Larry Fitzgerald wants Michael Floyd in Arizona

[Solar7]

Link?

$120 million dollars?!?!!? Guarantees near $50 million! That Fitz would have left is an Urban Myth. Just like Levi Brown suddenly became this great LT once he became a free agent.

Nobody is dumb enough to pay a backup QB $65 million just to keep a WR happy. Why not just tell Larry "here we'll give you another $65 million and you play with Double Duece". Do you think he'd say no?

Honestly? Yes. Another team would have easily paid Fitz the same. And he'd have solid to great QB play and another shot at a championship. The guy wants to win more than anything else, and it means a lot more to him than the cash. It was all about proving that this organization is committed to winning, regardless of whether or not the decision actually panned out. The risk was worth it.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

What Fitz wants Fitz gets.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Both guys from Minny. Who can come up with the most clever "Twin Cities" WR corps nickname???

 

[Duckjake]

Honestly? Yes. Another team would have easily paid Fitz the same. And he'd have solid to great QB play and another shot at a championship. The guy wants to win more than anything else, and it means a lot more to him than the cash. It was all about proving that this organization is committed to winning, regardless of whether or not the decision actually panned out. The risk was worth it.

Not true. Fitz has already been to the Super Bowl with Arizona. He IS the face of the franchise. No team could pay him enough to get him to leave a great situation like he has in Arizona.

Bringing in a backup level QB like Kolb and paying him an outrageous sum of money possibly kept them from getting better players at other positions. The worst trade in Cardinal history. Well trading OJ Anderson for two undisclosed draft picks in 1987 wasn't real bright but I digress.

Kolb is nothing more than a backup level talent. To have given up DRC and a 2nd round pick and multiple millions of dollars for him is just too Cardinal.

 

[Shane]

What Fitz wants Fitz gets.

Fitz wanted Peyton???

 

[Duckjake]

Both guys from Minny. Who can come up with the most clever "Twin Cities" WR corps nickname???

Twin Freaks?

 

[Phrazbit]

Honestly? Yes. Another team would have easily paid Fitz the same. And he'd have solid to great QB play and another shot at a championship. The guy wants to win more than anything else, and it means a lot more to him than the cash. It was all about proving that this organization is committed to winning, regardless of whether or not the decision actually panned out. The risk was worth it.

What contending team would have had the cap room to make a free agent WR that kind of offer?

The Cards gave Larry the largest contract for a receiver in NFL history, blowing the previous largest out of the water. Obviously its impossible to prove one way or the other, but knowing the way the NFL works I doubt there was even the slightest chance that Larry and his agent turn that offer down in the hopes to land something similar, and not only similar money, but on a contender, with an elite QB.

 

[joeshmo]

Alex Smith and Matt Hasselback humbly and respectfully disagree.

Kolb was so good that the Eagles shipped him off at the first opportunity. After Stewart Bradley, Jorrick Calvin, and Kevin Kolb, I'd be happy if the Cards blocked Philly from their phone plan from now on.

Calvin trade was a wash IMO. Dude was a emergency return man for 12 games after an injury then summarily dismissed to the AFL where he will live out his days. Just like Charles Scott, after one season both are out of the NFL.

 

[Phrazbit]

Alex Smith and Matt Hasselback humbly and respectfully disagree.

Kolb was so good that the Eagles shipped him off at the first opportunity. After Stewart Bradley, Jorrick Calvin, and Kevin Kolb, I'd be happy if the Cards blocked Philly from their phone plan from now on.

After the AJ Feeley, McNabb and Kolb trades I'd think the entire league should have sniffed out what Andy is selling by now... and judging by the market for Kolb last year the Cards might have been the only team not already clued in.

 

[kerouac9]

Honestly? Yes. Another team would have easily paid Fitz the same. And he'd have solid to great QB play and another shot at a championship. The guy wants to win more than anything else, and it means a lot more to him than the cash. It was all about proving that this organization is committed to winning, regardless of whether or not the decision actually panned out. The risk was worth it.

Phrazbit already said it, but what other team in the NFL had the present and future cap room to make the deal the Cards made? Would Fitz have moved across the country to Tampa?

The cash is only a secondary concern if you already assume that you're going to get massively paid. If Fitz had wanted to play for the minimum to go to New England, nothing was standing in his way. Instead, he ran with Kolb and signed a massive contract.

To be fair, Kolb didn't get a mind-blowing contract. His contract was and remains market value for a player with his (perceived) promise. The first two years of the deal really sucked, but we'll be clean of him next year if he's awful and we'll draft Tyler Wilson.

My concern remains what if Kolb stays healthy for 12-16 games and is average? He completes 62% of his passes at 7.1 YPA and throws 22 TDs against 16 INTs; are you going to pay him $10 million in salary alone next year on the hope that he gets better? That remains the real issue with the Kolb trade--not what to do if he's bad, but what to do if he's just okay.

Calvin trade was a wash IMO. Dude was a emergency return man for 12 games after an injury then summarily dismissed to the AFL where he will live out his days. Just like Charles Scott, after one season both are out of the NFL.

I'd say that getting 12 games for one guy and getting 2 preseason games for another is a balance in favor of the Eagles. We got nothing for Jorrick Calvin that we would've gotten out of a UDFA rookie.

I'd say that getting the pick we used for David Carter for Reggie Wells actually ended up a net positive for us, though.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Twin Freaks?

Winner.

Which one killed Laura Palmer?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Fitz wanted Peyton???

And we tried. Cant do much more there.

I didnt say this was an edict from God. I meant it for the Cardinals FO.

 

[Bodha]

Alex Smith and Matt Hasselback humbly and respectfully disagree.

Kolb was so good that the Eagles shipped him off at the first opportunity. After Stewart Bradley, Jorrick Calvin, and Kevin Kolb, I'd be happy if the Cards blocked Philly from their phone plan from now on.

Alex Smith? Are you serious?

Youre letting this past season blind your judgement. Prior to 2011, the dude was a complete, absolute bust. Still is in fact, 1 average year doesnt make up for anything.


Furthermore, you think Kolb was expensive? Try a former #1 overall pick, whose also the current starting QB on the team, not some backup they dont even need (Kolb).

Did you see the negotiations the 49ers just had to go through to get him resigned? What we paid for Kolb was pittance in comparison to what itd cost to sign that garbage heap.

 

[kerouac9]

Alex Smith? Are you serious?

Youre letting this past season blind your judgement. Prior to 2011, the dude was a complete, absolute bust. Still is in fact, 1 average year doesnt make up for anything.


Furthermore, you think Kolb was expensive? Try a former #1 overall pick, whose also the current starting QB on the team, not some backup they dont even need (Kolb).

Did you see the negotiations the 49ers just had to go through to get him resigned? What we paid for Kolb was pittance in comparison to what itd cost to sign that garbage heap.

You're being ridiculous. If you want to read the internal deliberations of ASFN before you got here, go back a year in the archives and you can see all this re-litigated the first time through.

Because you're ignorant, you probably don't remember that both Alex Smith and Matt Hasselback were unrestricted free agents last offseason. Both would've come here for half as much as Kolb cost in contract and zero in trade compensation.

Alex Smith is and has been the last two or three seasons a league-average quarterback. I know that this goes against the knee-jerk reaction of yourself and people like CBus, but go check it out on FootballOutsiders or Pro Football Focus. Don't let his former draft status cloud your judgement of the player he is now.

More importantly on Smith, if he'd performed like Kevin Kolb (and it's difficult to imagine a QB playing worse the Kolb as an NFL starter that isn't Blaine Gabbert), then we could have dumped him this offseason and still been better off. Because Kolb cost so much in contract and draft compensation, we're as stuck with him in 2012 as we were in 2011. Kevin Kolb may not have cost us Peyton Manning, but he might have, because we had to pay Kolb while Manning was deliberating. Wouldn't have happened with Alex Smith, as we saw when San Francisco suddenly jumped into the picture.

You can go back a year and look at the threads; there are tons of them. My argument at the time was the Hasselback and Smith might give you average or slightly below-average results, but you're also not hitching your wagon to them. We've hitched our wagon to Kolb, and even if he's cut after this year, he'll still carry $6 million in dead salary cap money in 2013.

 

[Phrazbit]

Alex Smith? Are you serious?

Youre letting this past season blind your judgement. Prior to 2011, the dude was a complete, absolute bust. Still is in fact, 1 average year doesnt make up for anything.


Furthermore, you think Kolb was expensive? Try a former #1 overall pick, whose also the current starting QB on the team, not some backup they dont even need (Kolb).

Did you see the negotiations the 49ers just had to go through to get him resigned? What we paid for Kolb was pittance in comparison to what itd cost to sign that garbage heap.

Last offseason? Hardly. Smith likely would have stunk here too, but he was a free agent during the summer of 2011. The Cards probably could have landed him on a 1 year 6 million dollar deal. Waaaaaaaaaay less expensive than Kolb's 2nd round pick, DRC and 60 million. And at least we would have been out from Smith relatively painlessly. By the time the Kolb fiasco is over with he will likely be the biggest waste of money in Cardinals history... and that doesnt even factor in the trade costs.

 

[Bodha]

You're being ridiculous. If you want to read the internal deliberations of ASFN before you got here, go back a year in the archives and you can see all this re-litigated the first time through.

Because you're ignorant, you probably don't remember that both Alex Smith and Matt Hasselback were unrestricted free agents last offseason. Both would've come here for half as much as Kolb cost in contract and zero in trade compensation.

Alex Smith is and has been the last two or three seasons a league-average quarterback. I know that this goes against the knee-jerk reaction of yourself and people like CBus, but go check it out on FootballOutsiders or Pro Football Focus. Don't let his former draft status cloud your judgement of the player he is now.

More importantly on Smith, if he'd performed like Kevin Kolb (and it's difficult to imagine a QB playing worse the Kolb as an NFL starter that isn't Blaine Gabbert), then we could have dumped him this offseason and still been better off. Because Kolb cost so much in contract and draft compensation, we're as stuck with him in 2012 as we were in 2011. Kevin Kolb may not have cost us Peyton Manning, but he might have, because we had to pay Kolb while Manning was deliberating. Wouldn't have happened with Alex Smith, as we saw when San Francisco suddenly jumped into the picture.

You can go back a year and look at the threads; there are tons of them. My argument at the time was the Hasselback and Smith might give you average or slightly below-average results, but you're also not hitching your wagon to them. We've hitched our wagon to Kolb, and even if he's cut after this year, he'll still carry $6 million in dead salary cap money in 2013.

cut your passive aggressive E-tough guy attitude, you sound like a douche.


If Alex Smith was so clearly the better choice, then why didnt the Cards go for him?

You should march into the FO right now and claim a desk because youre clearly the czar of football knowledge.

 

[kerouac9]

cut your passive aggressive E-tough guy attitude, you sound like a douche.


If Alex Smith was so clearly the better choice, then why didnt the Cards go for him?

You should march into the FO right now and claim a desk because youre clearly the czar of football knowledge.

I'd rather sound like a douche than the ignoramus you're making yourself out to be. I'm fine disagreeing with the Front Office and coaching staff that considered Derek Anderson, Max Hall, and Kevin Kolb legitimate NFL starters, and had a long, long flirtation with Blaine Gabbert (remember the rumor last year the Michael Bidwill had personally flown the coaching staff out to Gabbert's workout to get a closer look at him?). Especially while at the same time pushing down a guy like John Skelton, who has only shown that he can win games in the NFL.

I may or may not know more about football than you do; I don't really care. But I do know the facts of what happened 10 months ago a lot more clearly than you evidently do. And I'm fine with that.

 

[Cardiac]

I really don't think Alex Smith was an option for us last year. He had met with Harbaugh and they were definitely in like if not "love" with each other.

Hassleback was a serious option but not a long term solution. I'm pretty sure that taking a "safer" choice like him over Kolb isn't a "winners" plan.

I'm more concerned with Kolb's concussion issue than his ability to out produce Alex Smith or Matt Hassleback.

 

[desertdawg]

I really don't think Alex Smith was an option for us last year. He had met with Harbaugh and they were definitely in like if not "love" with each other.

Hassleback was a serious option but not a long term solution. I'm pretty sure that taking a "safer" choice like him over Kolb isn't a "winners" plan.

I'm more concerned with Kolb's concussion issue than his ability to out produce Alex Smith or Matt Hassleback.

Yamon, and Harbaugh had to keep it out of Alex's hands as often as he possibly could for them to succeed. Pass happy Az would not be a good fit for one Alex Smith, Hassleback would have just been a filler but I belive K9 was cool with that plan, he's been scoping the 2013 QBs for awhile now. . Cardinals gambled big on Kolb, concussions ruined his season, but we saw Skelton become a very serviceable back-up and potential starter. This year will tell, I think Kolb will either rise to the occasion or get hurt again plain and simple. Kolb>Smith this year in total yardage...sound like a wager K9?

 

[kerouac9]

I really don't think Alex Smith was an option for us last year. He had met with Harbaugh and they were definitely in like if not "love" with each other.

Hassleback was a serious option but not a long term solution. I'm pretty sure that taking a "safer" choice like him over Kolb isn't a "winners" plan.

I'm more concerned with Kolb's concussion issue than his ability to out produce Alex Smith or Matt Hassleback.

Well, Kolb was doing a pretty poor job of it BEFORE he got injured last year, under the same trying conditions that Smith and Hasselback had to endure.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

cut your passive aggressive E-tough guy attitude, you sound like a douche.


If Alex Smith was so clearly the better choice, then why didnt the Cards go for him?

You should march into the FO right now and claim a desk because youre clearly the czar of football knowledge.

Wow... I'll tackle this one.

Because we have a front office that has been historically TERRIBLE?

I'm far from a Smith apologist, but you can't deny the effect going through 3 head coaches and 7 OC's can have on a developing QB.

Smith (much like Skelton) has far more upside than Kolb ever showed.

 

[THESMEL]

yep

I said Reid was a snake oil salesman before time but i'm just a so and so, And whiz turned over his QB evaluation to Andy Reid! Whiz actually came out in the press and said Well Andy Reid has alot of success in the NFL and he said this about Kevin Kolb as a franchise QB!

Now if Andy would have said Kolb, was injury and concussion prone and he didn't expect him to play half the season- even Whiz would have been smart enough to pass. Still Kolb is better than Whiz's own personal choices!

Whiz cut Matt Leinart To start DA- Hall and Skelton! BY FAR THE STUPIDEST PERSONELL MOVE EVER in the NFL. kUBIAK picked Leinart up and kept him on a 1st round tender! We have not seeen the end of Matty, his health will improve at some point. Whiz also thought UFA Williams and Komar was going to start at WR!

Levi Brown is the MVP of this draft, Him signing gave this team new life- Keith or no Keith - If we pick up another 1st round tackle with Levi signed 5 years....... We will be even with the rest of the NFCW - who have had low draft picks and extra first rounders for a decade now.

After the AJ Feeley, McNabb and Kolb trades I'd think the entire league should have sniffed out what Andy is selling by now... and judging by the market for Kolb last year the Cards might have been the only team not already clued in.

 

[WildBB]

My concern remains what if Kolb stays healthy for 12-16 games and is average? He completes 62% of his passes at 7.1 YPA and throws 22 TDs against 16 INTs; are you going to pay him $10 million in salary alone next year on the hope that he gets better? That remains the real issue with the Kolb trade--not what to do if he's bad, but what to do if he's just okay.

NO! Next year is make or break. Average will not cut it unless we win the division and make some strides in the playoffs. Next year...do or die.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder if Fitz would feel the same if the Cardinals drafted Blackmon? My guess is he would.

 

[WildBB]

Wow... I'll tackle this one.

Because we have a front office that has been historically TERRIBLE?

I'm far from a Smith apologist, but you can't deny the effect going through 3 head coaches and 7 OC's can have on a developing QB.

Smith (much like Skelton) has far more upside than Kolb ever showed.

It had nothing at all to do with our FO. Smith was either going to Miami or staying put. No third option. He's nothing special. Their running game and D carried him.