Kyler has hamstring injury

[slanidrac16]

The o- line is not great. Kyler is not great. Our play calling is surely not great. Our play designs are not great. The offenses execution is not great.
Yet we never move the pocket. Defenses know exactly where to find Kyler. Yes once in a while he escapes on a broken play. We continue the stupid wide receiver screens that have an average of 1.5 yards.
It’s not as simple as the o-line sucks. Kyler sucks. Kingsbury sucks. If all 3 aren’t on the same page the offense will sputter. More often then not one or more of those three things executing results in piss poor performance.

 

[BritCard]

The o- line is not great. Kyler is not great. Our play calling is surely not great. Our play designs are not great. The offenses execution is not great.
Yet we never move the pocket. Defenses know exactly where to find Kyler. Yes once in a while he escapes on a broken play. We continue the stupid wide receiver screens that have an average of 1.5 yards.
It’s not as simple as the o-line sucks. Kyler sucks. Kingsbury sucks. If all 3 aren’t on the same page the offense will sputter. More often then not one or more of those three things executing results in piss poor performance.

I don't know how people can keep saying this when the film thread shows a dozen plays where Kyler is clean, the play design is good, receivers are open and Kyler lays an egg.

As if this isn't singularly the biggest reason the offense sucks.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't know how people can keep saying this when the film thread shows a dozen plays where Kyler is clean, the play design is good, receivers are open and Kyler lays an egg.

As if this isn't singularly the biggest reason the offense sucks.

My point is no team is great at all the phases mentioned. But the good teams certainly seem to overcome by executing, good play calling, minimizing mistakes and Qb play.
I agree the Qb is playing below expectation with play calling second. Those two things are the main reason for our failure.

 

[BritCard]

My point is no team is great at all the phases mentioned. But the good teams certainly seem to overcome by executing, good play calling, minimizing mistakes and Qb play.
I agree the Qb is playing below expectation with play calling second. Those two things are the main reason for our failure.

OK. When people say play calling they really mean the screens right?

 

[DaHilg]

OK. When people say play calling they really mean the screens right?

Assume you are just trying to egg people on by that comment.. or you literally know nothing about an NFL offense

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I can't see a scrambling QB playing with a hamstring injury. They are brutal, especially cause they are re-injured so easily by any quick or sudden movement to sprint. If Kyler can't move, he is useless, isn't he?

 

[BritCard]

I can't see a scrambling QB playing with a hamstring injury. They are brutal, especially cause they are re-injured so easily by any quick or sudden movement to sprint. If Kyler can't move, he is useless, isn't he?

I think it's being over exaggerated. He played over 2 quarters with it on Sunday including several runs.

 

[AZfaninMN]

OK. When people say play calling they really mean the screens right?

Screenshots from the examples you provide on the Seahawks part two of poor play design:

First one 3 wide receivers in the middle of the field within 8 yards of eachother.

Second one is a 2 man route. No underneath and no deep threat when he finally moved the pocket. First time all season I think

Third one has 3 wide receivers from the hash to the numbers at the same point on the field. One vertical one post one corner route but the corner is able to drop deep enough to help the safety because they’re within a couple of yards of each other.

Number four has Ertz and Anderson running directly towards each other 15 yards downfield.

Seattle is a well known zone heavy scheme, so when multiple receivers are in the same area of the field, they can be covered by the one guy manning that zone.

 

[BritCard]

Screenshots from the examples you provide on the Seahawks part two of poor play design:

First one 3 wide receivers in the middle of the field within 8 yards of eachother.

Second one is a 2 man route. No underneath and no deep threat when he finally moved the pocket. First time all season I think

Third one has 3 wide receivers from the hash to the numbers at the same point on the field. One vertical one post one corner route but the corner is able to drop deep enough to help the safety because they’re within a couple of yards of each other.

Number four has Ertz and Anderson running directly towards each other 15 yards downfield.

Seattle is a well known zone heavy scheme, so when multiple receivers are in the same area of the field, they can be covered by the one guy manning that zone.

And?

1, Nothing at all unusual about this. All 3 are running different routes to different areas and when you took this picture Kyler isn't looking to throw, he's on the move.

2, And? Ertz is wide open. Kyler throws a bad pass. It's a 2 man route because it was a run fake. They put Kyler under center which is nearly always run and sold it with a 13 personnel package. It's a well designed play and it worked which is how Ertz got open behind the LB's. Just a bad throw.

3. See point one. It's bad for receivers to be running the same route or stood in the same area. It's not bad for them to pass near to each other while running different routes to different areas. Hopkins is open on this. There's 35 feet between Anderson and Rondale with Nuk splitting them.

4. You took this picture well after the ball is supposed to be out and Kyler is sacked. Both are running deep digs. They are nowhere near each other. Ertz was wide open and Hopkins is stood there with his hands in the air.


This is weak sauce.

 

[AZfaninMN]

And?

1, Nothing at all unusual about this. All 3 are running different routes to different areas and when you took this picture Kyler isn't looking to throw, he's on the move.

2, And? Ertz is wide open. Kyler throws a bad pass. It's a 2 man route because it was a run fake. They put Kyler under center which is nearly always run and sold it with a 13 personnel package. It's a well designed play and it worked which is how Ertz got open behind the LB's. Just a bad throw.

3. See point one. It's bad for receivers to be running the same route or stood in the same area. It's not bad for them to pass near to each other while running different routes to different areas. Hopkins is open on this. There's 35 feet between Anderson and Rondale with Nuk splitting them.

4. You took this picture well after the ball is supposed to be out and Kyler is sacked. Both are running deep digs. They are nowhere near each other. Ertz was wide open and Hopkins is stood there with his hands in the air.


This is weak sauce.

Kyler is scrambling because of a lack of pocket. He’s already supposed to have thrown the ball according to some of the posts you’ve made. If that’s the case all 3 WRs are in the same spot rendering them useless.

Wide open if Kyler throws it back across his body, big no no in the nfl, and is able to locate him through all the traffic instantly with zero game reps on this play.

Context matters when saying someone is open. The corner that Hopkins is “open” against is Tariq Woolen. Rookie? Yes. He also is a former WR with excellent ball skills at a size that is bigger than all of our WRs that play. By the time the ball has reached the “open” Hopkins, the corner has enough time to fly and make another leaping INT against us.

Why on gods green earth would you run the same route on opposite sides of the field to where they would run into each other? I’m not saying that this is where the ball should go. I’m saying those 2 are useless running into each other and if the ball were thrown to them, they’d probably run into each other and not make a catch.

 

[PACardsFan]

Kyler is scrambling because of a lack of pocket. He’s already supposed to have thrown the ball according to some of the posts you’ve made. If that’s the case all 3 WRs are in the same spot rendering them useless.

Wide open if Kyler throws it back across his body, big no no in the nfl, and is able to locate him through all the traffic instantly with zero game reps on this play.

Context matters when saying someone is open. The corner that Hopkins is “open” against is Tariq Woolen. Rookie? Yes. He also is a former WR with excellent ball skills at a size that is bigger than all of our WRs that play. By the time the ball has reached the “open” Hopkins, the corner has enough time to fly and make another leaping INT against us.

Why on gods green earth would you run the same route on opposite sides of the field to where they would run into each other? I’m not saying that this is where the ball should go. I’m saying those 2 are useless running into each other and if the ball were thrown to them, they’d probably run into each other and not make a catch.

Wrong narrative my friend. Don’t you know by now that Murray is the main culprit. All you have to do is watch that first episode of Hard Knocks & it’s quite obvious that this team thinks KK is a joke. And he is. If Bidwill can’t see that, then he’s dumber than I even thought. There isn’t a QB in the NFL that could produce under the circumstances that Murray finds himself, but we’ll wait and see how it all plays out. No one has been around longer than I have to see how the Bidwill’s destroy talent. I’m at that point where I hope that Murray escapes so he can have an opportunity to win.

 

[BritCard]

Why on gods green earth would you run the same route on opposite sides of the field to where they would run into each other? I’m not saying that this is where the ball should go. I’m saying those 2 are useless running into each other and if the ball were thrown to them, they’d probably run into each other and not make a catch.

Their not. They're never supposed to be near each other and never would be.

They aren't near each other in the shot. They are 20 ft apart. Both have stopped and the play is over.

 

[AZfaninMN]

Their not. They're never supposed to be near each other and never would be.

They aren't near each other in the shot. They are 20 ft apart. Both have stopped and the play is over.

I have no idea how to copy and paste a video that you posted on here from my phone, but he’s another screenshot as the play is further along. Obviously they didn’t just stop their routes and were heading right towards each other. Also 20ft apart on a 15 yard throw is not good spacing when a team is playing zone. They could be covered by the same player if that’s the case.

 

[AZfaninMN]

I have no idea how to copy and paste a video that you posted on here from my phone, but he’s another screenshot as the play is further along. Obviously they didn’t just stop their routes and were heading right towards each other. Also 20ft apart on a 15 yard throw is not good spacing when a team is playing zone. They could be covered by the same player if that’s the case.

Just for ***** and gigs, here’s the 2 crossing paths only a yard apart.

 

[DaHilg]

Just for ***** and gigs, here’s the 2 crossing paths only a yard apart.

Put ‘em in a Bodybag! I almost feel bad for Britt.. but I don’t

 

[BritCard]

I have no idea how to copy and paste a video that you posted on here from my phone, but he’s another screenshot as the play is further along. Obviously they didn’t just stop their routes and were heading right towards each other. Also 20ft apart on a 15 yard throw is not good spacing when a team is playing zone. They could be covered by the same player if that’s the case.

The is well over they are just jogging.

The play is designed to be well over before they get near each other and Ertz was side open so not sure what your point is.

 

[AZfaninMN]

The is well over they are just jogging.

The play is designed to be well over before they get near each other and Ertz was side open so not sure what your point is.

Running the same route into the same zone against a zone team with no one directly underneath them to draw the linebacker in. This whole conversation started because Kliff’s play calling was called into question. You mentioned the screen passes and I brought you examples of players close together downfield against a zone scheme. I used only the handful of plays that you provided on the other thread. Once again not defending Kyler, but providing examples of how Kliff is not good at his job.

 

[slanidrac16]

OK. When people say play calling they really mean the screens right?

That is the biggest problem. It consistently knocks us off schedule. I don’t mind those plays once in while later in the game when the defense is on their heels.
In addition, Lack of movement. Lack of putting Kyler under center. Lack of moving Murray out of the pocket by design.
Mix in a penalty, a missed assignment on the o- line , a dropped pass, and a Qb that too often throws late, fixates on a receiver or simply throws to the wrong receiver and this is what we get.

 

[BritCard]

Running the same route into the same zone against a zone team with no one directly underneath them to draw the linebacker in. This whole conversation started because Kliff’s play calling was called into question. You mentioned the screen passes and I brought you examples of players close together downfield against a zone scheme. I used only the handful of plays that you provided on the other thread. Once again not defending Kyler, but providing examples of how Kliff is not good at his job.

So your example is Ertz being wide open for a big gain? OK.

 

[AZfaninMN]

So your example is Ertz being wide open for a big gain? OK.

Lol. Ok, I provided 4 plays of the possible 8(I think) that you put work on in the other thread, yet your fixated on Ertz being open even though him and Anderson are running directly towards one another. The other examples you’ve chosen to ignore to fit your narrative. Ertz is open, but why run two receivers directly into each other 15 yards downfield? There should be different levels to this route. Not two in the same spot downfield.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Well, everyone can stop arguing for a week. It looks like crybaby Kyler isn’t going to play. We can argue about which backup QB sucks more. But I’m sure we will make Wafford look like a pro bowler again

 

[Chopper0080]

If Colt wins today, this board will be nuts.

 

[Syracusecards]

If Colt wins today, this board will be nuts.

I think you mean “when” Colt wins

 

[Shane]

I think you mean “when” Colt wins

 

[Syracusecards]

Offensive Player of the Week. Book it….. lol