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man, what is it about you and the Jews.
"Kramer's" racist rant
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man, what is it about you and the Jews.
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no - Mel just blamed the Jews for everything wrong the world. But yeah, I guess that's not really that bad...
yeesh - neither what Richards said or what Gibson said is anything less or more than the other, they're both completely disgusting. Trying to minimize one over the other would be a head scratcher to me if I didn't already know your previous thoughts on the Jewish people.
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Throw the Jew down the well!
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Fallon has said he was a Yankee fan, then a Mets fan, and now he's kind of a Red Sox fan, but he likes all three!! Believe me RS fans don't claim him!
Ouch...worst pic of SS I've ever seen. Holy crap..I usually think she is hot, but she looks like Zach Braff right there.
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YIKES!
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Divide Et Impera
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I dunno, bro. I dig that pick. There is just something so curious about the placement of her hand....
This one's kinda hot in a retro kinda way:
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Au naturale:
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Thanks man...those ones took Zach Braff comparisons away. Whew!
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that song/clip is absolutely hilarious!
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I saw the clip. Its pretty bad. But to me he went off on an obviously ill thought out, over the top attempt at silencing his hecklers, and then couldnt back off once he got going. It was a pretty disgusting display, and I do have a serious problem with the word, even when blacks use it from a standpoint of power (as may well be their right, its just my feelings) but for everyone to go so totally out of control over it? Eh. I will tell you giving Silverman a pass on the ethnic jokes just cause she happens to be Jewish is a lame excuse. She calls Mexicans smelly and has a bit (albeit hilarious) about a former black boyfriend thats totally racist, but I guess maybe because its in the context of her act its ok? Richards went too far, but the freak out didnt look to me like a guy with a bone to pick with black people, it looked to me like a comedian taking a horribly wrong turn. And dont call me an apologist. Ill go back to not giving a damn about Michael Richards now, the same as before this happened.
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/20/richards.epithets.ap/index.html
'Kramer' apologizes for racist tirade
POSTED: 9:49 p.m. EST, November 20, 2006
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Michael Richards said Monday he spewed racial epithets during a stand-up comedy routine because he lost his cool while being heckled and not because he's a bigot.
"For me to be at a comedy club and flip out and say this crap, I'm deeply, deeply sorry," the former "Seinfeld" co-star said during a satellite appearance for David Letterman's "Late Show."
"I'm not a racist. That's what's so insane about this," Richards said, his tone becoming angry and frustrated as he defended himself in a clip from the show played on CBS before "Late Show" aired Monday night.
Richards described himself as going into "a rage" over the two audience members who interrupted his act Friday at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood. Richards responded to the black hecklers with repeated use of the "n word" and profanities.
Jerry Seinfeld, who had issued a statement saying he was "sick over this horrible, horrible mistake" and calling it offensive, was scheduled as a Letterman guest Monday. He encouraged Richards to make a satellite appearance to talk about the incident, a CBS publicist said.
"I'm sure Michael is also sick over this horrible, horrible mistake. It is so extremely offensive. I feel terrible for all the people who have been hurt," Seinfeld said in a statement.
Richards, 57, who played Seinfeld's eccentric neighbor Kramer on the hit 1989-98 sitcom and whose major credit since was a failed 2000 comedy, hadn't spoken publicly about his remarks before the "Late Show." Calls to his representatives were not returned Monday.
A video posted on TMZ.com shows Richards launching into the tirade after two black audience members started shouting at him that he wasn't funny.(Watch Michael Richards spew racial epithets to the audience at the Laugh Factory )
Richards retorts: "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--."
He then paces across the stage taunting the men for interrupting his show, peppering his speech with racial slurs and profanities.
"You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now mother------. Throw his a-- out. He's a n-----!" Richards shouts before repeating the racial epithet over and over again.(Watch Harvey Levin of TMZ.com talk about the incident )
While there is some chuckling in the audience throughout the outburst, someone can be heard gasping "Oh my God" and various people "ooh" after Richards uses the n-word.
Eventually someone says: "It's not funny. That's why you're a reject, never had no shows, never had no movies. `Seinfeld,' that's it."
On Monday, about a half-dozen community activists gathered at the club to denounce Richards' remarks and demand an apology.
"These kind of comments hurt all of us," said protester Lita Sister Herron of the Youth Advocacy Coalition. She called Richards' comments "hate speech."
The protesters also demanded an apology from the Laugh Factory. At a news conference a short time later, club owner Jamie Masada expressed remorse and said Richards will not be back at the club until he says he's sorry.
"This is one thing we don't tolerate. ... I personally apologize. I apologize from my heart," Masada said Monday.
Richards did appear at the club Saturday, without incident, but that was because he had told the club he intended to apologize, according to a Laugh Factory statement Monday.
Calls to Richards' representatives were not returned Monday.
He refused to comment on-camera when reached by CNN, but the network reported he said off-camera he felt sorry for what had happened and had made amends.
Comic Paul Rodriguez, who was at the club, said he thought Richards' remarks crossed the line.
"Once the word comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining," he said. "Freedom of speech has its limitations and I think Michael Richards found those limitations."
Rodriguez, also at the news conference, said: "I kept expecting a punch line. It didn't come."
Veteran publicist Michael Levine, whose clients have included famed comedians George Carlin, Sam Kinison and Rodney Dangerfield, called Richards' remarks inexcusable. Comics often face hecklers without losing their cool, he said.
"It's never seen anything like this is my life," Levine said Monday. "I think it's a career ruiner for him. ... It's going to be a long road back for him, if at all."
Daryl Pitts, a Laugh Factory audience member interviewed by CNN, compared the incident to another recent celebrity controversy.
"You think about Mel Gibson and what he said, and put that in the context of this, it's very upsetting," Pitts said, referring to Gibson's anti-Semitic outburst during his arrest for drunken driving.
Scrutiny of Richards' remarks likely will continue but won't match the level prompted by Gibson's behavior because Richards is far less famous, Levine said.
Comedian George Lopez told Los Angeles television station KTLA he thought Richards' lack of stand-up experience may have been a factor.
"You have an actor who is trying to be a comedian who doesn't know what to do when an audience is disruptive," Lopez said. "He's an actor whose show has been off the air, he shouldn't ever be on a stand-up gig."
'Kramer' apologizes for racist tirade
POSTED: 9:49 p.m. EST, November 20, 2006
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Michael Richards said Monday he spewed racial epithets during a stand-up comedy routine because he lost his cool while being heckled and not because he's a bigot.
"For me to be at a comedy club and flip out and say this crap, I'm deeply, deeply sorry," the former "Seinfeld" co-star said during a satellite appearance for David Letterman's "Late Show."
"I'm not a racist. That's what's so insane about this," Richards said, his tone becoming angry and frustrated as he defended himself in a clip from the show played on CBS before "Late Show" aired Monday night.
Richards described himself as going into "a rage" over the two audience members who interrupted his act Friday at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood. Richards responded to the black hecklers with repeated use of the "n word" and profanities.
Jerry Seinfeld, who had issued a statement saying he was "sick over this horrible, horrible mistake" and calling it offensive, was scheduled as a Letterman guest Monday. He encouraged Richards to make a satellite appearance to talk about the incident, a CBS publicist said.
"I'm sure Michael is also sick over this horrible, horrible mistake. It is so extremely offensive. I feel terrible for all the people who have been hurt," Seinfeld said in a statement.
Richards, 57, who played Seinfeld's eccentric neighbor Kramer on the hit 1989-98 sitcom and whose major credit since was a failed 2000 comedy, hadn't spoken publicly about his remarks before the "Late Show." Calls to his representatives were not returned Monday.
A video posted on TMZ.com shows Richards launching into the tirade after two black audience members started shouting at him that he wasn't funny.(Watch Michael Richards spew racial epithets to the audience at the Laugh Factory )
Richards retorts: "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f------ fork up your a--."
He then paces across the stage taunting the men for interrupting his show, peppering his speech with racial slurs and profanities.
"You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now mother------. Throw his a-- out. He's a n-----!" Richards shouts before repeating the racial epithet over and over again.(Watch Harvey Levin of TMZ.com talk about the incident )
While there is some chuckling in the audience throughout the outburst, someone can be heard gasping "Oh my God" and various people "ooh" after Richards uses the n-word.
Eventually someone says: "It's not funny. That's why you're a reject, never had no shows, never had no movies. `Seinfeld,' that's it."
On Monday, about a half-dozen community activists gathered at the club to denounce Richards' remarks and demand an apology.
"These kind of comments hurt all of us," said protester Lita Sister Herron of the Youth Advocacy Coalition. She called Richards' comments "hate speech."
The protesters also demanded an apology from the Laugh Factory. At a news conference a short time later, club owner Jamie Masada expressed remorse and said Richards will not be back at the club until he says he's sorry.
"This is one thing we don't tolerate. ... I personally apologize. I apologize from my heart," Masada said Monday.
Richards did appear at the club Saturday, without incident, but that was because he had told the club he intended to apologize, according to a Laugh Factory statement Monday.
Calls to Richards' representatives were not returned Monday.
He refused to comment on-camera when reached by CNN, but the network reported he said off-camera he felt sorry for what had happened and had made amends.
Comic Paul Rodriguez, who was at the club, said he thought Richards' remarks crossed the line.
"Once the word comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining," he said. "Freedom of speech has its limitations and I think Michael Richards found those limitations."
Rodriguez, also at the news conference, said: "I kept expecting a punch line. It didn't come."
Veteran publicist Michael Levine, whose clients have included famed comedians George Carlin, Sam Kinison and Rodney Dangerfield, called Richards' remarks inexcusable. Comics often face hecklers without losing their cool, he said.
"It's never seen anything like this is my life," Levine said Monday. "I think it's a career ruiner for him. ... It's going to be a long road back for him, if at all."
Daryl Pitts, a Laugh Factory audience member interviewed by CNN, compared the incident to another recent celebrity controversy.
"You think about Mel Gibson and what he said, and put that in the context of this, it's very upsetting," Pitts said, referring to Gibson's anti-Semitic outburst during his arrest for drunken driving.
Scrutiny of Richards' remarks likely will continue but won't match the level prompted by Gibson's behavior because Richards is far less famous, Levine said.
Comedian George Lopez told Los Angeles television station KTLA he thought Richards' lack of stand-up experience may have been a factor.
"You have an actor who is trying to be a comedian who doesn't know what to do when an audience is disruptive," Lopez said. "He's an actor whose show has been off the air, he shouldn't ever be on a stand-up gig."
Divide Et Impera
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Yep. I don't care HOW angry I got--that word would NEVER come out of my mouth--ever.
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I don't even mind THAT word so much. This is the quote that gets me.
"Richards retorted: "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a [expletive] fork up your [expletive]."
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Another thing - when I was listening to KTAR yesterday, some of what these apologists were saying made sense. They all basically excused Kramer's outburst as an unfortunate gaffe, but they all also alluded to latent racism, which I think is very much the case here. Do I think that Kramer acted in his everyday life as a racist? Absolutely not. Does this outburst reveal long-suppressed racial rage? I think so. People sometimes have their animosities, but the majority of people recognize that as wrong and they rightly suppress it and avoid expressing it.
I do not buy the argument that Kramer would have attacked the hecklers on other grounds if they weren't black. One caller mentioned that he believes that Kramer would have responded in kind to a fat person, for example. I do not think that Kramer has latent animosity against fat people, but I don't know him. If the hecklers were fat, I'm sure his response would have been something to the effect of, "Shut the f*ck up. I'm doing a show here. Be quiet or leave, you motherf*cker." I think that is what his outburst would have sounded like if the hecklers were non-black, but this is obviously pure speculation. The fact that the hecklers were black just caused that latent racism to boil over.
I wish AZZ was here. I think she could impart more to this than I can....
Another thing - when I was listening to KTAR yesterday, some of what these apologists were saying made sense. They all basically excused Kramer's outburst as an unfortunate gaffe, but they all also alluded to latent racism, which I think is very much the case here. Do I think that Kramer acted in his everyday life as a racist? Absolutely not. Does this outburst reveal long-suppressed racial rage? I think so. People sometimes have their animosities, but the majority of people recognize that as wrong and they rightly suppress it and avoid expressing it.
I do not buy the argument that Kramer would have attacked the hecklers on other grounds if they weren't black. One caller mentioned that he believes that Kramer would have responded in kind to a fat person, for example. I do not think that Kramer has latent animosity against fat people, but I don't know him. If the hecklers were fat, I'm sure his response would have been something to the effect of, "Shut the f*ck up. I'm doing a show here. Be quiet or leave, you motherf*cker." I think that is what his outburst would have sounded like if the hecklers were non-black, but this is obviously pure speculation. The fact that the hecklers were black just caused that latent racism to boil over.
I wish AZZ was here. I think she could impart more to this than I can....
Naw, I'm pretty sure he would have called fat people fat too..."waddle out of here you fat MFers, oh, you talk and talk but I don't know how when you stuff so much food in your mouth to gag a whale..."
Yeah, he would have gone that route. The guy simply lost his mind.
Yeah, he would have gone that route. The guy simply lost his mind.
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Like I said, pure speculation on my part, but for him to have done what you say you think he would have done, I think he would have to have at least a latent, even overt, disgust for fat people, which is possible for people to hold, but moreso in overly fitness oriented people with some type of body image issue....
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dreamcast:
Another thing - when I was listening to KTAR yesterday, some of what these apologists were saying made sense. They all basically excused Kramer's outburst as an unfortunate gaffe, but they all also alluded to latent racism, which I think is very much the case here. Do I think that Kramer acted in his everyday life as a racist? Absolutely not. Does this outburst reveal long-suppressed racial rage? I think so. People sometimes have their animosities, but the majority of people recognize that as wrong and they rightly suppress it and avoid expressing it.
I do not buy the argument that Kramer would have attacked the hecklers on other grounds if they weren't black. One caller mentioned that he believes that Kramer would have responded in kind to a fat person, for example. I do not think that Kramer has latent animosity against fat people, but I don't know him. If the hecklers were fat, I'm sure his response would have been something to the effect of, "Shut the f*ck up. I'm doing a show here. Be quiet or leave, you motherf*cker." I think that is what his outburst would have sounded like if the hecklers were non-black, but this is obviously pure speculation. The fact that the hecklers were black just caused that latent racism to boil over.
I wish AZZ was here. I think she could impart more to this than I can....
I also listened to it (between 3:00 and 3:30) and I was pretty much flabbergasted. I couldn't believe that most of the callers were giving him a free pass. I thought that this was worse than the Gibson tirade.
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That's when I was listening! I wanted to call in myself, but I didn't know the number and they didn't announce it while I was listening. Did you hear caller after caller essentially complain that black people call each other the n-word, but they as white people can't? It's like all these people called up mad that they are not allowed to use the term! That's exactly what I mean when I talk about latent racism, yet I don't think these folks realized it even still. The host did his best to try to explain the ridiculousness of their gripes and the great pull of history on that word....
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I was so upset yesterday, I couldn't even watch Seinfeld. As a comedian, I understand that hecklers are a pain in the a**! I have seen a few friends of mine who are seasoned comics damn near lose it because of them. You just can't go there. Even though the hecklers were probably deserving of some heat, you just can't drop the n bomb. He effed up his whole image in one fell swoop. Instead of lovable, goofy Kramer, he's now Michael Richards, racist comedian.
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That's Mr. Riff-Raff to you!
He should have stolen some material from George Carlin. I've seen Carlin three times, and no one handles hecklers better than George!
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Personally it does bother me when African Americans drop the N bomb. Not because I want to use the word myself, but because it's become an agressive and polarizing act for anyone to drop that bomb no matter their race.
I don't really get it, if a word is so bothersome to someone, how can they justify using it themselves?
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I don't think anyone can answer that question. I don't think anyone can. The closest thing I can think of is that it is their common experience and it is really recent history. Maybe it is a way of satirizing their experience. I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily approve of its use, but I also don't think it's my place to say. What I would ask is. "What does black people calling each other the n-word have to do with you or me?" The answer is "Nothing". If you feel the word is wrong, then you don't use it. What everyone else does with it brings about their own consequences....
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Yeah, I guess so. It's just rather taunting and disrespectful to others. But I guess we just chalk it up as one of the odd realities of the current world.
