"Kramer's" racist rant

[D-Dogg]

Instead of lovable, goofy Kramer, he's now Michael Richards, racist comedian.

From what I've heard, you are using the word "comedian" pretty loosely. He's an actor/comedian, not the other way around. In other words, I've heard his standup sucks out loud.

I meant to ask you when you were down here...how's the standup going?

 

[Rivercard]

I was surprised how old Michael Richards looks. He's not ageing gracefully.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I thought that this was worse than the Gibson tirade.

how so? they're both equally horrific and I've now seen this been said twice. I'm not sure how one is worse than the other here.

I can't get enough of Karmer doing the MC Hammer dance across the stage while yelling the N-bomb at those guys - there's something very funny to me about watching a racist come completely unhigned while destroying what's left of their pathetic career.

 

[D-Dogg]

how so? they're both equally horrific and I've now seen this been said twice. I'm not sure how one is worse than the other here.

Well, I feel this way because Gibson was drunk off his pony. Plus, we got "Officer Sugartits" out of Gibson's rant.

Kramer was sober (it seems, and even if he had alcohol, he wasn't poisoned like Mel).


Not that that content is any more offensive, but Mel was spouting off drunk to a cop (not Jewish), while Kramer was on stage in front of a hundred people addressing directly the target of his hate with a clear (as it can be) head.

Content wise they are both the same hate filled garbage. Context wise I'm more appalled at Richards. I'd switch it around if Mel were standing on stage talking directly to a couple of Jewish patrons and spouting his stuff, and instead Kramer were drunk talking his crap to a white cop.

 

[phillycard]

From what I've heard, you are using the word "comedian" pretty loosely. He's an actor/comedian, not the other way around. In other words, I've heard his standup sucks out loud.

I meant to ask you when you were down here...how's the standup going?

Good D-Dogg! It's actually going as well as can be expected from 2 years of paying dues. Sometimes I do shows for a warm six pack other times I'll do shows for $$. It's all about getting better and gaining exposure for me.

 

[D-Dogg]

Good D-Dogg! It's actually going as well as can be expected from 2 years of paying dues. Sometimes I do shows for a warm six pack other times I'll do shows for $$. It's all about getting better and gaining exposure for me.

You should have someone film your stuff and put it online on GooTube or something. I'd love to see it.

 

[phillycard]

I don't think anyone can answer that question. I don't think anyone can. The closest thing I can think of is that it is their common experience and it is really recent history. Maybe it is a way of satirizing their experience. I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily approve of its use, but I also don't think it's my place to say. What I would ask is. "What does black people calling each other the n-word have to do with you or me?" The answer is "Nothing". If you feel the word is wrong, then you don't use it. What everyone else does with it brings about their own consequences....

I agree 100%. Ask most black people why we use thet term, and most can't tell you. I am guilty myself of it, but I have NEVER used it in mixed company, nor will I ever say it in my act when I'm doing a non-all black audience show.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, I feel this way because Gibson was drunk off his pony. Plus, we got "Officer Sugartits" out of Gibson's rant.

Kramer was sober (it seems, and even if he had alcohol, he wasn't poisoned like Mel).


Not that that content is any more offensive, but Mel was spouting off drunk to a cop (not Jewish), while Kramer was on stage in front of a hundred people addressing directly the target of his hate with a clear (as it can be) head.

Content wise they are both the same hate filled garbage. Context wise I'm more appalled at Richards. I'd switch it around if Mel were standing on stage talking directly to a couple of Jewish patrons and spouting his stuff, and instead Kramer were drunk talking his crap to a white cop.

you really think Kramer was sober there? The guy looked like he was off his rocker to me. Reagrdless, I'm surprised you think there's a difference. Gibson asked the cop if he was Jewish (which I actually think he was) and then went on to rant about how the Jews are the reason for all the problems in the world. also, considering that Mel had already made a movie where he basically paints a bloody picture of Jews twirling their mustaches while killing Jesus, you don't think that has anything to do with the context of the vileness that spewed out of his mouth that night?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Well, I feel this way because Gibson was drunk off his pony. Plus, we got "Officer Sugartits" out of Gibson's rant.

Kramer was sober (it seems, and even if he had alcohol, he wasn't poisoned like Mel).


Not that that content is any more offensive, but Mel was spouting off drunk to a cop (not Jewish), while Kramer was on stage in front of a hundred people addressing directly the target of his hate with a clear (as it can be) head.

Content wise they are both the same hate filled garbage. Context wise I'm more appalled at Richards. I'd switch it around if Mel were standing on stage talking directly to a couple of Jewish patrons and spouting his stuff, and instead Kramer were drunk talking his crap to a white cop.

Good writeup

That's pretty much my take on it as well.

 

[D-Dogg]

you really think Kramer was sober there? The guy looked like he was off his rocker to me. Reagrdless, I'm surprised you think there's a difference. Gibson asked the cop if he was Jewish (which I actually think he was) and then went on to rant about how the Jews are the reason for all the problems in the world. also, considering that Mel had already made a movie where he basically paints a bloody picture of Jews twirling their mustaches while killing Jesus, you don't think that has anything to do with the context of the vileness that spewed out of his mouth that night?

1. I don't think Kramer was drunk. Not at all. I think he was unhinged and lost his mind. But not drunk. He didn't look drunk to me...just stupid and angry.

2. He was talking to two black guys directly, and invoking KKK behavior and calling them nbombs to their face.

3. Mel was hammered.

4. Mel DID say this to a Jewish cop, which escalates his context quite a bit. At this point, the only thing separating the two incidents is alcohol and spewing in public.


So now realizing that Mel's officer was Jewish, I put Kramer > Mel by a fraction on the jackass scale. If it turns out that Kramer was hammered as well, then the difference is Kramer doing it on stage which is a negligible difference.

Perhaps we can have them both fight to the death?

 

[D-Dogg]

also, considering that Mel had already made a movie where he basically paints a bloody picture of Jews twirling their mustaches while killing Jesus, you don't think that has anything to do with the context of the vileness that spewed out of his mouth that night?

This actually has nothing to do with his rants that night and is an external issue. And that is also your take of the movie and your opinion of its purpose.

Not saying that Mel is not anti-Semitic as he most clearly is, but that his movie doesn't come into play in evaulating his rant.

 

[Linderbee]

Perhaps we can have them both fight to the death?

I feel a Celebrity Deathmatch coming on...

 

[clif]

It's not the word so much as it is the emotion behind it. As a black male I too am digusted with the use of the N word. For alot of people I know it is the historical significance of the word that drive people over the edge when the word is uttered. Whenever the word was stated in the past by white people it was used in a disparaging way. It was the word uttered by slave masters of the south and it still evokes anger even today.

I know from where I'm from the word was used by blacks as a way to describe uneducated, poor, thuggish types of black folks. It was basically a social divider in the black community. Now that rap and hip hop have become so main stream it became fashionable to be thuggish. It became desirable to be rough and from the streets. So many people embraced being "******" therefore people use the word more and more to describe themselves and the people they hang out with.

 

[clif]

For me even today that word gets me fired up and unfortunately it really does depend on who is saying it. The emotions change. Weird but true. I personally choose not to use it because I do see the hypocrisy it one saying it and getting mad when others use it. I don't want my daughters growing up thinking it is ok in any scenario.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This actually has nothing to do with his rants that night and is an external issue. And that is also your take of the movie and your opinion of its purpose.

Not saying that Mel is not anti-Semitic as he most clearly is, but that his movie doesn't come into play in evaulating his rant.

agree to disagree.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Well, I feel this way because Gibson was drunk off his pony. Plus, we got "Officer Sugartits" out of Gibson's rant.

Kramer was sober (it seems, and even if he had alcohol, he wasn't poisoned like Mel).


Not that that content is any more offensive, but Mel was spouting off drunk to a cop (not Jewish), while Kramer was on stage in front of a hundred people addressing directly the target of his hate with a clear (as it can be) head.

Content wise they are both the same hate filled garbage. Context wise I'm more appalled at Richards. I'd switch it around if Mel were standing on stage talking directly to a couple of Jewish patrons and spouting his stuff, and instead Kramer were drunk talking his crap to a white cop.

You are clearly an anti-semite!

 

[asudevil83]

I saw the clip. Its pretty bad. But to me he went off on an obviously ill thought out, over the top attempt at silencing his hecklers, and then couldnt back off once he got going. It was a pretty disgusting display, and I do have a serious problem with the word, even when blacks use it from a standpoint of power (as may well be their right, its just my feelings) but for everyone to go so totally out of control over it? Eh. I will tell you giving Silverman a pass on the ethnic jokes just cause she happens to be Jewish is a lame excuse. She calls Mexicans smelly and has a bit (albeit hilarious) about a former black boyfriend thats totally racist, but I guess maybe because its in the context of her act its ok? Richards went too far, but the freak out didnt look to me like a guy with a bone to pick with black people, it looked to me like a comedian taking a horribly wrong turn. And dont call me an apologist. Ill go back to not giving a damn about Michael Richards now, the same as before this happened.

there is a difference in using racist jokes/stereotypes in a comedy routine, and being a flat out bigot. Silverman/Chappelle/Mencia use this to their advantage all the time.

if i went out on the street and called some hispanic guy a dirty mexican right to his face, you'd either find me in a hospital or in or morgue. same thing if i went out and found a black man and called him a N____ straight to his face.

 

[D-Dogg]

agree to disagree.

Fair enough.

 

[clif]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

Gotta love the WIKIPEDIA!

 

[Cheesebeef]

You are clearly an anti-semite!

naw - just people who start entire threads about the protocols and see what Richards said as being much worse and then go on to say that if it were Jews being called out there'd be more outrage are obvious anti-semites Seeds of HATE.

Don't try to project your own hate on to others. It makes you look that much uglier (if that's even possible Kosmo Jr.)

 

[Divide Et Impera]

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[Divide Et Impera]

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Shimon Peres is…
Saturday, October 4th, 2003
I was sent this disturbing image yesterday.
To the left, a young, innocent Shimon Peres, statesman.
To the right, his lost son, Michael Richards, actor… a.ka. as Kramer.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

If I knew Photoshop, I'd photoshop some Kramer pics. I tried searching for some thinking that this would be a big thing and not a one is out there. I would be interested in seeing Kramer's face superimposed on Hitler doing one of his speeches or on a robe-wearing KKK pic....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Ruh-roh, Shaggy....

http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/22/richards-rant-not-the-first-time/

Richards' Rant -- Not The First Time

Posted Nov 22nd 2006 2:10PM by TMZ Staff
Filed under: Train Wrecks, TV

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Did Michael Richards attack the Jews? Two Los Angeles residents have come forward and said that's exactly what happened last Spring at L.A. comedy club, The Improv.

Carol Oschin and J.P. Fillet say they were at The Improv on April 22 when Richards took the stage. They say that in the middle of Richards' skit, a man in the audience said something to the comedian, when Richards allegedly launched into an anti-Semitic rant. According to Oschin, Richards screamed at the audience member, "You f***ing Jew. You people are the cause of Jesus dying."

Oschin says the rant continued and Richards stormed off the stage. Oschin and Fillet say that, at first, they thought Richards' tirade was part of his act, but claim that it quickly became apparent it was not.

Richards' publicist, Howard Rubenstein, confirmed to TMZ that Richards did make derogatory comments about Jews, but says it was part of his act. Rubenstein says Richards told him, "I'm not anti-Semitic. I was playing a role and poking fun at the rednecks."

 

[Divide Et Impera]

"I'm not anti-Semitic. I was playing a role and poking fun at the rednecks."

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