Latest Kolb rumor 6-24-11

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So, in order to help one area of our team, we'd trade away one of the cornerpieces of another weakness on our team with a new coordinator.........makes no sense.
Sure it does. A big, big reason that our defensive backfield is a weakness is that our #1 CB (DRC) didn't play like one and we drafted someone to do it. I don't like it, don't get me wrong, but it makes sense. Also our new DC, if he's anything like the DC that he has worked with for a few years, wants CBs that can hit and tackle.
 

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So, in order to help one area of our team, we'd trade away one of the cornerpieces of another weakness on our team with a new coordinator.........makes no sense.

Ok let me play along even though everyone has decided to ignore that Darren Urban has said this trade is very unlikely.. QB is the most important postion on the field.. If you can get a QB with potential by trading a CB that still has potential, then you do it.. DRC regressed last year.. As many of moments of flash as he has had, he has had as many WTF moments..

And DRC is not Deion Sanders.. People say Deion couldnt tackle.. That isnt the case.. He just didnt have to.. He did when he had to.. DRC cant tackle for jack..

And I like DRC..
 

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Sure it does. A big, big reason that our defensive backfield is a weakness is that our #1 CB (DRC) didn't play like one and we drafted someone to do it. I don't like it, don't get me wrong, but it makes sense. Also our new DC, if he's anything like the DC that he has worked with for a few years, wants CBs that can hit and tackle.

I keep seeing this posted. Guys, EVERY defensive coordinator wants CBs who can hit and tackle. those are things that can be taught. but i also know that every coordinator also wants guys with lightning speed, who have natural play-making ability... and those things CAN'T BE TAUGHT and they're skills DRC DOES have.

he had an really bad year in year 3, but he was a great rookie and a Pro-Bowler in his 2nd year... and from all reports, isn't a trouble-maker. show me a young guy with all the talent in the world, that's played really good ball 2 of his first 3 years in the league... while playing for inept DC's with very little pass rush and i'll show you a guy who you in no way shape or form trade at this point.
 

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Ok let me play along even though everyone has decided to ignore that Darren Urban has said this trade is very unlikely.. QB is the most important postion on the field.. If you can get a QB with potential by trading a CB that still has potential, then you do it.. DRC regressed last year.. As many of moments of flash as he has had, he has had as many WTF moments..

And DRC is not Deion Sanders.. People say Deion couldnt tackle.. That isnt the case.. He just didnt have to.. He did when he had to.. DRC cant tackle for jack..

And I like DRC..

I keep seeing this posted. Guys, EVERY defensive coordinator wants CBs who can hit and tackle. those are things that can be taught. but i also know that every coordinator also wants guys with lightning speed, who have natural play-making ability... and those things CAN'T BE TAUGHT and they're skills DRC DOES have.

he had an really bad year in year 3, but he was a great rookie and a Pro-Bowler in his 2nd year... and from all reports, isn't a trouble-maker. show me a young guy with all the talent in the world, that's played really good ball 2 of his first 3 years in the league... while playing for inept DC's with very little pass rush and i'll show you a guy who you in no way shape or form trade at this point.

Thank you, stop trying to trade DRC everyone!
 

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IMO Kevin Kolb is the most pimped, overrated player in the NFL. If he is so great why don't the Eagles want him and keep him?

DRC has problems between the ears, but you can't teach 4.3 speed and he did make the pro bowl.

I understand that QB is by far the most difficult position in all of sports to fill, but I would not be a fan of this at all.
 

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It seems to me that,-----IF-----we are seriously talking to Philly about a trade, then we are setting ourselves up for a big penalty. According to the rules of the lockout, no trading can be done, (and my guess is that working out the details of one before the CBA is in effect would also be in violation of the spirit of the rule). I just don't have any faith in these rumors. Why would we want to jeopardize our future roster potential by taking a chance on having to give up a draft pick for failure to comply?
 

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IMO Kevin Kolb is the most pimped, overrated player in the NFL. If he is so great why don't the Eagles want him and keep him?

DRC has problems between the ears, but you can't teach 4.3 speed and he did make the pro bowl.

I understand that QB is by far the most difficult position in all of sports to fill, but I would not be a fan of this at all.


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Amen!
 

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IMO Kevin Kolb is the most pimped, overrated player in the NFL. If he is so great why don't the Eagles want him and keep him?

DRC has problems between the ears, but you can't teach 4.3 speed and he did make the pro bowl.

I understand that QB is by far the most difficult position in all of sports to fill, but I would not be a fan of this at all.

Gotta figure the lockout has alot to do with Kolb being pimped.. He would have been traded already if it wasnt for the lockout..
 

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It seems to me that,-----IF-----we are seriously talking to Philly about a trade, then we are setting ourselves up for a big penalty. According to the rules of the lockout, no trading can be done, (and my guess is that working out the details of one before the CBA is in effect would also be in violation of the spirit of the rule). I just don't have any faith in these rumors. Why would we want to jeopardize our future roster potential by taking a chance on having to give up a draft pick for failure to comply?


This whole thing started because of the speculation of some radio guys in Philly!

If there is one thing the Cardinals front office does is play by the rules.

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sorry... this team isn't in a position to rob peter to pay paul. make the deal happen with draft picks and don't get bent over by a team who doesn't have a lot of options with a guy they need to move or lose him for nothing.

Remember that hit Rob Peter threw in the 09 Orange Bowl? Havent been able to find it on You tube bu he came on that delayed blitz and nearly took the QBs head off.

And Pay Paul. Hes a no brainer HOF selection at CB. We could really afford to go after Kolb with DRC if Peter or Paul were available to us. DRCs a bit of a Mary comparatively.

Come on Cards! get a deal done!
 

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If we were going to trade a cornerback for a quarterback we should have just drafted a quarterback (Gabbert) instead of a cornerback (PP21)......
 

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All I can say is Wiz & his staff better be watching EVERY piece of tape on Kolb ever known to man to make that trade!!! IF they truely believe he has potential to be close to great, pull the trigger & I can live with that.

Kolb did run a fast break passing game for the Cougs at UH just like Wiz shown he likes with Warner & our WR corp...but the fear of the unknown has us all skeptical to make the trade. Wiz...homework, homework, homework!!!
 

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Seems Kent agrees with me and not you jerk offs.. :)

This trade may happen & it may not happen Gee. If you want a very good QB in this league they cost a premium & can't be had for sticks of gum. Now is Kolb that guy? None of at this point don't know the final answer to that!!!

This day & age you almost have to have a great QB to win a SB. Kolb may be that guy...or not...but to think we know the answer to that when he has played less games than old #7 has in his career IMO is jumping the gun. I can say this with a straight face: Alex Smith, Orton, Hasselbeck, Skelton & some of the others mentioned wouldn't win SB rings in AZ. Palmer & McNabb might. Let the coaches figure out if Kolb can.
 

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Thanks O. And the reader comments are pretty good as well.

This whole Kolb thing is the biggest sell-job since Ginsu knives. I think the Eagles hired Ronco to market him.


Wouldn't surprise me if someone in the front office bought a Popeil Pocket Fisherman for everyone
 

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Whiz's recent remarks about acquiring "a young QB who can be the QB for the next ten years"...and his reiteration/refrain "we are prepared, we are going to be ready to go"...seem like strong indications that a deal has been agreed to.

If that's the case...and the Eagles do prefer a immediate impact player in return, rather than a draft pick, then the DRC speculation appears legit.

To add to the speculation---becuase of how close Ray Horton and DeShea Townshend are to Ike Taylor---they may have heard whispers from Taylor himself that he wants to join them in Arizona, thus mitigating DRC's loss.

If there is a minimum cap, as expected, the Cardinals, imo will offer Fitz an extension where he will receive a huge figure on this year's cap.

I still expect the Cardinals to have Kolb play out his current deal at $1.45M this year---and they will spin it as there are negotiations in progress.

Even if they have to franchise tag Kolb next year---the average salary for his first two years will be $8M---guess what?---the same average salary Warner made in 2008 ($5M) and 2009 ($11M).

Unless the FO philosophy suddenly changes or Fitz won't sign and the Cardinals need to to meet the minimum cap, Kolb won't be offered the huge extension right away.

The question is: in this case whether it would be smart to see how well Kolb plays before offering him a long-term salary in the neighborhood of $13-15M a year?
 

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Whiz's recent remarks about acquiring "a young QB who can be the QB for the next ten years"...and his reiteration/refrain "we are prepared, we are going to be ready to go"...seem like strong indications that a deal has been agreed to.

If that's the case...and the Eagles do prefer a immediate impact player in return, rather than a draft pick, then the DRC speculation appears legit.

To add to the speculation---becuase of how close Ray Horton and DeShea Townshend are to Ike Taylor---they may have heard whispers from Taylor himself that he wants to join them in Arizona, thus mitigating DRC's loss.

If there is a minimum cap, as expected, the Cardinals, imo will offer Fitz an extension where he will receive a huge figure on this year's cap.

I still expect the Cardinals to have Kolb play out his current deal at $1.45M this year---and they will spin it as there are negotiations in progress.

Even if they have to franchise tag Kolb next year---the average salary for his first two years will be $8M---guess what?---the same average salary Warner made in 2008 ($5M) and 2009 ($11M).

Unless the FO philosophy suddenly changes or Fitz won't sign and the Cardinals need to to meet the minimum cap, Kolb won't be offered the huge extension right away.

The question is: in this case whether it would be smart to see how well Kolb plays before offering him a long-term salary in the neighborhood of $13-15M a year?

All of that!!!:thumbup:

If that is how it plays out, I am 100% on the Kolb bandwagon.
 

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WIP in Philly is known for being a bit over-the-top and hot-headed. (At the end of every hockey seasons, a few of their listeners always slam the Flyers for not instigating an all-out brawl with the NY Rangers. It's a Philly/WIP kind of thing).

I'd take the DRC comments with a grain of salt.

WIP listeners are famous for concocting lop-sided trades (kind of like us offering to trade Matt Ware for Michael Vick straight up.
 

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I have no problem trading DRC for value, but I personally don't see equal value in Kolb. I would prefer trading 2nd rounders for either Orton or Palmer over trading DRC for Kolb, and I don't really like DRC.

If it was for a proven edge pass rusher, I probably make the move
 

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The question is: in this case whether it would be smart to see how well Kolb plays before offering him a long-term salary in the neighborhood of $13-15M a year?

That might be the smart way to go but these are the Cardinals!!! Usually when it comes to doing the right thing with extensions, we do the total opposite of what common sense says we should do.

We were sooo far below what would be a supposed cap last year that we would have to sign some big ticket FA's or overpay some of our own to reach the 92% that many insiders think teams would have to reach in 2011. IMO Fitz wont extend until he sees what his future looks like with a new QB & even then may not. So who does the $$$ go to? Breaston may leave, Deuce may leave & Branch may also.
 

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All I can say is Wiz & his staff better be watching EVERY piece of tape on Kolb ever known to man to make that trade!!! IF they truely believe he has potential to be close to great, pull the trigger & I can live with that.

Kolb did run a fast break passing game for the Cougs at UH just like Wiz shown he likes with Warner & our WR corp...but the fear of the unknown has us all skeptical to make the trade. Wiz...homework, homework, homework!!!

with the lock out I bet there is plenty QB film watching... Kolb will not be a Cardinal next year.
 
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WIP in Philly is known for being a bit over-the-top and hot-headed. (At the end of every hockey seasons, a few of their listeners always slam the Flyers for not instigating an all-out brawl with the NY Rangers. It's a Philly/WIP kind of thing).

I'd take the DRC comments with a grain of salt.

WIP listeners are famous for concocting lop-sided trades (kind of like us offering to trade Matt Ware for Michael Vick straight up.


All to true Jeff but the WIP source is a reporter who has a close relationship with Kolb. Still all just a rumor but far from some fan calling is with a wacky suggestion.
 

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