Latest on possible Ariza trade

[Hoop Head]

This thread turned into comedy gold.

I like Oubre AND Rivers this gives us some depth at least. Ariza can go to washington which is already a disaster

I wonder how hard Ariza will play in Washington. If he gives more effort there then he did here that will be disappointing but I guess we can see what sort of difference playing with a real PG makes. I'm glad we did a deal with Washington that didn't involve Wall. I thought they had someone who was buddies with McD since we've done a couple deals with them over the years but apparently it's just 2 incompetent owners bonding.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I wonder how hard Ariza will play in Washington. If he gives more effort there then he did here that will be disappointing but I guess we can see what sort of difference playing with a real PG makes. I'm glad we did a deal with Washington that didn't involve Wall. I thought they had someone who was buddies with McD since we've done a couple deals with them over the years but apparently it's just 2 incompetent owners bonding.

Admittedly I haven’t had the opp to watch every suns game this season but I’ve watched enough of them to question the whole “ariza isn’t trying” argument. In every game I’ve watched (maybe 10-15) I’ve seen him give effort. Is he as athletic as he was at his peak (which wasn’t uber-athletic)? No. And that cost him at times. But I never really saw cause to question his effort. Maybe it was the other 15 or so games.

 

[Hoop Head]

Admittedly I haven’t had the opp to watch every suns game this season but I’ve watched enough of them to question the whole “ariza isn’t trying” argument. In every game I’ve watched (maybe 10-15) I’ve seen him give effort. Is he as athletic as he was at his peak (which wasn’t uber-athletic)? No. And that cost him at times. But I never really saw cause to question his effort. Maybe it was the other 15 or so games.

Ariza played harder when he returned from whatever "personal issue" he had was. Prior to that I saw him walk up and down the court, allow easy layups, and generally play like other Suns. Maybe I expected more from him, he was supposed to be a veteran leader, but he seemed distracted and disinterested early in the season. I've only seen like 3 games since he returned from that 1 or 2 game absence but he looked more engaged then.

 

[95pro]

I think the offensive scheme was a problem for Arizas skill set. He found himself having to dribble the ball and try to create sometimes. He never had to do that while Houston.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I think the offensive scheme was a problem for Arizas skill set. He found himself having to dribble the ball and try to create sometimes. He never had to do that while Houston.

Yup, in Houston he just camped out on the short corner 3s where he was shooting a really high percentage. Wasn't too many of those for him in Igor's scheme.

 

[Folster]

Current roster and my guess at starting lineup.

Rivers
Booker
Bridges
Warren
Ayton

Reserves
Guards: Crawford, Melton, Daniels, Okobo
Wings: Oubre, Jackson,
Bigs: Holmes, Anderson, Bender, Moreland
2 way: King and Evans

Hopefully Igor keeps Bridges in the starting line-up. Adding Rivers would give some additional scoring punch and 4 of 5 starters legit 3 point threats.

Crawford spells Booker and gives our second unit stability. Melton for Rivers to provide some defensive intensity.

Our main wing rotation will be Bridges, Warren, Oubre, and Jackson

Ayton and Holmes round out our bigs

That's a 10 man rotation. Daniels deserves some burn and maybe Okobo now and then.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Current roster and my guess at starting lineup.

Rivers
Booker
Bridges
Warren
Ayton

Reserves
Guards: Crawford, Melton, Daniels, Okobo
Wings: Oubre, Jackson,
Bigs: Holmes, Anderson, Bender, Moreland
2 way: King and Evans

Hopefully Igor keeps Bridges in the starting line-up. Adding Rivers would give some additional scoring punch and 4 of 5 starters legit 3 point threats.

Crawford spells Booker and gives our second unit stability. Melton for Rivers to provide some defensive intensity.

Our main wing rotation will be Bridges, Warren, Oubre, and Jackson

Ayton and Holmes round out our bigs

That's an 8 man rotation. Daniels deserves some burn and maybe Okobo now and then.

This is almost exactly how I see it.

 

[Finito]

Daniels def deserves some time he played great while Booker was out he can't play defense at all but when he gets hot he can fill it up

 

[devilalum]

Our main wing rotation will be Bridges, Warren, Oubre, and Jackson

All 4 of these guys can play the 2, 3 or 4 at times. You could even play 3 of them at the same time.

 

[Mainstreet]

Of course it is too early to know how Oubre works out.

However, if he plays well, this could be like one of the Suns moves in free agency if he can be resigned for a reasonable contract.

The Suns further could concentrate on adding a couple more big men while keeping Holmes with the addition of a point guard. I'm having good feelings about Melton going forward but he is not there yet.

 

[Rab]

Daniels def deserves some time he played great while Booker was out he can't play defense at all but when he gets hot he can fill it up

I liked having Daniels out there as well


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[95pro]

So on NBA radio, I forget which show, but they said that Sarver had refused to work any trades with the Lakers because they are the Lakers. They went on to criticize Sarver saying that you get the best trade possible despite the team and who you're dealing with.

Do you guys think, if true, Sarver either blocked us from a good/bad trade? Maybe James Jones wanted to give the lakers a gift?

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

So on NBA radio, I forget which show, but they said that Sarver had refused to work any trades with the Lakers because they are the Lakers. They went on to criticize Sarver saying that you get the best trade possible despite the team and who you're dealing with.

Do you guys think, if true, Sarver either blocked us from a good/bad trade? Maybe James Jones wanted to give the lakers a gift?

The issue here is I don't see a path where a Lakers trade would have worked out. Reports say we wanted one of their young pieces. That's Ball, Kuzma, Ingram, or Hart. There is no way the Lakers do that. So if those players are off the table, what could the Lakers even have given us? Nothing as good as Oubre. There wasn't really a fit there.

 

[Folster]

So on NBA radio, I forget which show, but they said that Sarver had refused to work any trades with the Lakers because they are the Lakers. They went on to criticize Sarver saying that you get the best trade possible despite the team and who you're dealing with.

Do you guys think, if true, Sarver either blocked us from a good/bad trade? Maybe James Jones wanted to give the lakers a gift?

Funny! Did they criticize Popovich for the reports he refused to send Kahwi to the Lakers?

The reported offer for Ariza was KCP and and their late 2nd rounder. If that was the offer then Sarver made the right decision.

 

[devilalum]

Fork ESPN and all the NBA media. They all want the Suns to be a farm team for the Lebron show.

I’m OK with Sarver not trading Ariza to the Lakers. If you can show me evidence that he passed on one of their young guns I would change my opinion. But that’s not what anybody is saying.


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[CardsSunsDbacks]

Fork ESPN and all the NBA media. They all want the Suns to be a farm team for the Lebron show.

I’m OK with Sarver not trading Ariza to the Lakers. If you can show me evidence that he passed on one of their young guns I would change my opinion. But that’s not what anybody is saying.


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Actually there are reports that we were trying to trade for Hart, but the Lakers wouldn't do it. We just weren't going to get as much as some people wanted in an Ariza trade. We ended up with a solid deal considering.

 

[95pro]

Yeah the radio show surprised me as that was the first I've heard of Sarver not wanting to deal with the Lakers just because they're the Lakers.

 

[Chaplin]

Yeah the radio show surprised me as that was the first I've heard of Sarver not wanting to deal with the Lakers just because they're the Lakers.

Not true.

The Lakers ONLY offered KCP and a 2nd for Ariza. This isn't rocket science. If I was the owner, I would have said HELL NO to that as well. But the media and armchair GMs on message boards like to spin everything to fall back on their current punching bag--who is Sarver. I hate the guy as well, but only for realistic and TRUE reasons.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not true.

The Lakers ONLY offered KCP and a 2nd for Ariza. This isn't rocket science. If I was the owner, I would have said HELL NO to that as well. But the media and armchair GMs on message boards like to spin everything to fall back on their current punching bag--who is Sarver. I hate the guy as well, but only for realistic and TRUE reasons.

I agree with this. Sarver putting his foot down on a Laker trade was probably a good thing.

I would rather have Oubre than KCP and a second round pick.

 

[95pro]

Not true.

The Lakers ONLY offered KCP and a 2nd for Ariza. This isn't rocket science. If I was the owner, I would have said HELL NO to that as well. But the media and armchair GMs on message boards like to spin everything to fall back on their current punching bag--who is Sarver. I hate the guy as well, but only for realistic and TRUE reasons.

Right. That's what I getting at, that the nba radio made it seem like sarver said no to a better deal. But we all know they have nothing to offer us, outside of Kuz Ingram Ball, that we'd like.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Right. That's what I getting at, that the nba radio made it seem like sarver said no to a better deal. But we all know they have nothing to offer us, outside of Kuz Ingram Ball, that we'd like.

We're and easy media target thanks to Sarver but those might be rumors spread by a few bitter Lakers fans that were convinced they were going to get Ariza cheap. I know I've heard it more than a few times that if we wouldn't make the deal for KCP they'd just wait until we came to our senses and bought out Ariza's contract later this season.

 

[BC867]

Have you noticed that the last five posts were about Sarver?

Has the position of General Manager been eliminated in the NBA?

Seriously, what are the investor's credentials to play that role?

And what position does it put our (temporary acting half) 'General Manager' in when trying to negotiate with other teams' GM's?

Is there a corporation in America where the Board of Directors/investors usurp the authority of the CEO, COO, CFO, HR Director, etc.?

 

[1Sun]

Have you noticed that the last five posts were about Sarver?

Has the position of General Manager been eliminated in the NBA?

Seriously, what are the investor's credentials to play that role?

And what position does it put our (temporary acting half) 'General Manager' in when trying to negotiate with other teams' GM's?

Is there a corporation in America where the Board of Directors/investors usurp the authority of the CEO, COO, CFO, HR Director, etc.?

Technically it can happen with any corporation, and with any partnership or LLC unless there is a partnership agreement or operating agreement that insulates the general partner or manager or officers from removal. The problem is that the Board of Directors or shareholders/limited partners/members need to be willing to take that action, and the minority partners of the Suns ownership entity are not willing to do so.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Have you noticed that the last five posts were about Sarver?

Has the position of General Manager been eliminated in the NBA?

Seriously, what are the investor's credentials to play that role?

And what position does it put our (temporary acting half) 'General Manager' in when trying to negotiate with other teams' GM's?

Is there a corporation in America where the Board of Directors/investors usurp the authority of the CEO, COO, CFO, HR Director, etc.?

Wow, you're really doing some leap-frogging there. I don't see any issue with Sarver telling Jones to look elsewhere and that's all we're talking about. We're not talking about Sarver doing 5 different things, 5 of us are talking about the same thing he did.

 

[Mainstreet]

Actually there are reports that we were trying to trade for Hart, but the Lakers wouldn't do it. We just weren't going to get as much as some people wanted in an Ariza trade. We ended up with a solid deal considering.

Josh Hart would have been a steal. This was not going to happen.