Kyler Murray's Attitude

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A NY market team was never hiring a HC with zero NFL coaching experience. The Jets interview was a brilliant formula by Kliff’s agent to create interest/energy. Throughout this whole process Erik Burkhardt has taken Bidwill to the cleaners on multiple occasions.
Haha yeah the Jets who are smack dab in the middle of the viper pit known as the NY sports fan and media market were going to hire the guy just fired from Texas Tech. Only people who believed that nonsense are Keim and Bidwill.
 

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Brit treating Kliff as if he had a Steve Spurrier track record at Florida & not his actual record of constantly losing & collapsing seasons in his coaching career is hilarious.
There are a lot of posters who are loathe to ever admit they’re wrong, but Brit inability to do so takes it to an art form.
 

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The problem with Kliff is he can't just hand the reins to Kyler because Kyler has no interest in imposing his desires or preferences on the offense. I think he just wants to show up and mash buttons to make the scoreboard light up.
The article at the start of this thread says that Kyler wants more freedom in the offense, which seems to imply that he does want to impose his desires and preferences on the offense.
 

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The article at the start of this thread says that Kyler wants more freedom in the offense, which seems to imply that he does want to impose his desires and preferences on the offense.
I think freedom and structure are polar opposites in this case. If Kyler wants more room to improvise, that puts the burden on his teammates.

If you remember the Arians years, Bruce and Carson worked together on the initial game script of 20 or so plays. Kyler's too busy showing up late for meetings because he's Built Different.
 

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I think freedom and structure are polar opposites in this case. If Kyler wants more room to improvise, that puts the burden on his teammates.

If you remember the Arians years, Bruce and Carson worked together on the initial game script of 20 or so plays. Kyler's too busy showing up late for meetings because he's Built Different.
This all day.

Kyler thinks he is "built different" but is just another dude who peaked in high school. Loser couldn't beat out Baker "Bust" Mayfield after he couldn't hold down the starting spot for a drunk at A&M. And before I have to hear more "college Baker" excuses, Spencer Rattler was all Big 12 QB, won the Big 12 Championship, and was Big 12 Championship MVP the year before Riley benched him for Caleb Williams the following year. Good coaches play their best players.

Kyler is the kid in high school didn't need to study for tests but then used his lack of studying as an excuse when he got a bad grade on one and then got his dad to make the teacher let him retake it.
 

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Loser couldn't beat out Baker "Bust" Mayfield after he couldn't hold down the starting spot for a drunk at A&M. And before I have to hear more "college Baker" excuses, Spencer Rattler was all Big 12 QB, won the Big 12 Championship, and was Big 12 Championship MVP the year before Riley benched him for Caleb Williams the following year.
I got a question:

Are you a hardcore or casual College Football fan?

Cause this broad statement can go a lot of ways.
 

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That Spencer Rattler-Caleb Williams comparison makes no sense.

Spencer got benched because he played atrocious.

Baker never played atrocious so obviously he wasn’t going to get benched.

“College Baker excuses” lol huh? Imagine benching college Tim Tebow or college Pat White or college Vince Young.

College HC’s jobs are to do whatever it takes to win games, not worry about their players’ draft stock.
 

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I got a question:

Are you a hardcore or casual College Football fan?

Cause this broad statement can go a lot of ways.
I watch a lot of college football more because I enjoy the draft and like projecting players than because I like a certain team. I have watched a lot and for a long time. So, I would not say I am a hardcore fan but again, I watch a lot of it and follow the news.

I am feeling a bit aggressive today so I am aware that my post is a bit excessive.
 

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I watch a lot of college football more because I enjoy the draft and like projecting players than because I like a certain team. I have watched a lot and for a long time. So, I would not say I am a hardcore fan but again, I watch a lot of it and follow the news.

I am feeling a bit aggressive today so I am aware that my post is a bit excessive.
I imagined so because that post explains it, lol.
 

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That Spencer Rattler-Caleb Williams comparison makes no sense.

Spencer got benched because he played atrocious.

Baker never played atrocious so obviously he wasn’t going to get benched.

“College Baker excuses” lol huh? Imagine benching college Tim Tebow or college Pat White or college Vince Young.

College HC’s jobs are to do whatever it takes to win games, not worry about their players’ draft stock.
Spencer's issue was his play, Baker's was his shenanigans. Both created an avenue where the team could have made a change. Hell, Kyler started a game because of what Baker did vs Kansas. Point being that if the competition was close between Baker and Kyler, Riley had just as much of a reason to make a switch as he did when he benched Spencer for Williams. He just didn't because it wasn't close.

EDIT: This was an issue I had pre-draft. Kyler was comfortable being the backup and playing baseball. He didn't have that level of competitiveness in him and was content waiting around for it to be handed to him.
 

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How do we know?

I'm sure Kliff has a vision and that vision doesn't include a QB that shows no leadership, doesn't work hard enough and blames everyone else for their own failings.

Do any of us think that Kliff had a say in Kyler's early extention? Hard to believe he was telling Keim to get it done.
You're kidding right? Kyler IS Kliff's vision. It has been since Kyler has been in high school.
 

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I believe this.

Don’t believe he’s some person that would put fear in your heart whether mentally or physically.
Pure speculation on my part that I don't think Kyler has received a lot of very direct and critical feedback from people in his past and that I don't believe he would initially react well to it.
 

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Both created an avenue where the team could have made a change. Hell, Kyler started a game because of what Baker did vs Kansas.
You mean the ONE instance where Kansas initiated the beef, but Baker went overboard with the taunts? Not throwing untimely picks & fumbles like Rattler was doing?
Point being that if the competition was close between Baker and Kyler, Riley had just as much of a reason to make a switch as he did when he benched Spencer for Williams. He just didn't because it wasn't close.
He was never going to make the switch because Baker was playing phenomenal ball two years prior. His play was INCREASING, not DECREASING like Spencer’s. Riley literally had no reason to make the switch between Baker & Kyler. You might would have had a point if Baker was getting worse each year. Otherwise, this is a very point unless it’s just getting your rocks off with Kyler criticism.
 

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I believe this.

Don’t believe he’s some person that would put fear in your heart whether mentally or physically.
FWIW I think the list of NFL coaches who would be interested in dealing with Kyler after a first meeting is VANISHINGLY small. I don't think Shanahan or Arians or Belicheck or either Harbaugh would have fifteen minutes for Kyler Murray's nonsense.

Maybe Kyler responds to that by changing his mindset, but he's now 25 years old and had the life-altering money that he and his family feel are his birthright.
 

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Idk, I think balancing life between multiple sports would actually speak positive about someone’s competitiveness, not negative, but maybe that’s just me. @Chopper0080
 

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FWIW I think the list of NFL coaches who would be interested in dealing with Kyler after a first meeting is VANISHINGLY small. I don't think Shanahan or Arians or Belicheck or either Harbaugh would have fifteen minutes for Kyler Murray's nonsense.

Maybe Kyler responds to that by changing his mindset, but he's now 25 years old and had the life-altering money that he and his family feel are his birthright.
I believe older guys like Belichick, McDermott, Arians probably wouldn’t adapt to Kyler. One exception would be Reid. Jim would probably hate Kyler, but John, I get a different vibe from him.

Younger guys like Shanny, McVay, McDaniel, etc, I think would be very welcoming of Kyler, but that’s just me.
 

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Idk, I think balancing life between multiple sports would actually speak positive about someone’s competitiveness, not negative, but maybe that’s just me. @Chopper0080
In my life, I have not met any uber successful person who is "balanced". Every top level individual is obsessive to a fault especially when it comes to competing.

I agree that it probably makes Kyler a better "person" but it will limit him as a professional QB.

And to clarify, Kyler making it to the NFL is a measure of success. Same with getting a large contract. As a person, great for him. As someone who wants to see the Cardinals win a Super Bowl, he isn't it and it is a problem.
 

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I believe older guys like Belichick, McDermott, Arians probably wouldn’t adapt to Kyler. One exception would be Reid. Jim would probably hate Kyler, but John, I get a different vibe from him.

Younger guys like Shanny, McVay, McDaniel, etc, I think would be very welcoming of Kyler, but that’s just me.
I actually think that Shanny is more rigid in his offense than most other coaches in the NFL. I think that's why he can get a lot out of less-talented QBs than a lot of guys. The creativity he was looking for in Trey Lance definitely is within a broader structure. I don't think Kyler would get along with him at all.

I think the jury is very much out on whether Mike McDaniel is a good coach, so I'm not going to put him in the same conversation as Shanny and McVay. We'll see in a couple years.

McVay dumped a fairly solid QB in Goff because he was risk-averse. He hand-picked a QB in Stafford who worked within the structure of his offense and can make all the throws his offense dictates. I dunno.
 

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I believe older guys like Belichick, McDermott, Arians probably wouldn’t adapt to Kyler. One exception would be Reid. Jim would probably hate Kyler, but John, I get a different vibe from him.

Younger guys like Shanny, McVay, McDaniel, etc, I think would be very welcoming of Kyler, but that’s just me.
Disagree. Kyler is such an outlier is so many different ways. If you get past the physical stature issues, you have the work ethic. Get past the work ethic, you have the communication issues. You get past the communication issues, you have the leadership issues.

I mean, the best ones will find a way to make it work until they have a better option but not the first choice.
 
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