Kolb hurt with rib contusion

[sportznutt]

Kevin Kolb exited Sunday night's Hall of Fame Game versus the Saints with what the Cardinals are initially calling a "rib contusion."

It was a worst-case preseason opener for the Cardinals' "favorite" to start at quarterback. Kolb reacted unnecessarily to pressure on his first dropback, sailing his throw to Saints FS Malcolm Jenkins on a pass intended for Andre Roberts. As color analyst Mike Mayock noted, Kolb simply lacks arm talent to consistently make power throws outside the numbers, and that was evident on the pick, in addition to Kolb's skittish tendencies. Kolb then went three-and-out on his second possession. On his third and final "drive," Kolb was buried and injured by Saints DT Sedrick Ellis. John Skelton took the reins from there.

rotoworld

 

[sportznutt]

I'll say it again......trade for Jake Locker.

 

[Dback Jon]

I'll say it again......trade for Jake Locker.

Why? As Skelton's backup?

 

[sportznutt]

No, to start.

I'm just not a fan of Skelton, although I can't deny his success, but I just think Locker is going to be a stud, and I'm more willing to build with him than Skelton.

 

[Darkside]

Kevin Kolb exited Sunday night's Hall of Fame Game versus the Saints with what the Cardinals are initially calling a "rib contusion."

It was a worst-case preseason opener for the Cardinals' "favorite" to start at quarterback. Kolb reacted unnecessarily to pressure on his first dropback, sailing his throw to Saints FS Malcolm Jenkins on a pass intended for Andre Roberts. As color analyst Mike Mayock noted, Kolb simply lacks arm talent to consistently make power throws outside the numbers, and that was evident on the pick, in addition to Kolb's skittish tendencies. Kolb then went three-and-out on his second possession. On his third and final "drive," Kolb was buried and injured by Saints DT Sedrick Ellis. John Skelton took the reins from there.

rotoworld

That pick had nothing to do with arm strength. It was a terrible read because the guy was cheating inside the whole time. Rotoworld is stupid. Anyone with that position would have intercepted it.

However, Kolb played horribly, worse than I could ever imagine any of our QB's playing. I was shocked at how poorly he played. Just shocked. He didn't do anything right--starting from the very beginning when he decided it would be a good idea, in a preseason game, to lead block for Howling. Just stupid stupid decision-making the whole time he was in.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'll say it again......trade for Jake Locker.

Why on earth would a team that plans on starting Locker trade with the Cards for a Kolb that can't start and stay healthy?

 

[Tyler]

No, to start.

I'm just not a fan of Skelton, although I can't deny his success, but I just think Locker is going to be a stud, and I'm more willing to build with him than Skelton.

Locker wasnt even a good qb in college. He is all hype.

 

[Dback Jon]

That pick had nothing to do with arm strength. It was a terrible read because the guy was cheating inside the whole time. Rotoworld is stupid. Anyone with that position would have intercepted it.

However, Kolb played horribly, worse than I could ever imagine any of our QB's playing. I was shocked at how poorly he played. Just shocked. He didn't do anything right--starting from the very beginning when he decided it would be a good idea, in a preseason game, to lead block for Howling. Just stupid stupid decision-making the whole time he was in.

They didn't say anything about arm strength - they said arm TALENT.

Your analysis is even more damning - saying that anyone could have picked off that ball, yet Kolb still threw it.

 

[Garthshort]

All hype or not he WON'T be traded and it's just silly to speculate.

 

[Chieftain]

Go with Skelton and develop Lindley or Bartel. Kolb is a black hole.

Kolb refuses to stay in the pocket, can't hit when he needs to, and he breaks easy.

Kolb is a wish that never has and will not ever become a fact with the Cardinals. At least not behind our present offensive line. A line I will not believe in until at the very least Levi Brown is gone. Brown is another black hole. The sad fact is that everyone in the league knows it too.

Go figure.

Fred

 

[Darkside]

They didn't say anything about arm strength - they said arm TALENT.

Your analysis is even more damning - saying that anyone could have picked off that ball, yet Kolb still threw it.

Absolutely (bolded). That throw was pathetic, it wasn't even a difficult read, wasn't even well disguised. It was a basic maneuver that happens every day in the NFL. I was disgusted by it.

(And thanks for the correction, not sure what I was reading)

 

[Reddog]

Time to pull the plug on the bad Kolb dream. Too fragil and just not meant to be.

 

[THESMEL]

I can't shake the feeling- Can't trust Whiz with the QB decision, He looked like he was disappointed that John Skelton was doing well. probably reading to much into it- buy it felt just like when Leinart did well against Whiz's willl? I'l have to go back and look at the expressions again on the recording.

 

[NJCardFan]

Figures that the Cards give up too much for a guy who was unproven when there were so many other options in last year's draft. I would rather have had Christian Ponder than Kolb.

 

[Duckjake]

Absolutely (bolded). That throw was pathetic, it wasn't even a difficult read, wasn't even well disguised. It was a basic maneuver that happens every day in the NFL. I was disgusted by it.

(And thanks for the correction, not sure what I was reading)

You really want to get sick to your stomach thinking about Kolb and the money and talent we gave up for him? Watch a replay of the first half of the Steelers game from last season. Some of the worst passes I've ever seen any QB throw. Hitting WRs in the back, throwing the ball right to defenders, missing wide open TEs. Throwing to WRs blanketed by DBs.

Kolb never was any good and he never will be. He's no different than all the QBs who played at Texas Tech.

People like to claim that Kolb is so much more accurate than Skelton conveniently forgetting the 3 game stretch vs Vikings, Steelers and Ravens when he barely completed half his passes.

 

[red desert]

You really want to get sick to your stomach thinking about Kolb and the money and talent we gave up for him? Watch a replay of the first half of the Steelers game from last season. Some of the worst passes I've ever seen any QB throw. Hitting WRs in the back, throwing the ball right to defenders, missing wide open TEs. Throwing to WRs blanketed by DBs.

Kolb never was any good and he never will be. He's no different than all the QBs who played at Texas Tech.

People like to claim that Kolb is so much more accurate than Skelton conveniently forgetting the 3 game stretch vs Vikings, Steelers and Ravens when he barely completed half his passes.

I believe Kolb went to U. of Houston.

 

[Russ Smith]

They didn't say anything about arm strength - they said arm TALENT.

Your analysis is even more damning - saying that anyone could have picked off that ball, yet Kolb still threw it.

They said power throws and the ball sailed, neither of which was true he simply made the wrong read and threw the ball right where the DB was going. Didn't matter how hard he threw it he threw it right where the defender was breaking.

 

[Duckjake]

I believe Kolb went to U. of Houston.

I know. My son was there at the same time. They ran a similar offense to what Tech does. Kolb was a system QB. Just like the Tech guys. Thus the reference.

 

[Darkside]

You really want to get sick to your stomach thinking about Kolb and the money and talent we gave up for him? Watch a replay of the first half of the Steelers game from last season. Some of the worst passes I've ever seen any QB throw. Hitting WRs in the back, throwing the ball right to defenders, missing wide open TEs. Throwing to WRs blanketed by DBs.

Kolb never was any good and he never will be. He's no different than all the QBs who played at Texas Tech.

People like to claim that Kolb is so much more accurate than Skelton conveniently forgetting the 3 game stretch vs Vikings, Steelers and Ravens when he barely completed half his passes.

Kolb is more accurate than Skelton though. Had a better completion percentage (and yes, those few points are huge over a whole season, since it's an average); had a better QB rating. I wanted Kolb, that's no secret, but I think even Kolb realists would acknowledge that his level of suck tonight is more than you ever imagined. It was epic suck.

I acknowledge that Skelton played way better than Kolb tonight. Levels and levels better. It's what I've been looking for in training camp. I kept saying I wanted someone to separate themselves and ya'll said I was crazy after a few training camps. Tonight Skelton did that.

I just want the best dude to win, and I think tonight we saw who that QB is going to be.

That being said, regarding accuracy. Kolb's pass to Roberts, which he totally should have been aware of, back shoulder throw on the sidelines. Skelton can never make that throw. He can't throw guys open. I want the best guy to win, and that looks like Skelton, but Skelton can't make those throws.

Kolb sucks yes, I was wrong about all that from the beginning. He looked tentative and apprehensive and his body language sucked the whole game. In a preseason game!! You can't have a QB looking like that in preseason, ever! Skelton looked like he wanted to take over this offense and lead it, and Kolb looked like he didn't even want to take the field. Period.

 

[AZ Native]

Why did we give the 7 mil in March? Because we had given up DRC and the 2nd round draft pick, that's why. I said then it was was throwing good money after bad, and it was. DRC and the draft pick are gone, whether we paid the 7 mil or not, they were gone! We got what we asked for, a QB who cannot stay healthy at all. I love Whis but I believe this is all on him.

 

[Duckjake]

Kolb is more accurate than Skelton though. Had a better completion percentage (and yes, those few points are huge over a whole season, since it's an average); had a better QB rating. I wanted Kolb, that's no secret, but I think even Kolb realists would acknowledge that his level of suck tonight is more than you ever imagined. It was epic suck.

I acknowledge that Skelton played way better than Kolb tonight. Levels and levels better. It's what I've been looking for in training camp. I kept saying I wanted someone to separate themselves and ya'll said I was crazy after a few training camps. Tonight Skelton did that.

I just want the best dude to win, and I think tonight we saw who that QB is going to be.

That being said, regarding accuracy. Kolb's pass to Roberts, which he totally should have been aware of, back shoulder throw on the sidelines. Skelton can never make that throw. He can't throw guys open. I want the best guy to win, and that looks like Skelton, but Skelton can't make those throws.

Kolb sucks yes, I was wrong about all that from the beginning. He looked tentative and apprehensive and his body language sucked the whole game. In a preseason game!! You can't have a QB looking like that in preseason, ever! Skelton looked like he wanted to take over this offense and lead it, and Kolb looked like he didn't even want to take the field. Period.

What good does a couple of points of better accuracy do when your QB is making horrific decisions and throwing the ball right to Defenders or hitting his WRs in the back with the football?

I really can't knock Kolb because I think its the coaching staff. We're into Whisenhunt QB #7 with Lindley, since 2010, and every one of them has had trouble throwing the football. Kolb's 57.7% last season is the highest of all seven!

It has to be a flaw in the offensive scheme or what CKW is telling his QB coaches to teach. Of course drafting a QB who couldn't complete 56% of his passes in college doesn't help much.

 

[Phrazbit]

What good does a couple of points of better accuracy do when your QB is making horrific decisions and throwing the ball right to Defenders or hitting his WRs in the back with the football?

I really can't knock Kolb because I think its the coaching staff. We're into Whisenhunt QB #7 with Lindley, since 2010, and every one of them has had trouble throwing the football. Kolb's 57.7% last season is the highest of all seven!

It has to be a flaw in the offensive scheme or what CKW is telling his QB coaches to teach. Of course drafting a QB who couldn't complete 56% of his passes in college doesn't help much.

I think the problem is the staff's choice in QBs. Its not like we are taking guys who other teams are salivating over. We're putting bad QBs into a complicated offense... and they typically look like garbage.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm not a Kolb fan but I could accept him if he were a better QB on the field than Skelton. I can't expect Kolb to stay healthy so even if his pass completion percentage is better than Skelton, it really doesn't matter. I will accept Skelton for what he can do, win and make big plays.

It seems the Cardinals are intent on making their investment in Kolb pay off when (IMO) it should be written off as a loss. I think Skeleton and Lindley should be 1 and 2 on the depth chart as of now so they can get more snaps to be game ready. If both fail, or things change, I'm not adverse to giving Kolb another chance or look elsewhere. I have no confidence in Bartel. However, Kolb looks so tentative out there I fear he may get seriously hurt.

 

[Darkside]

What good does a couple of points of better accuracy do when your QB is making horrific decisions and throwing the ball right to Defenders or hitting his WRs in the back with the football?

I really can't knock Kolb because I think its the coaching staff. We're into Whisenhunt QB #7 with Lindley, since 2010, and every one of them has had trouble throwing the football. Kolb's 57.7% last season is the highest of all seven!

It has to be a flaw in the offensive scheme or what CKW is telling his QB coaches to teach. Of course drafting a QB who couldn't complete 56% of his passes in college doesn't help much.

If I'm not mistaken, you've been saying Whiz can't evaluate QB's for years (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm starting to agree. They're really good IMO at evaluating LB's, CB'S, RB's (to some extent), but they suck so bad evaluating QB's and Oline. Kolb sucked tonight and the Oline just horribly sucked. Massie and Snyder sucked so hard, time and time again. They got worked time and again. So disheartening! Kolb, who they put all their money in, looked like a rook and even worse than most rooks.

I honestly think Kolb is done. I don't think you can have a performance like that in preseason and lead this team. They're professionals. They're men. You can't lead men after a performance like that.

 

[40yearfan]

If I'm not mistaken, you've been saying Whiz can't evaluate QB's for years (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm starting to agree. They're really good IMO at evaluating LB's, CB'S, RB's (to some extent), but they suck so bad evaluating QB's and Oline. Kolb sucked tonight and the Oline just horribly sucked. Massie and Snyder sucked so hard, time and time again. They got worked time and again. So disheartening! Kolb, who they put all their money in, looked like a rook and even worse than most rooks.

I honestly think Kolb is done. I don't think you can have a performance like that in preseason and lead this team. They're professionals. They're men. You can't lead men after a performance like that.

He might still be able to get his old job back as QB of the Pop Warner team he played on.