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What do you guys know about him...?


I do remember he was a projected top 5 or 10 guy in last years draft. I also remember him falling to the second round, and we passed on him and still took Zarko.


Is this guy a potential solid center in the NBA?


Will he help us at all?



I think he is only 18 years of age...
 

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He was supposed to be good, but his buyout scared many teams bucause there was a misunderstanding.
 

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When it comes to 18 year old 7 footers from Europe, it's always a crapshoot. He is more athletic than Jake Tsakalidis, less athletic than PejaStojakovic.

He has no back to the basket game, no D, but has a nice mid range jumpers. I guess he has potential, but it will take him years to develop into anything.
 

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Originally posted by SirStefan32
When it comes to 18 year old 7 footers from Europe, it's always a crapshoot. He is more athletic than Jake Tsakalidis, less athletic than PejaStojakovic.

He has no back to the basket game, no D, but has a nice mid range jumpers. I guess he has potential, but it will take him years to develop into anything.

Here are some of the profiles from the draft projections:

The Info:
6/23 - Can he do it all? No. Will he be the next Dirk? Probably not, but maybe no one will ever be. He's in the classic Euro mold, versatile with a nifty inside-outside game. You can't knock him for that. He can play both forward positions and is expected to grow to 7'1" or 7'2". Not bad for an 18 year old. He could be a special player, and that's why he'll go no later than 8.

The following is part of an article in the NY Daily News:

After Sweetney, Layden drafted Lampe, an 18-year-old who was rumored to be going as high as No.5.

Lampe fell out of the first round because he is under contract with Real Madrid through 2008, although his contract can be bought out for $1 million. Lampe wants to join the Knicks for next season but it is unclear if the Knicks will buy out his contract.

NBA teams were only notified yesterday morning that Lampe's contract with Real Madrid included a buyout clause. Under league rules, the Knicks could only pay up to $350,000 of that buyout. That means Lampe would have to pick up the rest, making it unlikely that he would join the Knicks.

"We had a buyout and the thing was that a letter from FIBA (basketball's international governing body) came in telling teams that I didn't have a buyout," Lampe said. "But I thought everyone pretty much knew about the contract situation."

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Here is SI review of him:

BIO: Lampe is a 6-11 native of Poland who possesses a rare blend of skills. He is an outstanding perimeter shooter who has been compared to Dallas Mavericks superstar Dirk Nowitzki and is considered one of Europe's rising stars. The 18-year-old Lampe spent most of this past season with Universidad Complutense in Spain, which plays in a league just below the country's top league. Lampe averaged 18.6 points and 7.5 rebounds in 17 games. Although Lampe is close to seven feet tall, he has tremendous quickness and outstanding ballhandling skills. He played briefly for Real Madrid this past season before being loaned to his current club. A member of the Polish national team, Lampe also played with Alvik in Sweden in the 2000-01 season.

ANALYSIS: Lampe is just 18 years old, but he's got a world of potential. He can shoot, handle the ball and has good quickness for a man his size, but he still might be better suited to play power forward, where he'll be tough to stop when he develops an arsenal of moves. His only drawback right now is his youth and inexperience, but most observers believe Lampe is a quick study.

POSITIVES: Lampe is a tremendous long-range shooter at 6-11. Furthermore, he is skilled with his back to the basket, unlike many face-up scorers at the 4-spot. However, Lampe is not just a 4. He can fit in at center and small forward as well.

NEGATIVES: Sure, he can shoot the rock, but can Lampe put himself in position to exploit that talent? There have been countless big men to come into the league with long-range prowess, but many of them were unable to accomplish anything because they lacked the quickness to create shots off the dribble. Lampe is not exactly light on his feet, so there is obvious reason for concern that he will be another imitator.

PROJECTION: Early First Round
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Also, here is

Chad Ford, ESPN.com, NBA Insider

"Given the Suns' lack of true big man, Lampe may be a perfect fit in coach Mike D'Antoni's system . He can run the floor, stretch the defense and is tough enough to go in and grab a rebound. He'll never be athletic enough to play the three, but he could definitely help at the five.
 

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well we've got one of the best big man coaches in ivaroni. hopefully he can do for lampe what he did for amare.:thumbup:
 
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Originally posted by SirStefan32
When it comes to 18 year old 7 footers from Europe, it's always a crapshoot. He is more athletic than Jake Tsakalidis, less athletic than PejaStojakovic.

He has no back to the basket game, no D, but has a nice mid range jumpers. I guess he has potential, but it will take him years to develop into anything.
How can a guy projected to be a top 5 pick, take "years" to develope into anything?

Sounds to me the guy has alot of talent. His game might end up working very well with Amare's. Lampe should beable to bring that Center out of the paint letting Amare go crazy inside.
 

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Originally posted by BEERZ
How can a guy projected to be a top 5 pick, take "years" to develope into anything?

Sounds to me the guy has alot of talent. His game might end up working very well with Amare's. Lampe should beable to bring that Center out of the paint letting Amare go crazy inside.

We don't know how raw he is. There were so many big guys on the Knicks he never had a chance to get any minutes. Last year the Suns had to play Amare and the rest is history.

BTW, if any of the schemes being floated on theis board to get rid of White came through, Lampe would have to play.
 

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Lampe was rated better than Z--much, much better. And yet, for all intents and purposes, we haven't had to wait years for him to come into his own. More like days--considering he had no training camp and only a few games before he got hammered by Fortson.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
Lampe was rated better than Z--much, much better. And yet, for all intents and purposes, we haven't had to wait years for him to come into his own. More like days--considering he had no training camp and only a few games before he got hammered by Fortson.

Lampe is about 5 years younger and much less experienced than Zarko. The key difference is that he is physically bigger (heavier and possibly even taller). Zarko's best position is SF, while Lampe has the ability to become a pretty good center.

There were a number of other reasons why so many teams missed on Zarko. He played with some great players on an awful team (they stopped paying the players, the coach was crazy, etc).
Also, ALEKSANDAR PAVLOVIC (of the Jazz) was on the team and did most of the shooting. Zarko's job was to take the ball to the basket rather than shoot, so no one knew he could.

Lampe did not play upper level ball, so his game is not as refined. None the less, I am really excited by what he can bring to the Suns.
 

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Scotsman and others who saw Lampe in the summer leagues,

How did he look? How did he do most of his damage scoring? Was he a decent defender? Tell us about him. He and Zarko Cabarkapa were the best players in the Utah summer league as far as I can tell.

Joe Mama
 
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The Suns didnt have him rated higher than Zarko (Master of the ?), But I read somewhere that if Zarko was not available they would of taken Lampe.


Sounds like we had three draft picks this last draft. Zarko, Lampe, Barbosa...

Then add Vujanic, Ginobili(I hope), Kobe(yea right), and finally Divac & our coach D'Antoni. And we should change the teams name to the EUROPEAN SUNS! :thumbup:
 

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The Suns might not have had him rated higher, but Lampe was considered a lottery pick--Z was not. In my book, that means that overall, Lampe was rated higher.

Vujanic was also a draft pick last year, albeit a second rounder.
 
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Yea I remember not knowing anything about either Zarko or Lampe but when Lampe fell to us I was like WOW we might get a lottery guy!

Then we still took Zarko so I figured the Suns must be real high on him...
 

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If you watch the Suns draft video part II on suns.com you can see a sheet which says

Cabarkapa


11. Lampe
12. Collison
13. Ridnour
14. Cook
15. Barbosa
16. Diaw

Then later Chapman says Barbosa is the only guy etc. So Barbosa was probably higher in their minds than they listed him on their board.
 

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Either that or because they already got Cabarkapa and wanted to fill another need.

Or because Chapman was simply crazy for Barbosa.
 

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I thought we also needed a point guard. I mean, we weren't going to go with Randy Brown again, and JJ as a point was still an experiment at the time. (One which failed, I might add)
 
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Thats true. There was a buyout, and as low as he was picked the Knicks had to over pay Lampe so he could afford to pay what was left of the buyout. The NBA only allows teams to pay a certian %, or is it only a total amount of like 350k?


Either way, the Suns knew thay had no Cap flexability, and the only way to improve was to get a guy(who would play this year) in the draft. Lampe was not a 100% sure thing that he was gunna play this year.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
Scotsman and others who saw Lampe in the summer leagues,

How did he look? How did he do most of his damage scoring? Was he a decent defender? Tell us about him. He and Zarko Cabarkapa were the best players in the Utah summer league as far as I can tell.

Joe Mama

during the summer leagues i saw the game where lampe and zarko went after each other. lampe did most of his damage with mid and long range shoots, he would move but i wouldnt say that he was really active like zarko. zarko first throught was to set up for a drive. he would pump **** and then drive and was very active all over the place, he moved without the ball (something a lot of players dont do very well). while with lampe he would move with the play and then wait for it to develop. i dont remember lampe passing but he is a good shooter. he is a position rebound and not an active rebounder (like amare and marion). lampe does run the floor but i will say that i dont believe that he is a run and jump player. i would be shocked to find out that he has a higher jump then jake (in otherwords his isnt going to be dunking a lot). i dont remember any passing from him so i cant say how that looked. basically i would say he isnt a player who you will see going inside on the offensive end.

defensive: he tries to stay with his man, he tries to play defensive. zarko did give him fits (heck i think zarko could give a lot of players fits). i think that you will see that he does try to play defense at this point but he isnt quick or strong at this point so he may have problems with some of those type of players.

that is all i can seem to remember, mostly i wasnt watching the game to watch him but to watch zarko.
 

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Thanks for the rundown.

One of the things that needs to be remembered, the Knicks were looking at him at small forward. The Suns are going to use him exclusively at center.

Some scouting reports said he has a low post game, others said he doesn't. What really matters is whether he can play the pick and roll. A pick and roll guy with a good jumper would be a huge plus.
 

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i think we will see him more of a high post center, like oliver miller was used in his second season. (i think i will never forget the pass that the big o make between ewing's legging). he has a good outside shot and i hear he is a good passer. then having amare post up down low and having jj or barbosa make the entery pass. if they double off those guys amare can pass out to both of them for a good outside shot.
 
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Originally posted by scotsman13
i think we will see him more of a high post center, like oliver miller was used in his second season. (i think i will never forget the pass that the big o make between ewing's legging). he has a good outside shot and i hear he is a good passer. then having amare post up down low and having jj or barbosa make the entery pass. if they double off those guys amare can pass out to both of them for a good outside shot.
Jeez, Miller was so talented want he? He "could" of been very good. Too bad.
 

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watching oliver his first couple seasons in the nba i always thought that he could ring up 10 point, 10 broad, 10 assist and 10 blocks in a game with easy if he could just keep his weight down around 270. i truely learned to love blocked shots with him in the middle. if there is one stat i wish that the suns could lead the nba in it is blocked shots :D
 

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Originally posted by scotsman13
watching oliver his first couple seasons in the nba i always thought that he could ring up 10 point, 10 broad, 10 assist and 10 blocks in a game with easy if he could just keep his weight down around 270. i truely learned to love blocked shots with him in the middle. if there is one stat i wish that the suns could lead the nba in it is blocked shots :D

I'd prefer point differential :thumbup:
 

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