Kwame Brown Needs a One-Game Suspension

[jibikao]

What the hell is wrong with finger pointing? Seriously, stop tripping about Kobe. My lord.

Because it's annoying and un-called for? And I feel like I want to punch Kobe? That's good enough reason. And don't Lord me. Like I said, I didn't hate Kobe before this series. I never know he is like THIS. It's good to know why I see so many I Hate Kobe threads out there. There is a reason.

 

[D-Dogg]

Not my words, but they are appropriate:

Can't say he shot too much..
Can't say he is a ball hog...
Can't say he is not involving his teammates...

So let's make fun of him when he points his finger.

I can only hope that the Suns players are half as worked up as some fans are when Kobe wags that finger...if they are he should start wagging it during tipoff. I never knew that it was so powerful, especially with the pointer finger. I guess Dikembe Mutumbo was onto something...

 

[D-Dogg]

Like I said, I didn't hate Kobe before this series. I never know he is like THIS.

Originally said by Kobe Bryant:

Hate me .... for my swagger.

Realize that people love him for the exact same reasons.

Why don't you hate Raja for his parking lot comments? Why do you celebrate Kurt Thomas and his Crazy Eyes? Because those are your guys.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

A total jackass move by Kwame, I am equally disappointed in the Suns for not sticking up for their teammate, and for Boris for not sticking up for himself.

 

[D-Dogg]

Ok Jib, I just watched the replay of that little deal.

Why was Kobe talking and waving the finger? You really want to know? I hope you have the game saved because I want you to go back and look, at slo mo.

8:12 of the third quarter:

Diaw and Kwame go for loose ball, Diaw's arm over Kwame's...Kwame extends his arm up and pushes out, knocking Diaw down (nothing hits his head or any elbow thrown, nothing like that) and Kwame stands over him. Smush runs to Kwame to push him back. Kobe coming up to Kwame too, as a ref steps between him and Lamar to get to the action.

Thomas comes over, Bell runs over, Marion points at Kwame. Nash comes running all the way downcourt from halfcourt, and immediatly goes right up to Kobe, who is heading towards HIS teammate, Kwame.

Kobe is looking at Smush and Kwame, head turned to the left of screen, and Nash comes and PUSHES Kobe in the side of his shoulders, rocking him back off his feet. Kobe turns and locks arms with Nash. They start jawing, and Kobe puts his finger out and starts yelling at Nash...they are pushed away from each other. Diaw gets up.

Ref takes Kobe back the baseline while he's pointing and yelling at Nash. Kobe is angry as hell, then starts telling the ref "let me go get my teammates, let me get my teammates." He then goes and takes a bit of mess and then pushes all of his teammates back behind the baseline away from the action. He then works on calming down Kwame.

Clear as a freaking bell on replay. Unmistakeable that Nash instigates this action. Unprovoked, and from mid-court, he runs down and pushes Kobe.

Now, you are moaning that Kobe is out of line here?

Doubt me? Go back and watch it in slo mo...it's right there. I've already shown you I don't BS. Your golden boy Nash is not the angel you want him to be...and he deserved the finger in the face. He probably deserved much more for pushing a dude who was not doing a thing other than making sure his guy wasn't going to be in a fight.

I never thought Nash was like THIS.

 

[golfcardfan]

garbage officiating expected nothing less in LA if it was one of our players that pulled what Kwame did the would have been ejected period. Kwame should have been gone uncalled for bush league however you want to say it. Shoot if it were one of the suns players did what walton did in the first minute of the game they probally would have ejected them. the officiating towards the lakers has been sickening to watch. When the suns start playing their game BAM here come the phantom fouls to slow the game down its rediculous like Phil owns the refs or something.

 

[D-Dogg]

like Phil owns the refs or something.

Phil has owned refs his entire career. He's a master at calling them out and making him call things his way.

It's part of why he's such a valuable coach...and an asset in any playoff series.

This isn't news. And it isn't wrong. If D'Antoni is going to step up and become as great a post-season coach as he is a spectacular regular season coach (COY this year, no matter if Avery has the trophy) he's going to have to learn to work the refs better.

 

[golfcardfan]

Should Phils ownership of the refs make the better team lose? Just a question. why a team that barely makes the playoffs get all the calls the lakers are getting is just ludicrous! Garbage!

 

[Evil Ash]

Ok Jib, I just watched the replay of that little deal.

Why was Kobe talking and waving the finger? You really want to know? I hope you have the game saved because I want you to go back and look, at slo mo.

8:12 of the third quarter:

Diaw and Kwame go for loose ball, Diaw's arm over Kwame's...Kwame extends his arm up and pushes out, knocking Diaw down (nothing hits his head or any elbow thrown, nothing like that) and Kwame stands over him. Smush runs to Kwame to push him back. Kobe coming up to Kwame too, as a ref steps between him and Lamar to get to the action.

Thomas comes over, Bell runs over, Marion points at Kwame. Nash comes running all the way downcourt from halfcourt, and immediatly goes right up to Kobe, who is heading towards HIS teammate, Kwame.

Kobe is looking at Smush and Kwame, head turned to the left of screen, and Nash comes and PUSHES Kobe in the side of his shoulders, rocking him back off his feet. Kobe turns and locks arms with Nash. They start jawing, and Kobe puts his finger out and starts yelling at Nash...they are pushed away from each other. Diaw gets up.

Ref takes Kobe back the baseline while he's pointing and yelling at Nash. Kobe is angry as hell, then starts telling the ref "let me go get my teammates, let me get my teammates." He then goes and takes a bit of mess and then pushes all of his teammates back behind the baseline away from the action. He then works on calming down Kwame.

Clear as a freaking bell on replay. Unmistakeable that Nash instigates this action. Unprovoked, and from mid-court, he runs down and pushes Kobe.

Now, you are moaning that Kobe is out of line here?

Doubt me? Go back and watch it in slo mo...it's right there. I've already shown you I don't BS. Your golden boy Nash is not the angel you want him to be...and he deserved the finger in the face. He probably deserved much more for pushing a dude who was not doing a thing other than making sure his guy wasn't going to be in a fight.

I never thought Nash was like THIS.

You're right it wasn't to the face it was to the top part of his chest/neck area. However he did lead with his forearm/elbow and threw his weight into him.

I have the damn replay paused on my Tivo. He could have avoided that easily. Still a cheapshot no matter how you spin it

Don't believe me? It was 8:13 left in the qtr with 8 seconds left on the shot clock.

 

[D-Dogg]

You're right it wasn't to the face it was to the top part of his chest/neck area. However he did lead with his forearm/elbow and threw his weight into him.

I have the damn replay paused on my Tivo. He could have avoided that easily. Still a cheapshot no matter how you spin it

Yes, I agree it was kind of a cheap shot Kwame took, though he came up under Diaw's arm. But not suspendable IMO...though like I said the league MAY take concern over Kwame going Ali and standing over Diaw...that's my worry.

Since you have it on tivo, do you also see Nash run in and push Kobe as he was looking at Smush pushing Kwame back off of the top of Diaw?

 

[Evil Ash]

Yes, I agree it was kind of a cheap shot Kwame took, though he came up under Diaw's arm. But not suspendable IMO...though like I said the league MAY take concern over Kwame going Ali and standing over Diaw...that's my worry.

Since you have it on tivo, do you also see Nash run in and push Kobe as he was looking at Smush pushing Kwame back off of the top of Diaw?

I'm using ESPnews so they cut off before then but I can believe it.

You're right it may be the standing over him and taunting them that crossed the line. I can see an argument on the hit (heat of the moment, having arms tangled but that would still be probably suspendable but I could see a case) but in an already tense game to give him a cheap shot and then stand over him, staring at him is inexcusable and will probably be his undoing.

 

[sly fly]

**** officiating. However, it has NOTHING to do with the Suns not winning.

(Walton should have been thrown out. Hammering a defenseless player should not come w/o repurcussions.)

Marion had a chance to make it a 1 pt. game late, but he clanked it... again. I'm just extremely disappointed in his play, once again (20 meaningless pts. notwithstanding).

Walton and Sasha are being made to look like Superstars. Wrong. Nope. It's hilarious watching these 2 go off.

No Amare. No KT. No effective Brian Grant. That was my worry when KT went down. Battling in the NBA with no one over 6'10" is a monstrous task. There's no 2 ways about it.

Crap. I'm laying some serious $$$ on PHX on the moneyline next game. Figuring the line will be + 135. There's no way in hell PHX doesn't come out fired up. Maybe I'm wrong. If only the PHX team we know shows up... Not only does PHX win, but they're going to win going away. Maybe I'll think otherwise in the morning...

 

[D-Dogg]

Not only does PHX win, but they're going to win going away. Maybe I'll think otherwise in the morning...

I think you should rethink that in the morning. I don't think Kobe and Phil are going to let the Lakers get too confident..they are playing the underdog role and will relish it on their home court with a chance to take a 3-1 lead. They are in a great position to steal this series and what they are doing is working.

If Kwame pulls a 1 game out of this, then you should probably bet the farm on the Suns. He's key.

 

[sly fly]

I think you should rethink that in the morning. I don't think Kobe and Phil are going to let the Lakers get too confident..they are playing the underdog role and will relish it on their home court with a chance to take a 3-1 lead. They are in a great position to steal this series and what they are doing is working.

If Kwame pulls a 1 game out of this, then you should probably bet the farm on the Suns. He's key.

Nah, I don't think so. Sounds like you're the one who's getting a bit overconfident.

How the hell do you know what Kobe and Phil are thinking? Much less Lama, Kwama, and Sasha are thinking?

The only thing that is working for LA is that Marion decided to become a part-time contributor. Just 1-2 MONTHS AGO, Marion was playing at MVP levels. Suddenly, Marion decides to get a bad case of the yips. ADVANTAGE: Lakers.

Ddogg, don't kid yourself. PHX is playing very poorly. Some of it has to do with a nice gameplan employed by Kobe (not Phil). And, MOST of it has to do with PHX playing like a .500 team. Their best player is out... along with the banger they brought in to play with him.

Enjoy your little 1st round orgasm while it lasts.

 

[sly fly]

BTW, Ddogg... I commend you for being a pretty stand-up Laker fan. I can't really argue against too much of what you've been saying...

I do know that Sunday will be a good day. I've watched this team play like crap for the last month (aside from a game here and there)... but we know what's in store when they get it going. There's not much Phil or Kome can do when PHX starts raining J's from all over.

This game has moneyline written all over it. It's going to be a good day.

 

[D-Dogg]

Nah, I don't think so. Sounds like you're the one who's getting a bit overconfident.

How the hell do you know what Kobe and Phil are thinking? Much less Lama, Kwama, and Sasha are thinking?

Firstly, thanks for the props on the other post. I respect all of you guys and enjoy the debates.

Secondly, I have read a ton on Phil's thinking, and Kobe's mentality, both in books by Roland Lazenby and articles and from their own interviews. I feel like I have a good insight into how they approach big games when down, and big games when up. I am confident in how they will approach game 4...how it plays out is another story.

Nobody knows what Lamar or Kwame think...they are conflicted dudes mentally. Sasha however, is an easy read. He's a competitor and is as much like Kobe mentally as anyone in the league, but with a tiny percent of the talent.

Dogfight, this series is.

 

[D-Dogg]

Ddogg, don't kid yourself. PHX is playing very poorly. Some of it has to do with a nice gameplan employed by Kobe (not Phil).

Did you mean to say employed by Phil, (not Kobe)? Because if not, I find that comment really interesting, and would love for you to go into more detail on that.

 

[sly fly]

Did you mean to say employed by Phil, (not Kobe)? Because if not, I find that comment really interesting, and would love for you to go into more detail on that.

I really believe the players on the court look to Kobe before Phil. Hell, it's not difficult to see Kobe can score on almost every possesion if he wanted to. The guy is a freak beyond freaks.

The guys on the team know Kobe is deferring to them. They don't want to let Kobe down. If they do, Kobe is the 1st to let them know.

Phil is the "pacifier". He'll let them know when they get out of line, but generally is too busy dealing with other factors (refs, refs, refs, etc).

Phils sets the gameplan. Kobe employs it (or, has been for the last 3 games, anyway).

 

[elindholm]

D-Dogg, it's a gross distortion to say that Brown was just "extending his arm." He threw an elbow at Diaw's face. If you ask 1000 neutral observers about that, at least 999 of them will give you that story.

Nash has been seeking out Bryant to get in his face. I don't know why, but I suspect it comes from Game 1 when Vujacic (?) tried to punk Nash, Nash brushed him off, and Bryant tried to make a big deal of it. That clearly pissed Nash off and I think he's had Bryant on his s-list ever since. Not saying it's right or wrong.

Sly fly, I admire your courage, but the Suns will lose Game 4, probably by at least 10 points. I'm planning not to watch it. There's some chance that the Suns will show up for Game 5. If that happens, it's still a series, because they might be able to ride the momentum to a Game 6 win.

But as of now, the Suns are getting killed by Marion's lack of life and heart. He has the worst body language of anyone on the floor, he can't make a layup, and he keeps fumbling rebounds. With Nash pressing, Bell wearing himself out on defense, and Barbosa unable to make a shot, the Suns don't have much margin for error left. Marion is wiping that out, and I don't see how that's going to change.

 

[Nashfan]

If Artest, Posey and Haslem got supensions for their actions then surely Kwame definately deserves a suspension for his. I also think Walton deserves one also, there is no place for this type of stuff that those two did in last nights game. It sends a very bad message to people that they can get away with this type of action. Why Kwame was not ejected last night is beyond me. I saw what James Posey of the Miami Heat did to Kirk Hinrich, as I watched that game and what Kwame did was just as bad if not worse. Kwame did swing his elbow towards Diaw's face as I replayed it in slow motion. The standing over Diaw is also just plain ridiculious (spelling?). Kobe also needed a technical because if you watch the replay he pushes the one ref that was trying to get him to back off from the situation and I thought you were not allowed to touch the ref's in this manner. If anyone remembers correctly in one game this year Robert Horry of the Spurs put his hands on a ref and was suspended one game. Kobe needs to quit showing up the ref's and they need the balls to give him a tech every time he does. Like pulling up his shirt over his head when he clearly fouled Barbosa when he was in the air and a few other times yelling at ref's. They seem to bow down to him and Phil Jackson no matter what they do. While I know our team is not playing great at all there is no place for all this violence by the Lakers. It needs to be addressed by the league.

 

[jibikao]

Ok Jib, I just watched the replay of that little deal.

Why was Kobe talking and waving the finger? You really want to know? I hope you have the game saved because I want you to go back and look, at slo mo.

8:12 of the third quarter:

Diaw and Kwame go for loose ball, Diaw's arm over Kwame's...Kwame extends his arm up and pushes out, knocking Diaw down (nothing hits his head or any elbow thrown, nothing like that) and Kwame stands over him. Smush runs to Kwame to push him back. Kobe coming up to Kwame too, as a ref steps between him and Lamar to get to the action.

Thomas comes over, Bell runs over, Marion points at Kwame. Nash comes running all the way downcourt from halfcourt, and immediatly goes right up to Kobe, who is heading towards HIS teammate, Kwame.

Kobe is looking at Smush and Kwame, head turned to the left of screen, and Nash comes and PUSHES Kobe in the side of his shoulders, rocking him back off his feet. Kobe turns and locks arms with Nash. They start jawing, and Kobe puts his finger out and starts yelling at Nash...they are pushed away from each other. Diaw gets up.

Ref takes Kobe back the baseline while he's pointing and yelling at Nash. Kobe is angry as hell, then starts telling the ref "let me go get my teammates, let me get my teammates." He then goes and takes a bit of mess and then pushes all of his teammates back behind the baseline away from the action. He then works on calming down Kwame.

Clear as a freaking bell on replay. Unmistakeable that Nash instigates this action. Unprovoked, and from mid-court, he runs down and pushes Kobe.

Now, you are moaning that Kobe is out of line here?

Doubt me? Go back and watch it in slo mo...it's right there. I've already shown you I don't BS. Your golden boy Nash is not the angel you want him to be...and he deserved the finger in the face. He probably deserved much more for pushing a dude who was not doing a thing other than making sure his guy wasn't going to be in a fight.

I never thought Nash was like THIS.

Yes, I doubt you. You are a Faker fan so our point of view will always be different. Mind you, who started all this? Brown. He elbowed Diaw first and then stood over him like he wants to punch him. Nash is the captain. He ran over there to stop things because knowing Kobe (who just pushed Diaw into the crowd in first quarter if you FORGOT), he will jump in and start causing trouble.

Nash complains just like everyone else but at least he isn't finger pointing like accusing somebody else.

 

[D-Dogg]

Yes, I doubt you. You are a Faker fan so our point of view will always be different. Mind you, who started all this? Brown. He elbowed Diaw first and then stood over him like he wants to punch him. Nash is the captain. He ran over there to stop things because knowing Kobe (who just pushed Diaw into the crowd in first quarter if you FORGOT), he will jump in and start causing trouble.

Nash complains just like everyone else but at least he isn't finger pointing like accusing somebody else.

Jib, I have but three words. Watch The Tape. Until you do that, you should cease spouting off about what happened. Your guy pushed Kobe, and there was no need for that...the situation was actually getting resolved until Nash escalated it.

 

[jibikao]

Jib, I have but three words. Watch The Tape. Until you do that, you should cease spouting off about what happened. Your guy pushed Kobe, and there was no need for that...the situation was actually getting resolved until Nash escalated it.

It won't change my view on Kobe now. But hey, he is still very talented. You can spin it and say Nash is a dick. I don't care. I am not here to love to Fakers on this Suns board and I don't even know why you are arguing with me.

 

[zolo]

you all need to watch the replay again. Diaw should get a one game suspension for kicking kwame in the balls. your team should play a clean game and stop trying to hurt other players.

 

[green machine]

you all need to watch the replay again. Diaw should get a one game suspension for kicking kwame in the balls. your team should play a clean game and stop trying to hurt other players.

That's funny, because I was under the impression that Kwame didn't have any...