Kolb is scared

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I Had To Do It

 

[THESMEL]

now

Now do an experience cycle on Whiz - starting with keeping only 2 QB's as a rookie HC in 07 and getting tim R and Tim H off the couch during the season.

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[CtCardinals78]

But when he spoke others walked around him.

yeah they did. Right into the QB

 

[Cardiac]

I agree with Kolb. Don't question a guy's toughness. Talk about his play, but I think calling someone scared in childish.

Agree. Football like hockey weeds out the 'girly men' way before they reach the NFL or NHL. Question his decision making not his willingness to pay the price to make a play.

I do agree we need a better term than scared.

Jeff George was a gutless turd that went into fetal position or just threw the ball anywhere to avoid getting hit.

Kolb isn't afraid of getting hit because it my hurt. Dude could just throw the ball away and avoid the hits. His decision making is not good but he is out there fighting to make plays.

He has been hit numerous times during just this preseason with no signs of a concussion. On the sidelines from the TV shots I have seen he seems engaged and talking with the other QB's or Oline.

Kolb is at a crossroads and needs to keep his eyes down field and stop thinking that he can scramble like Vick.

 

[wembley88]

yeah they did. Right into the QB

Genius sir.

 

[cardpa]

Kolb's focus is not on his receivers and his progressions. Once he takes the snap he is looking at where pressure may come from instead of going through his progressions. That is why he bails so quick. He rolls out hoping to move away from the pressure and then starts looking down field which by that time all of the routes have been run and now its up to receivers to improvise to find open areas.

 

[Russ Smith]

My concern with him is not that he's afraid to take a hit, if he is he's nuts because he's getting hit more than most QB's right now. My concern is that he locks up when he feels pressure he either tries to run away from it or he just holds the ball, and as a result he's taking big hits.

Given his recent history and now losing Levi it's pretty easy to speculate if Kolb is the starting QB he'll continue to get hit and he'll get hurt.

 

[john h]

Like I said last night, he needs to do a Timm Rosenbach and just retire. That was a scary concussion he got last year. I appreciate the fact that he came back and tried hard. But, someone who cares about him needs to sit him down and give him a reality talk. That concussion has destroyed his confidence and nerve. If he continues playing, it will end very badly for his health at some points.

Get out while your brain isn't completely scrambled Kolb.

You have to wonder if Andy Reid knew about Kolb's problem all along? Did any of this not show up on film that must have been reviewed by the Cards before the trade or is this all a result of the big hit he got last year?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Well scared can be applied in different ways.

It's obvious that by being under center he is not scared to be there.

Once the ball is hiked, it's a whole other ballgame.

So really both are right, but are talking about different things. Kolb isn't scared to be there. Kelly is right to call Kolb scared during the plays.

Kolb keeps taking the punishment, and while he might leave a game, or gets concussions that make him have to sit for a long time. He wants to get back out there at some point. So he isn't scared in that sense. He's not a kid afraid of a bully.

But again while the play is happening, he plays scared. Anything goes wrong, and he bails. Runs into sacks. Runs into bad passes. Takes safeties. Takes his low eye level and looks even lower.

What Kelly said was pretty concise. If he's looking at the defenders and/or refs, he cannot be throwing to receivers.

We've even seen times where he just senses pressure from the backside that doesn't exist and suddenly he bails. Skittish is probably a better word for it. Uncertain.

NFL network and Kurt Warner amongst others just did a section on it and Kelly's comments.

The dreaded 'eye in the sky never lies' was brought out by the guy sitting next to Warner.

Warner said amongst the things we've been saying or others have been that it looks like Kolb doesn't know what he should be doing, or where to throw it. Uncertain. That CKW is looking for a reason to start someone but Kolb isn't giving him a reason to. Skelton is and seems to have the locker room somewhat.

They did a couple minutes on it. Here's some pics on NFL.com of Kolb under duress. One eyes open but looking for what probably is a rb. The other two he's getting hit and closing his eyes.

http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d82b2c565/09000d5d82b2f136

http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d82b2c565/09000d5d82b2f110

http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d82b2c565/09000d5d82b2f61c

Absolutely correct on all accounts. While he said it ineloquently, Kelly was extremely observant of why Kolb (at least this version of Kolb) will never be successful in the NFL.

He is the equivalent of a war vet that's shell shocked, and can no longer perform his duties adequately. I'm surprised people aren't giving Kelly more credit for what he said.

It was scathing, but so dead on and accurate about why Kolb is just damaged goods at this point.

 

[Russ Smith]

Absolutely correct on all accounts. While he said it ineloquently, Kelly was extremely observant of why Kolb (at least this version of Kolb) will never be successful in the NFL.

He is the equivalent of a war vet that's shell shocked, and can no longer perform his duties adequately. I'm surprised people aren't giving Kelly more credit for what he said.

It was scathing, but so dead on and accurate about why Kolb is just damaged goods at this point.

The other thing is people are acting like Kelly grabbed the mike at the press conference and said that.

During the game the raiders sideline reporter said after the safety Kelly came off the field saying that dude is scared. Even 5 years ago that would have been it but today that stuff gets out fast. By the end of the game it was on rotoworld and other sites.

So naturally reporters asked him about it after the game and he answered them, he didn't just grab the mike and say let me rip on Kevin Kolb. His initial comments were supposed to be to his team, but the sideline reporter heard it and it went viral after that.

At that point what is he going to do deny he said it?

He probably should have just said that stuff stays between the sidelines but he didn't.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The other thing is people are acting like Kelly grabbed the mike at the press conference and said that.

During the game the raiders sideline reporter said after the safety Kelly came off the field saying that dude is scared. Even 5 years ago that would have been it but today that stuff gets out fast. By the end of the game it was on rotoworld and other sites.

So naturally reporters asked him about it after the game and he answered them, he didn't just grab the mike and say let me rip on Kevin Kolb. His initial comments were supposed to be to his team, but the sideline reporter heard it and it went viral after that.

At that point what is he going to do deny he said it?

He probably should have just said that stuff stays between the sidelines but he didn't.

True. So many of these players and their real thoughts have been completely neutered due to the 24 hour a day news cycle.

Instead of interesting discussions about tactics and strategy, ESPN and it's followers have morphed sports coverage into TMZ to appeal to the lowest common denominator, which is why most athletes are so reticent to say anything interesting. For them, it's just not worth the headache.

That's why it was so surprising and interesting that Kelly expounded on his earlier comments. (Although he probably felt forced into them because of what he said during the game)

Kelly explained very succinctly why Kevin Kolb is not a successful NFL qb, and that the secret is out, with all the league in on it.

There were plenty of people here who optimistically thought that a full offseason/training camp would show the real KK, and that he would be a totally different QB. Sadly, Kelly is completely correct in his criticisms, and Kolb could take 1,000 more reps, and know the playbook inside out, and it just doesn't matter.

Skelton will undoubtedly be starting week one.

 

[desertdawg]

True. So many of these players and their real thoughts have been completely neutered due to the 24 hour a day news cycle.

Instead of interesting discussions about tactics and strategy, ESPN and it's followers have morphed sports coverage into TMZ to appeal to the lowest common denominator, which is why most athletes are so reticent to say anything interesting. For them, it's just not worth the headache.

That's why it was so surprising and interesting that Kelly expounded on his earlier comments. (Although he probably felt forced into them because of what he said during the game)

Kelly explained very succinctly why Kevin Kolb is not a successful NFL qb, and that the secret is out, with all the league in on it.

There were plenty of people here who optimistically thought that a full offseason/training camp would show the real KK, and that he would be a totally different QB. Sadly, Kelly is completely correct in his criticisms, and Kolb could take 1,000 more reps, and know the playbook inside out, and it just doesn't matter.

Skelton will undoubtedly be starting week one.

You undoubtedly know more than I do.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You undoubtedly know more than I do.

Took you this long to figure it out?

 

[BigRedRage]

You undoubtedly know more than I do.

Writing is all over the wall

 

[AzStevenCal]

True. So many of these players and their real thoughts have been completely neutered due to the 24 hour a day news cycle.

Instead of interesting discussions about tactics and strategy, ESPN and it's followers have morphed sports coverage into TMZ to appeal to the lowest common denominator, which is why most athletes are so reticent to say anything interesting. For them, it's just not worth the headache.

That's why it was so surprising and interesting that Kelly expounded on his earlier comments. (Although he probably felt forced into them because of what he said during the game)

Kelly explained very succinctly why Kevin Kolb is not a successful NFL qb, and that the secret is out, with all the league in on it.

There were plenty of people here who optimistically thought that a full offseason/training camp would show the real KK, and that he would be a totally different QB. Sadly, Kelly is completely correct in his criticisms, and Kolb could take 1,000 more reps, and know the playbook inside out, and it just doesn't matter.

Skelton will undoubtedly be starting week one.

I agree and I think the fact that it's probably common knowledge amongst the players is what prompted his sideline comment in the first place and it's also why the rest of the Cardinals have remained so quiet about it. Despite how damning it was, it never really came across like the typical trash talking.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

You have to wonder if Andy Reid knew about Kolb's problem all along? Did any of this not show up on film that must have been reviewed by the Cards before the trade or is this all a result of the big hit he got last year?

Its not new. One of the knocks on him from scouts before we ever traded for him was that he has a "low eye level", he was paying more attention to the rush than his routes.

I think the Cards saw what they wanted to see and ignored the red flags because they were desperate.

 

[ajcardfan]

Skelton will undoubtedly be starting week one.

You'd think so.

But let's remember at the same point in the preseason two years ago, that's what most everybody was saying about Matt Leinart v Derek Anderson.

 

[Shane]

You'd think so.

But let's remember at the same point in the preseason two years ago, that's what most everybody was saying about Matt Leinart v Derek Anderson.

I dont recall that. I recall at this point in the PS that year Leinart being in a childish pissing contest with Whiz over his PT and running to the media??

 

[THESMEL]

bless you

some have holes in their Levi's?

But the truest of all points is Kevin Kolb spent lfe as an Eagle in the West coast offense. Whiz brought him in here with no offseason and put him in this offense- trying to teach him 3-5-7 step dropbacks, pocket QBing? multiple reads with little to no emphasis on the run game.

Whatever success Kolb had- to earn the value of DRC and a 2nd round and a huge contract- was left in the West Coast offense in Philly. Again He stood up as 4 Raiders steamrolled him into the pavement - like the Coyote trying to catch the roadrunner! Beep Beep!

I have yet to see a QB besides Kurt Hold up in this offense-and He was streaky- from 5 turnovers to 5 TD's any given Sunday- This looks more like the old Raiders offense than anything else- Packers seem to pull it off with Rodgers? but few can.

Whiz has the Cart before the horse- If You are going to sale the Farm for Kolb- you best bet is to change to the offense he was developed to run????

I do agree we need a better term than scared.

Jeff George was a gutless turd that went into fetal position or just threw the ball anywhere to avoid getting hit.

Kolb isn't afraid of getting hit because it my hurt. Dude could just throw the ball away and avoid the hits. His decision making is not good but he is out there fighting to make plays.

He has been hit numerous times during just this preseason with no signs of a concussion. On the sidelines from the TV shots I have seen he seems engaged and talking with the other QB's or Oline.

Kolb is at a crossroads and needs to keep his eyes down field and stop thinking that he can scramble like Vick.

 

[Mulli]

I'm sorry, but is this new news? We have been saying skittish and scared to describe Kolb for a year now

Bills sign Kolb. Patriots sign Tommy Kelly.. Woohoo!

 

[john h]

rotoworld

With his history of concussions he has every right to be scared. His problem is he wants the big money also. I am sure glad he is gone.