Kolb Won The Starting Job Tonite

[Shane]

What don't you understand about me saying can't force something there? I stated facts as King did fall down and Skelton tried to force something that wasn't there. No excuses.

When you say King fell down you are making excuses. His throw was awful pure and simple.

 

[PJ1]

When you say King fell down you are making excuses. His throw was awful pure and simple.

So King didn't fall down and Skelton didn't force a pass he shouldn't have?

 

[Shane]

So King didn't fall down and Skelton didn't force a pass he shouldn't have?

King falling down is irrelevant. Its your attempt to lighten it up for Skelton that much is clear. Did it happen? yes. But Skeltons throw was horrible and really the only thing relevant.

Oh and reference this: "Funny the Kolb backers will cut him slack because of our OL which I believe is justified. However Skelton doesn't get the same consideration when he plays poorly."

That goes both ways. The Skelton Jockers cetainly werent giving Kolb a pass when he had ZERO time in the pocket. All you heard was "hot read" or "he should have been able to get rid of it" etc...

 

[ajcardfan]

Kevin Skelton or John Kolb......

arguing which one should be the starting QB is like arguing which three-legged mule gives you the best chance at winning the Kentucky Derby.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Adding to AZCARDSWINs' point....

What was said by Dilfer last night, and I tend to agree with, is that our D, which has the potential to be very good, was on the field way too long last night. We all know that it takes alot more energy to play D than O. It may not be pretty, or exciting, enough for us, like what we saw in the Warner days...but, pound the rock. If nothing else it gives our D more time to rest.

Until we have a credible line nothing but frustration is going to come from the passing game.

Mark in SC

P.S. Bone-headed int.'s, which create short fields, also screw everything up!

 

[PJ1]

King falling down is irrelevant. Its your attempt to lighten it up for Skelton that much is clear. Did it happen? yes. But Skeltons throw was horrible and really the only thing relevant.

Oh and reference this: "Funny the Kolb backers will cut him slack because of our OL which I believe is justified. However Skelton doesn't get the same consideration when he plays poorly."

That goes both ways. The Skelton Jockers cetainly werent giving Kolb a pass when he had ZERO time in the pocket. All you heard was "hot read" or "he should have been able to get rid of it" etc...

I am making observations and really don't have a favorite at all. Actually was hoping like hell it would be Kolb that starts and continue to develop Skelton and now Lindley whom I like alot.

Fact is with our OL Skelton will hold up better even with his poor decisions which continue to hold him back. His pick was a poor decision.

At this point I still start Skelton. Not happily but our choices are obviously limited.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Kevin Skelton or John Kolb......

arguing which one should be the starting QB is like arguing which three-legged mule gives you the best chance at winning the Kentucky Derby.

Agreed. I think gimpy has a leg up on tripod but really it's any mule's race.

Steve

 

[Shane]

Kevin Skelton or John Kolb......

I dont care what anyone says aj! That is the best thing I have seen regarding these two all off season. Pretty much calling them that just nails it right on the head.

It really doesnt matter who..... Good stuff!

 

[Shane]

I am making observations and really don't have a favorite at all. Actually was hoping like hell it would be Kolb that starts and continue to develop Skelton and now Lindley whon I like alot.

Fact is with our OL Skelton will hold up better even with his poor decisions which continue to hold him back. His pick was a poor decision.

At this point I still start Skelton. Not happily but our choices are obviously limited.

I would start Skelton as well.

 

[Phrazbit]

That's what many were saying about Skelton last week.

The mistake Skelton made last week was he didnt sandwich his 2 minute drill scoring drive in between 2 god awful interceptions. Clearly that would have officially won him the job in the eyes of many.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The mistake Skelton made last week was he didnt sandwich his 2 minute drill scoring drive in between 2 god awful interceptions. Clearly that would have officially won him the job in the eyes of many.

LOL. I think the real mistake Skelton made was showing up at all once he learned Young was starting. Our QB's have had to play behind a fairly porous Oline for some time now but the protection John received yesterday was unsurvivable.

Steve

 

[Shane]

the protection John received yesterday was unsurvivable.

Steve

Could say the exact same for Kolb in his earlier appearances. Even though the personnel was supposedly "better"

 

[AzStevenCal]

Could say the exact same for Kolb in his earlier appearances. Even though the personnel was supposedly "better"

C'mon Shane, there was no comparison. Kolb has not had sufficient protection, neither has Skelton. What happened at the start of last night's game though was on a whole different order.

Steve

 

[Shane]

C'mon Shane, there was no comparison. Kolb has not had sufficient protection, neither has Skelton. What happened at the start of last night's game though was on a whole different order.

Steve

No it wasn't. Kolb was swamped with extreme pressure. It had been commented on by everyone. Including Whiz himself who stated he cant figure out why Skelton was receiving the obvious better protection. There were conspiracy theorists around here making it sound as though it was because the players hated Kolb etc.. It was bad. Go rewatch if you must.

 

[AzStevenCal]

No it wasn't. Kolb was swamped with extreme pressure. It had been commented on by everyone. Including Whiz himself who stated he cant figure out why Skelton was receiving the obvious better protection. There were conspiracy theorists around here making it sound as though it was because the players hated Kolb etc.. It was bad. Go rewatch if you must.

I watched the Oakland game 3 times and the Titans game once. Kolb (and Skelton) had a lot more time in the Oakland game than John did against Tennessee. It really wasn't close. Against the Raiders, Kolb was under heavy rush almost every play but more often than not he had enough time to at least get rid of the ball. Skelton had no protection last night. The scary part is that we won't know for awhile whether it was because we solidified the OL by taking out Young or if it was simply because the Titans dialed back on the rush.

Neither of these guys have been given enough protection but Kolb has contributed to the protection problems. In that area, if nowhere else, Skelton has been the clear winner.

Steve

 

[Shane]

I watched the Oakland game 3 times and the Titans game once. Kolb (and Skelton) had a lot more time in the Oakland game than John did against Tennessee. It really wasn't close. Against the Raiders, Kolb was under heavy rush almost every play but more often than not he had enough time to at least get rid of the ball. Skelton had no protection last night. The scary part is that we won't know for awhile whether it was because we solidified the OL by taking out Young or if it was simply because the Titans dialed back on the rush.

Neither of these guys have been given enough protection but Kolb has contributed to the protection problems. In that area, if nowhere else, Skelton has been the clear winner.

Steve

I think your ticker is broken with bias

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think your ticker is broken with bias

That's not me in the mirror Shane! Seriously, I have no bias on this. I'd love to see Kolb become the guy we traded for and I'd love to see Skelton develop into an NFL caliber QB. I don't expect either of these things to occur. I'm pretty disappointed by both of these guys.

Steve

 

[Shane]

That's not me in the mirror Shane! Seriously, I have no bias on this. I'd love to see Kolb become the guy we traded for and I'd love to see Skelton develop into an NFL caliber QB. I don't expect either of these things to occur. I'm pretty disappointed by both of these guys.

Steve

Amen to that!

 

[Phrazbit]

No it wasn't. Kolb was swamped with extreme pressure. It had been commented on by everyone. Including Whiz himself who stated he cant figure out why Skelton was receiving the obvious better protection. There were conspiracy theorists around here making it sound as though it was because the players hated Kolb etc.. It was bad. Go rewatch if you must.

The line has a harder time blocking for Kolb because they never know where he is going to go.

The blocking in earlier games was with the same personel groups, while last night Skelton was cursed with DJ Young "olaying" everyone right past him. Kolb had one drive with Young still on the field... and put up negative 11 yards.

 

[JeffGollin]

It's amazing how much better a QB looks when he has just a modicum of extra time in the pocket to let things settle down.

All it took was Batiste to replace Young, and suddenly Kolb looked like he knew what he was doing.

Skelton had to face the jailbreak created by Young and had no time to make right choices.

Result - This week's Skelton resembled last week's Kolb - and vice versa.

All because of a change at LT.

That said, Kolb now has the edge because the coaches now know what he can do behind a Batiste line. Because Skelton never had that opportunity, he'll have to be considered a questionmark until he gets the chance to operate without Young out there to undermine him.

Within that context, time is running out. A decision has to be made soon, and right now, Kolb is the more proven entity operating behind the Revamped line.

(Personally, though, I still like Skelton better, but concede that Kolb has the slight edge now in the competition).

 

[D-Dogg]

Skelton lost the job last night. He had a chance to grab the brass ring, and instead he failed to move the chains and just looked lost.

Kolb made two of the most incredibly dumb plays he could have made, but he also moved the chains and made some things happen. Most important, he didn't panick like usual.

Skelton could have had more passes if he'd moved the chains, and I heard somewhere they both had a similar number of series.

IMO, Skelton could have won the job last night if he had played well and it was his to lose. But he looked lost and as bad as Kolb has previously.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

. I feel for Fitz...If he is feeling hopeless.

Did you watch Fitz on the sidelines at the end of the game? There was one shot of him with a camera and one shot of him talking to a photographer and pointing.

We were in the red zone at that point. I'm convinced Fitz was pointing out his teammates and asking the photographer to get the shot.

He is 100% on board with this team. He was cheering right up to the end and you could see him trying to will a touchdown.

I don't get this "Fitz feels this" and "Fitz feels that". I think he's a grown up man who re-signed with this team for a reason. He wants to be a part of bringing it back to the SuperBowl.

(Does this mean I have to drink my kool-aid and go sit down now?)

 

[Duckjake]

The mistake Skelton made last week was he didnt sandwich his 2 minute drill scoring drive in between 2 god awful interceptions. Clearly that would have officially won him the job in the eyes of many.

It doesn't matter. Both guys are terrible and our offensive line is worse than terrible. It's going to be a long season for us Cardinal fans.

 

[Darkside]

It doesn't matter. Both guys are terrible and our offensive line is worse than terrible. It's going to be a long season for us Cardinal fans.

I totally agree. I've withdrawn from the Skelton/Kolb debate because I now find it almost irrelevant, based on our Oline. We need to run, and run a LOT with all 3 backs (Powell, Beanie, Williams) and play good defense just to have a chance of winning games. That won't happen, but we don't have a chance if dudes are going to throw 30+ times a game.

 

[crisper57]

I totally agree. I've withdrawn from the Skelton/Kolb debate because I now find it almost irrelevant, based on our Oline. We need to run, and run a LOT with all 3 backs (Powell, Beanie, Williams) and play good defense just to have a chance of winning games. That won't happen, but we don't have a chance if dudes are going to throw 30+ times a game.

Bring back the wishbone!!!!