Kurt Warner shouldn't see the field again.

[az1965]

Yesterday was just more proof to ME personally that Leinart isn't ready yet.We never had to punt till he came into the game and we did'nt go into a shell on the offensive play calling either.We were in there to get first downs not just to run clock and punt.

Leinart can't read the field yet like Warner does.It just slaps you in the face when you see it.Yes he is more mobile but what does that get you if you can get the ball to the open man without having to take off running?Read and quick release is what keeps this machine running.Then go long on a play action pass once we got them set up.Just like we did on the Fitzgerald td.

It won't stop the crowd from cheering for the backup tho.Never has in Arizona.Shame

Umm... Leinart did what was asked of him and that was precisely to run the clock down. The playcalling changed drastically for that. Granted getting first downs is part of running down the clocks and we definitely should have picked some of those up but overall he was ok.

My only peeve was he was put in too early and that was explained by Whiz that Warner's shoulder was sore from the stinger in the first game and asked to be removed. I still think he should have gone at least one more series since he was operating flawlessly even with that sore shoulder. That would have eliminated even the slight light of hope the Jags saw in the 4th.

 

[Covert Rain]

Umm... Leinart did what was asked of him and that was precisely to run the clock down. The playcalling changed drastically for that. Granted getting first downs is part of running down the clocks and we definitely should have picked some of those up but overall he was ok.

My only peeve was he was put in too early and that was explained by Whiz that Warner's shoulder was sore from the stinger in the first game and asked to be removed. I still think he should have gone at least one more series since he was operating flawlessly even with that sore shoulder. That would have eliminated even the slight light of hope the Jags saw in the 4th.

He did? Because I don't think the Whiz asked him to throw a couple of those really bad balls. I am sure they asked him for good throws and a couple first downs that would have kept the ball out of the hands of the Jaguars and ended that game much sooner.

Having said that....It's only 1 game. If he comes in for Warner and plays similar in those game....then there might be something to worry about.

 

[Duckjake]

He did? Because I don't think the Whiz asked him to throw a couple of those really bad balls. I am sure they asked him for good throws and a couple first downs that would have kept the ball out of the hands of the Jaguars and ended that game much sooner.

Having said that....It's only 1 game. If he comes in for Warner and plays similar in those game....then there might be something to worry about.

More importantly I really hope that some day the Cards are going to be able to run the ball for 1 stinkin' yard to pick up a first down in the fourth quarter.

 

[ANDY440]

More importantly I really hope that some day the Cards are going to be able to run the ball for 1 stinkin' yard to pick up a first down in the fourth quarter.

Thats what the Charger's fans are thinking today.....

 

[ArizonaElvis]

Umm... Leinart did what was asked of him and that was precisely to run the clock down. The playcalling changed drastically for that. Granted getting first downs is part of running down the clocks and we definitely should have picked some of those up but overall he was ok.

My only peeve was he was put in too early and that was explained by Whiz that Warner's shoulder was sore from the stinger in the first game and asked to be removed. I still think he should have gone at least one more series since he was operating flawlessly even with that sore shoulder. That would have eliminated even the slight light of hope the Jags saw in the 4th.

Leinart was suppose to come in and run the clock out and NO he did not do that.....He gave the damn ball back so quick everytime that they almost came back and beat us....the kid isn't ready! PERIOD!

 

[JS22]

This thread started out almost as bad as the "bench Romo for Kitna / bring up Carpenter from the practice squad" threads on the Cowboys forums.

What a difference a game makes, eh?

Warner will be fine.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

There are more than a few on this forum who should go to the tape and review the throws by Leinart to both Fitz and Becht.

Fitz caught the ball, brought it down to his chest and lost it when he landed on his back. Clearly, he should have held on, and Fitz agrees.

Becht was hit in the hands and his feet were not 2-inches off the ground. Again, a catch that should be made at the NFL level.

 

[conraddobler]

I have no idea why Matt was even throwing the ball.

He should of just been milking the clock and handing it off to THT.

We could of taken a ton more time off the clock if they'd just have run the ball.

 

[Pariah]

Leinart was suppose to come in and run the clock out and NO he did not do that.....He gave the damn ball back so quick everytime that they almost came back and beat us....the kid isn't ready! PERIOD!

Didn't you say something to the effect of not judging Warner on game 1? If so, isn't that a little hypocritical to then turn around and judge Leinart on a single quarter in which A) the play-calling changed significantly from a quick-pass offense to a clock-eating run attack and B) he actually threw mostly good passes, 3 of which were dropped by the receivers.

People, just because someone is saying Leinart didn't look bad, that doesn't mean they're calling for Warner's job. It's a good thing that our starter set an NFL record and the backup came in for mop-up duty (albeit a little early) and looked solid.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that every play has to be perfect for Lenart to be considered "ready" or a success. It's unusual for even Warner not to throw a couple of slightly off passes--not everything is going to be perfect --- with Warner OR Leinart under center.

 

[Pariah]

I have no idea why Matt was even throwing the ball.

He should of just been milking the clock and handing it off to THT.

We could of taken a ton more time off the clock if they'd just have run the ball.

I disagree; that's still not how the Cardinals eat clock. They eat clock by throwing short, quick passes. The offense that Leinart was given WAS a run-first attack.

JMHO

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Chris Miller the QB coach was on the radio this morning and he said that the coaches thought that Leinart played well. Fitz dropped a ball that they expect him to catch even though it was a little high. A TE had another drop.

 

[earthsci]

Chris Miller the QB coach was on the radio this morning and he said that the coaches thought that Leinart played well. Fitz dropped a ball that they expect him to catch even though it was a little high. A TE had another drop.

Nope. Sorry Chris. Leinart was 3 for 6 and should have been 5 for 6, if not for dropped balls, but we can tell that he won't make it. Meanwhile, Kurt crapped the bed for four pre-season games and the first regular season game, with high, sailing passes (your concern about Leinart, right 82?) but we all knew that he would be fine. How dare anyone question whether Warner was going to do well!!

 

[Doug]

There are more than a few on this forum who should go to the tape and review the throws by Leinart to both Fitz and Becht.

Fitz caught the ball, brought it down to his chest and lost it when he landed on his back. Clearly, he should have held on, and Fitz agrees.

Becht was hit in the hands and his feet were not 2-inches off the ground. Again, a catch that should be made at the NFL level.

The thing is that pass did'nt need to be thrown where it was when Fitzgerald was completly alone by himself.Matt throws the ball high.When Kurt does it and the best of the best drop it he gets thrown under the bus also here on the board.I think Matt should get the same thing Warner does right?How many dropped balls last week on drive continuing plays?I know of many.

Thats why this is my last post on a Warner /Leinart thread.I asked the other one that was brought up to be locked so this kind of thread would'nt continue.It only breeds trouble.I fell into my own trap.

I'm not a Warner apologist.Nor a Warnerphile whatever that is.Yet I allow myself to be called one as a joke.The kid could be younger than my son.I just like how he handles himself outside and on the field.We have the same belief system. See how this gets me into trouble.

I don't want to be treated as the hated poster who likes someone that everyone else hates.On the major board you are even put on ignore.I post about all 53 people on this team.Not just one.I know all 53 and we need them all to make this work.

I'm having brain surgery soon on my pituitary gland in my brain so I can plead the fifth right? Take pity on me and just let this post slide on out of the way okay.I won't respond to it.Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings.

Peace

 

[conraddobler]

I disagree; that's still not how the Cardinals eat clock. They eat clock by throwing short, quick passes. The offense that Leinart was given WAS a run-first attack.

JMHO

No one should be passing in a clock eating situation because just like what happened yesterday as a clock eating tactic it stinks.

I have the same issue with Mizzou, they have the same exact philosophy and it's cost them games in the past, even worse they have no first and goal jumbo package they use the spread there too.

I can understand these pass first teams but basic football 101 says you should have a contingency plan for situations like we had yesterday, handing the ball off and grinding it out is a lot safer than throwing passes, as long as you use your most sure handed back to do it, that's why I said THT, not Wells.

 

[Pariah]

For the last time, it is NOT a slam on Warner to say you think Leinart looked solid yesterday. It is NOT a slam on Leinart to say Warner should keep starting.

Fer chrissakes, Warner set an NFL completion record yesterday. No one in the history of the league has done what he's done, yet so many of you look at Leinart and say "well, he's no warner." No ****. He's likely not going to be, but that doesn't mean he's not an NFL starting-calibre QB.

 

[john h]

i remember right when we signed him i didn't wanna waste all that money on him. i wanted to finally start leinart and used all those millions on warner to put more tools around leinart.


I'm still supporting kurt since he is the starter as of now...hopefully he comes out of the half with some juice

Warner is a once in a decade QB. You give him time with the 4 receivers we have and you are going to score points even though he is 38. With those years comes wisdom which includes reading defenses and understanding your opposition. Combine that with being a good guy and not a premadona and you can win more than your share of games. I have watched the Cards since 1946 and I think he has been the best QB for the Cards I have seen and that includes Hart, Lomax, Johnson, etc. These other QB's were in their prime. Warner is in the waning years of his career. Glad he was with us his last year or two. We have not seen enough of Leinart to know if he is our QB of the future. Let us hope so because when Kurt is gone we will not see the likes of him for a while.

I liked the looks of our RB's. You can teach Bennie to hold on to the ball and he has that ability to see holes and cut back through them and move the pile. Hightower is much better than last year so far. Those two finally give us the possibility of a real running game. How long is Breaston and Urban signed for? Breaston could start for most teams in the NFL and it is nice to have a QB like Warner who can see all of them and more importantly know where they are likely to be on a play. At this point in his career Larry Fitz may be the best QB I have seen. He will have to do it over time to beat out Rice but the guy is the best in the NFL as I see it. His hands must be as big a a baseball mitt.

I have to say this about the Jacksonville QB. The man is an escape artist and can shake off would be tacklers with ease. Our punter looked much better yesterday than last year if anyone noticed. I do not know what the Cards have planned for Boldin but they sure had better be locking up the likes of Breaston. Pittsburgh is good about locking up their core players. I think that is a good philosophy to follow. Hope to keep Boldin but I have no idea if we can keep all the good receivers we have (money). Have we given up on dealing with him during the season? He is playing with an injury which might keep the Cards from having talks to make sure this injury is not going to last all season.

I was worried after JVille scored that TD at the start of the 4th qtr and thought Kurt would be back in. Obviously Coach knew best and did not want to embarrass Leinart. Glad he put him in as we will not start many qtrs. with that kind of lead. Saved Kurt to fight another day. Was Kurt even sacked once? He flat can get rid of the ball in a hurry and usually knows exactly where his outlet man is supposed to be. He made a number of play changes at the line recognizing blitz situations.

It sure looked like the stadium was almost half empty. I did not hear the head count be it reminded me of the old Sun Devil Days. Jerry Jones new TV cost over $400 million. There were years gone by when the Cards franchise was not worht that much

Arkansas has a new QB (sophmore) who transferred from Michigan. He is 6'8" tall and can throw bullets. We lost to Georgia but still scored 41 points and he threw for around 360 yards and a bunch of touchdowns. People are going to read about this guy in the future. He is the tallest QB I have ever seen and can see over any defense. I read that a very strong QB can throw a football at 45 mph. A quarter horse has crossed the finsh line at 50 mph, a cheetah can run 70 mph, Bolt can run 23 mph, a bear can run a surprising 40 mph, and a greyhound can get it on at 45 mph in just 3 strides.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The thing is that pass did'nt need to be thrown where it was when Fitzgerald was completly alone by himself.Matt throws the ball high.When Kurt does it and the best of the best drop it he gets thrown under the bus also here on the board.I think Matt should get the same thing Warner does right?How many dropped balls last week on drive continuing plays?I know of many.

Thats why this is my last post on a Warner /Leinart thread.I asked the other one that was brought up to be locked so this kind of thread would'nt continue.It only breeds trouble.I fell into my own trap.

I'm not a Warner apologist.Nor a Warnerphile whatever that is.Yet I allow myself to be called one as a joke.The kid could be younger than my son.I just like how he handles himself outside and on the field.We have the same belief system. See how this gets me into trouble.

I don't want to be treated as the hated poster who likes someone that everyone else hates.On the major board you are even put on ignore.I post about all 53 people on this team.Not just one.I know all 53 and we need them all to make this work.

I'm having brain surgery soon on my pituitary gland in my brain so I can plead the fifth right? Take pity on me and just let this post slide on out of the way okay.I won't respond to it.Sorry if I hurt anyones feelings.

Peace

Warnerphile is the opposite of Warnerphobe...

My best wishes on the surgery.

 

[Mulli]

For the last time, it is NOT a slam on Warner to say you think Leinart looked solid yesterday. It is NOT a slam on Leinart to say Warner should keep starting.

Fer chrissakes, Warner set an NFL completion record yesterday. No one in the history of the league has done what he's done, yet so many of you look at Leinart and say "well, he's no warner." No ****. He's likely not going to be, but that doesn't mean he's not an NFL starting-calibre QB.

wourd up!!

 

[earthsci]

For the last time, it is NOT a slam on Warner to say you think Leinart looked solid yesterday. It is NOT a slam on Leinart to say Warner should keep starting.

Fer chrissakes, Warner set an NFL completion record yesterday. No one in the history of the league has done what he's done, yet so many of you look at Leinart and say "well, he's no warner." No ****. He's likely not going to be, but that doesn't mean he's not an NFL starting-calibre QB.

clapping:clapping:clapping:

 

[40yearfan]

What ever happened to the "team" concept? We won and won substantially. Who cares what the QB looked like or who it was?

 

[8ndkorner]

Leinart was suppose to come in and run the clock out and NO he did not do that.....He gave the damn ball back so quick everytime that they almost came back and beat us....the kid isn't ready! PERIOD!

Elvis, they'll never get it.

 

[earthsci]

Elvis, they'll never get it.

Yeah, we get it. Leinart sucks.

 

[8ndkorner]

Nope. Sorry Chris. Leinart was 3 for 6 and should have been 5 for 6, if not for dropped balls, but we can tell that he won't make it. Meanwhile, Kurt crapped the bed for four pre-season games and the first regular season game, with high, sailing passes (your concern about Leinart, right 82?) but we all knew that he would be fine. How dare anyone question whether Warner was going to do well!!

Oh yeah, and a super bowl run. But this team has a long history of facts like that.

 

[earthsci]

Oh yeah, and a super bowl run. But this team has a long history of facts like that.

Whatever. I wasn't part of the crowd that was calling for Warner to be benched. I'm just sick of hearing the ******** excuses that you Warnerphiles make about why he didn't do well but won't let those excuses apply for Leinart. I'm more than happy with the QB situation.

 

[earthsci]

Elvis, they'll never get it.

This post ...

Dude. Let it go. No one here hates Warner. Everyone wants him to take us back to the super bowl. Just because we also might believe in Leinart doesn't mean we don't like Warner. It's not either/or.