Kurt Warner shouldn't see the field again.

[SECTION 11]

As a 38 year old with eyeballs, I say this loss is on Warner.

 

[Renz]

No, no, no, a thousand times NO!!! What happens when he doesn't snap out of it, Crimson? You want to go 0-3 'cause you wanted to give grandpa a chance to right the ship? For once as a team we need to be proactive instead of reactive.

Guess what? That ain't gonna happen, so you better get used to Kurt being this team's starting QB, at least for the immediate future.

 

[Rats]

Guess what? That ain't gonna happen, so you better get used to Kurt being this team's starting QB, at least for the immediate future.

If that is the case then they better change the play calling to fast quick strikes and give us back last years offensive play calling. Get out the film it ain't that hard. Otherwise Warner won't last with this dismal play calling behind this line. I do not think Matt will either nor the Rb's.

 

[conraddobler]

It was not dismal play calling at all.

The false starts, holding, dropped balls and interceptions had something to do with it, I wasn't particularly fond of the play calling but it is what it is.

It's Whis's style and it would have easily worked had he gotten an acceptable execution level out of his players.

The fault lies in not heading the preseason with respect to who won the QB competition, we all know who won it, and if this was last year we all know who would of started.

What Warner did last year means nothing this year, he gets a paycheck to show up, other than that it dosen't say in his contract he can't be benched and he should of been benched, waiting to make sure will only result in a stack of losses IMO.

 

[Rats]

While I agree that the penalties and dropped balls had something to do with it. If as a headcoach you do not utilize your personel properly you will get the stack of losses you speak of. We do not have the personel on the Oline to run Whis's style. Regardless of who is under center. We do have the personel to run last years offense and with this years Defense we could be very good. Continue to call a crap gameplan like today and we will get the stack of losses unless the defense does the scoring.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It was not dismal play calling at all.

The false starts, holding, dropped balls and interceptions had something to do with it, I wasn't particularly fond of the play calling but it is what it is.

It's Whis's style and it would have easily worked had he gotten an acceptable execution level out of his players.

The fault lies in not heading the preseason with respect to who won the QB competition, we all know who won it, and if this was last year we all know who would of started.

What Warner did last year means nothing this year, he gets a paycheck to show up, other than that it dosen't say in his contract he can't be benched and he should of been benched, waiting to make sure will only result in a stack of losses IMO.

You make a valid point connrad. So does stout.

Just answer one question conrad. With 20/20 hindsight, would you make the decision to bench Warner after his poor performance in the first eagles game last year?

Stout your inclined to bench warner after a bad half. If you could go back in time, would the Leinart era begin after the first half the 2008 jets game?

 

[conraddobler]

You make a valid point connrad. So does stout.

Just answer one question conrad. With 20/20 hindsight, would you make the decision to bench Warner after his poor performance in the first eagles game last year?

Stout your inclined to bench warner after a bad half. If you could go back in time, would the Leinart era begin after the first half the 2008 jets game?

Nope I wouldn't have but even if I would have because of how mad I was it still isn't the same thing as last year.

That was LAST year and last year Warner won the preseason competition rather handily.

So we were stuck with him then and he later came out of it but that was a road game, he didn't stink in preseaon and the team was let down around him having such a big lead in the division. I think that was the infamous short rest game too, it was bad but there really were excuses for it.

This year is totally a new year, this was the first HOME game against a division rival, there are no other excuses, he was inaccurate, he has been all preseason and he had hip surgery and he's 38 now and Matt played well this preseason.

So it's not the same thing, this game you can make no excuses for him like you could of in the Eagles game last year, the whole team tanked for a few games last year, mostly after they knew they'd be in the playoffs and on the road.

To me it's not the same at all.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Nope I wouldn't.

That was LAST year and last year Warner won the preseason competition rather handily.

So we were stuck with him then and he later came out of it but that was a road game, he didn't stink in preseaon and the team was let down around him having such a big lead in the division. I think that was the infamous short rest game too, it was bad but there really were excuses for it.

This year is totally a new year, this was the first HOME game against a division rival, there are no other excuses, he was inaccurate, he has been all preseason and he had hip surgery and he's 38 now and Matt played well this preseason.

So it's not the same thing, this game you can make no excuses for him like you could of in the Eagles game last year, the whole team tanked for a few games last year, mostly after they knew they'd be in the playoffs and on the road.

To me it's not the same at all.

All right. That's a pretty fair answer. Thanks for responding.

 

[ajcardfan]

Kurt was not all that different today than the first game last year. He had a shaky first half, but did better in the second half. Although, he did not set the world on fire in either game.

 

[Mitch]

Kurt was not all that different today than the first game last year. He had a shaky first half, but did better in the second half. Although, he did not set the world on fire in either game.

Good point, AJ...although Warner managed the game better last year, which was running oriented because he hadn't had many snaps as the starting QB.

 

[seesred]

Kurt looked like the qb in pre season who didn't throw 1 TD. He looks old, he slow to react, he overthrows, underthrows and to the wrong side of several WRs. I know we will see him over the next couple of weeks at least to the bye. I hope he wakes up of this is going to be one rough season.

On the bright side, Hightower and Beanie looked like the real deal. In fact at times I think Hightower must of been the only reciever because he was the only player getting any action. Our defense was awesome only gave up 200 or so yards.

GBR
40

 

[ajcardfan]

Good point, AJ...although Warner managed the game better last year, which was running oriented because he hadn't had many snaps as the starting QB.

James ran for 100 yards in that game. I thought we could've done that today, but the circumstances of the score, and all those three and outs, never let our runners wear them down.

 

[Stout]

What Conrad said. Also, last season Kurt had shown that he could play lights-out. He had already stacked up plenty of impressive performances. The only thing that he's amassed this preseason and season are question marks about why he's playing like crap.

 

[ArizonaElvis]

He looks lost. Scared. Clueless. Inept. Completely overwhelmed. I give a DAMN HOW MUCH PRESSURE he is under, he can damn well make sure he doesn't play like a pop warner scrub. Feeling heat? Throw it away. Have a man open? Hit him in stride. DO NOT FORCE THE BALL. He just looks like he has no idea what has gone wrong. Maybe he's just too old. Maybe he's still hurt. Whatever the reason, he is clearly not going to lead us to victory today. He'll only dig us in a deeper and deeper hole. Bench him. Let the Leinart era begin.

The only play not on Warner was the Long drop. LONG SUCKS.

I was pissed off yesterday too.....Warner will be fine and you will sober up..

 

[gamebird98]

bump

 

[azmike74]

I was pissed off yesterday too.....Warner will be fine and you will sober up..

Good call Elvis! Wish I had your optimism after that game!

 

[ArizonaElvis]

Good call Elvis! Wish I had your optimism after that game!

I just get frustrated when people lash out at any player after one freaking game! Jeesh, look at what Warner did for us last year and look at yesterday! If he has 2 bad games in a row, I'll still be behind him...Meanwhile the bandwaggoners will be calling for Leinart! Leinart is not ready.....GO KURT!!!!!

 

[Cardsfanstl]

I just get frustrated when people lash out at any player after one freaking game! Jeesh, look at what Warner did for us last year and look at yesterday! If he has 2 bad games in a row, I'll still be behind him...Meanwhile the bandwaggoners will be calling for Leinart! Leinart is not ready.....GO KURT!!!!!

I agree completely with you Elvis.

 

[Doug]

Yesterday was just more proof to ME personally that Leinart isn't ready yet.We never had to punt till he came into the game and we did'nt go into a shell on the offensive play calling either.We were in there to get first downs not just to run clock and punt.

Leinart can't read the field yet like Warner does.It just slaps you in the face when you see it.Yes he is more mobile but what does that get you if you can't get the ball to the open man without having to take off running?Read and quick release is what keeps this machine running.Then go long on a play action pass once we got them set up.Just like we did on the Fitzgerald td.

It won't stop the crowd from cheering for the backup tho.Never has in Arizona.Shame

 

[Pariah]

Yesterday was just more proof to ME personally that Leinart isn't ready yet.We never had to punt till he came into the game and we did'nt go into a shell on the offensive play calling either.We were in there to get first downs not just to run clock and punt.

Then the coaches shouldn't have hamstrung Leinart by calling a different offense then they did for the first three quarters.

Leinart ran the plays called for him just fine.

That's not a call for Warner's job, but to call out Leinart for not getting a first on some of those plays is silly.

 

[Cardiac]

Yesterday was just more proof to ME personally that Leinart isn't ready yet.We never had to punt till he came into the game and we did'nt go into a shell on the offensive play calling either.We were in there to get first downs not just to run clock and punt.

Leinart can't read the field yet like Warner does.It just slaps you in the face when you see it.Yes he is more mobile but what does that get you if you can get the ball to the open man without having to take off running?Read and quick release is what keeps this machine running.Then go long on a play action pass once we got them set up.Just like we did on the Fitzgerald td.

It won't stop the crowd from cheering for the backup tho.Never has in Arizona.Shame

Very few QB's can read the field like KW.

ML with a full weeks practice as the starter would have been sharper.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Then the coaches shouldn't have hamstrung Leinart by calling a different offense then they did for the first three quarters.

Leinart ran the plays called for him just fine.

That's not a call for Warner's job, but to call out Leinart for not getting a first on some of those plays is silly.

Meh... he was in with the starting offense and in just over a quarter of play, he produced 1 first down. 3 of 6 passing for 22 yards (17 came on one play by Breaston).
As usual, his passes were too high - consistently. As I have stated in the past, he's gonna get our WR's hurt - bad.

Anyway, he wasn't asked to do much yesterday. But I really wouldn't go so far as to say that he "ran the plays called for him just fine". Definitely not that.

 

[Pariah]

But I really wouldn't go so far as to say that he "ran the plays called for him just fine". Definitely not that.

You and I saw it differently, then. The only pass he threw poorly in my estimation was the one that was too high for Fitz. The other two were just plain dropped.

 

[azmike74]

Yesterday was just more proof to ME personally that Leinart isn't ready yet.We never had to punt till he came into the game and we did'nt go into a shell on the offensive play calling either.We were in there to get first downs not just to run clock and punt.

Leinart can't read the field yet like Warner does.It just slaps you in the face when you see it.Yes he is more mobile but what does that get you if you can get the ball to the open man without having to take off running?Read and quick release is what keeps this machine running.Then go long on a play action pass once we got them set up.Just like we did on the Fitzgerald td.

It won't stop the crowd from cheering for the backup tho.Never has in Arizona.Shame

Doug, if Leinart was the starter and had a bad game, we, as fans would be all over him as well. I don't think it's a "shame we cheer for the back up", we want the team to win and most don't care who plays qb as long as the better qb is taking the snaps.
The impression I get from some of your posts is you feel people are unfairly criticizing Warner and if that is the case, I think you might be missunderstanding some posters on the board.

I will now go back to trying to avoid the Leinart/Warner threads!

 

[Oasis in the Desert]

Stout shouldn't post again. Just sayin'. Kurt's still the man!!