kurt warner on the rams vs kurt warner on the cardinals

[Kody]

whenever he retires when people think about him i want them to think about him as a cardinal, not a ram

 

[Shane]

If he wins this superbowl they will. They will remember the rams but his latest and last glory will have been with us. People wont forget that he WON A SB WITH THE ARIZONA FREAKING CARDINALS!

 

[IAWarnerFan]

He's now both, but two more successful years would help even more.

 

[Cheesebeef]

when he QBs us to the Super Bowl, people can think of him as the second coming of Jesus for all I care!

 

[hsandhu]

NFL network just showed the rams/titans, rams/patriots the last two nights. It just reinforced that Kurt Warner, during that 3 year span, was as good a qb as I have ever seen.

He will be remembered as a ram, unless he wins sunday then probably remembered as both equally.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

NFL network just showed the rams/titans, rams/patriots the last two nights. It just reinforced that Kurt Warner, during that 3 year span, was as good a qb as I have ever seen.

He will be remembered as a ram, unless he wins sunday then probably remembered as both equally.

Win Sunday and repeat next year!

 

[Spielman]

He'll be remembered as both.

Clearly, a central point of his legacy is leading two teams to the Super Bowl. Can't do that without both teams being important.

 

[Perfectionist]

He'll be remembered as both.

Clearly, a central point of his legacy is leading two teams to the Super Bowl. Can't do that without both teams being important.

As well he should be, but ironicaly that he played in St. Louis, so in the confusion alot of people will think he was always a Cardinal.

 

[jaguarpaw81]

I have watched both of his past SBs twice over the last few games and am starting to think Kurt may be playing his best football ever right now.

 

[moklerman]

I have watched both of his past SBs twice over the last few games and am starting to think Kurt may be playing his best football ever right now.

I'm glad I wasn't the first one to say it. Even in SB XXXIV he didn't look as crisp and decisive as he's looked in this year's run. I credit the coaches and scheme to a large extent.

 

[Cardiac]

I have watched both of his past SBs twice over the last few games and am starting to think Kurt may be playing his best football ever right now.

Gotta agree. Against the Pats his thumb was hurting.

Kurt just seems more relaxed in the pocket now and more confident.

 

[Sparky715]

One thing that has always upset me about the Rams-Pats SB is that the refs let the Pats hold Marshall and the receivers, which disrupted the Rams passing attack. Most of the time, they held just enough to breakup the timing, but apparently not enough for the refs to call it. Like some of you, and especially Moklerman and Spielman, I have followed Kurt from his 1999 year with the Rams. (I first saw him when he played late in a game against the 49ers in 1998.) Kurt has always been a timing passer. When the receivers do not get to the spots where he anticipates they will be, he is not as effective. I am concerned that the Steelers will try a similar tactic on Sunday. If they do, do you think that it will be as successful against Fitzgerald and Boldin, given their size, as it was against the Rams? By the way, I have only posted once, but read the posts often. Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[DeAnna]

Maybe they'll remember him as an Arizona Ram. As opposed to, say, a St. Louis Cardinal

 

[PortlandCardFan]

I have watched both of his past SBs twice over the last few games and am starting to think Kurt may be playing his best football ever right now.

I agree. I also think Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston are as good as Holt, whomever, and whomever (drawing a blank right now).

 

[Goldfield]

One thing that has always upset me about the Rams-Pats SB is that the refs let the Pats hold Marshall and the receivers, which disrupted the Rams passing attack. Most of the time, they held just enough to breakup the timing, but apparently not enough for the refs to call it. Like some of you, and especially Moklerman and Spielman, I have followed Kurt from his 1999 year with the Rams. (I first saw him when he played late in a game against the 49ers in 1998.) Kurt has always been a timing passer. When the receivers do not get to the spots where he anticipates they will be, he is not as effective. I am concerned that the Steelers will try a similar tactic on Sunday. If they do, do you think that it will be as successful against Fitzgerald and Boldin, given their size, as it was against the Rams? By the way, I have only posted once, but read the posts often. Thanks for your thoughts.

That hurt the rams much more than it would us because they were 90% timing routs.

 

[abomb]

He'll be remembered as both.

Clearly, a central point of his legacy is leading two teams to the Super Bowl. Can't do that without both teams being important.

I agree. The Pro Football HOF is great in that a player is just in. No cap, no jersey, no team. Just in.

 

[Shogun]

I agree. I also think Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston are as good as Holt, whomever, and whomever (drawing a blank right now).

Holt, Bruce, Az-Zahir Hakim and Proehl.

 

[Goran Stoudemire]

Scott Bordow was on ESPN yesterday talking about how Kurt Warner would have to win this years Super Bowl and another one to be considered for the HOF.

This is the kind of crap we get from local writers.

 

[cardsfanmd]

One thing that has always upset me about the Rams-Pats SB is that the refs let the Pats hold Marshall and the receivers, which disrupted the Rams passing attack. Most of the time, they held just enough to breakup the timing, but apparently not enough for the refs to call it. Like some of you, and especially Moklerman and Spielman, I have followed Kurt from his 1999 year with the Rams. (I first saw him when he played late in a game against the 49ers in 1998.) Kurt has always been a timing passer. When the receivers do not get to the spots where he anticipates they will be, he is not as effective. I am concerned that the Steelers will try a similar tactic on Sunday. If they do, do you think that it will be as successful against Fitzgerald and Boldin, given their size, as it was against the Rams? By the way, I have only posted once, but read the posts often. Thanks for your thoughts.

Boldin and Fitz are both way stronger and impossible to press up at the line. They would both run right through the DBs in that scenario. Hell, DRC's skinny tail threw Holt around like a rag dog.

 

[Spielman]

I agree. I also think Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston are as good as Holt, whomever, and whomever (drawing a blank right now).

As Shogun said, Holt, Bruce, Hakim and Proehl.

I dunno. I said during the season that while I thought the Cards group was clearly the best in football right now, I'd take the Rams group overall because they were more explosive. The yards per reception they generated during those years was ungodly, and a lot higher than anything this Cards group has done.

To illustrate this, the highest YPC in a single season by the Cardinals trio is Fitz's 14.9 this year. In the GSOT years, the Rams had:
Bruce 1999: 15.1
Bruce 2000: 16.9
Bruce 2001: 17.3
Holt 1999: 15.2
Holt 2000: 19.9
Holt 2001: 16.8
Hakim 1999: 18.8

Those numbers are ridiculous. Even Proehl, the posession receiver, put up YPCs in the 14s. Holt and Bruce were masters, and I cannot emphasize this enough, masters at running precise routes that created space, leading to great YAC opportunities because Warner would hit them in stride and on time. I dunno if anybody's ever been better at that particular skill, though Rice was definitely as good. Fitz and Boldin are different types, aren't asked to do that, and don't.

The flip side is that both the Cards top two, and especially Fitz, are more dangerous in the red zone than any Rams receivers were. Explosive is great outside the 20, but size and strength count for a lot more near the goalline. This makes the Cardinals pass attack more efficient, and counterbalances those ungodly YPCs. And with the performances Fitz has had in the playoffs...

I dunno. It's close. I'd probably take the Cards group right now, but if I broke out my old Rams game tapes and watched them again, I might be singing a different tune. Certainly if you flipped the two groups, neither would be nearly as efficient with the other team as they were with their actual team. They're good fits for the systems. Both have been amazingly fun to watch.

As far as the upsetting the timing thing goes... well, yeah. If you jam the receivers and throw them off their routes, you'll prevent them from catching a pass on that play. But good luck doing that to both guys on every play. You've gotta have deep help to get away with doing it much, so the more you do it, the less you can blitz. And bigger, stronger guys like Fitz and Boldin are not easy to do it to with any consistency. Plus you can use motion to make it harder, which the Cards do very well.

The reasons it worked for the Pats in Super Bowl 36 were the much smaller Rams receivers, and the fact that Mike Martz is a stubborn idiot. He needed to adjust, use motion more, and call plays that accounted for the Patriots strategy. He didn't do that until late in the game, and I still have my doubts that he was the one who actually made the changes that needed to be made. He also needed to get RT Rod Jones the hell out of the game because he was getting beaten like a drum, and he didn't do that until late in the game either.

The Steelers would be stupid not to use the jam, and use it often. But you can't build your whole strategy around it, not on guys like Fitzgerald and Boldin, and not against a veteran QB who knows what to do to counter it.