MigratingOsprey
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also remember jalen rose saying that he was suspended for stepping 1 foot on the court when a fight was 90 feet away
League decision may be expected as late as Wednesday?
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This wasn't even a fight was it? Were punches thrown? This is being blown way out of proportion. My guess is no one gets suspended and game 5 goes on as planned. If Diaw and Stat get suspended for this the NBA is officially horse **** in my book. I think some people just like the side drama more than the game itself.
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I think what the league should do is one of:
- Just give the suns fines, suspend Horry
- Save the suspensions until the start of next season.
What I think they will do:
- Suspend Amare and Diaw for game 5.
- Suspend Horry for games 5 and 6.
I think all in all, but the league being so "Stern", they are hurting the fans more than anyone. This series has turned into a could be classic. Last years playoffs were great, this years have been terrible, except for this one series. Will the NBA be so hard-headed that they take the 1 good series away? I think they will, but hope not.
- Just give the suns fines, suspend Horry
- Save the suspensions until the start of next season.
What I think they will do:
- Suspend Amare and Diaw for game 5.
- Suspend Horry for games 5 and 6.
I think all in all, but the league being so "Stern", they are hurting the fans more than anyone. This series has turned into a could be classic. Last years playoffs were great, this years have been terrible, except for this one series. Will the NBA be so hard-headed that they take the 1 good series away? I think they will, but hope not.
Ewing was funny in that game. He's standing at mid-court just milling around like it's pre-game warmups while a serious brawl is taking out seats along the baseline. Honestly? I felt he deserved a suspension because he neither showed the backbone to defend his teammates nor the smarts to just stay along the sideline -- with or without the rule.
I agree with Chap that there's more to debate here with Stoudemire and Diaw. I would agree with you that the NBA is not at all flexible on the rule and they administer their own brand of stupidly blind justice. But I would think if it was really that black-and-white, they would've already announced their decision. What else could be delaying it? They are obviously discussing the merits of being flexible. There's nothing else to discuss.
I agree with Chap that there's more to debate here with Stoudemire and Diaw. I would agree with you that the NBA is not at all flexible on the rule and they administer their own brand of stupidly blind justice. But I would think if it was really that black-and-white, they would've already announced their decision. What else could be delaying it? They are obviously discussing the merits of being flexible. There's nothing else to discuss.
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That one was different. The on-court altercation that happened between Rick Fox and Doug Christie went on and on that particular instance, no players left the bench knowing about the rules and it's effects. Both players were sent to the LOCKER ROOMS. Since Fox had knowledge of the tunnel access points, he wanted to continue the fight with Christie and ran through the tunnel onto to the side Christie was leaving. When the Kings saw that Christie was being jostled about, they went to his aid by heading towards the tunnel. Not onto the court.
In their defense, since it wasn't confined to the basketball court where everything is out in the open, they didn't know if Christie was under attack by fans or security staff or anything.
That is the loophole as to why no one got suspended. It was where the altercation occured.
The NBA also has a defined Coahes Box area. You hear about it time to time and referees have the discretionary right to give a coach a T if they feel that the coach is violating the area too much. Case and point Don Nelson by Joey Crawford. Spurs vs Mavs 2003 WCF
Amare' went past that box, Boris went past that box. I await the decision of the NBA here because obviously it's pivotal for everyone, even the teams that aren't playing this particular series because of the possible precedence this sets.
Also...Pop is a great coach. He wants his teams to play physical. I told you that he patterns much of his style off of Larry Brown & Jerry Sloan.
They play the game physically true, but the intent always is to make it that much harder for the opposition to score not to maim or injure.
Both teams are carrying battle-scars for the series played to date. I think it makes for some prime-time drama and just bumps up the series to a level in which even the casual fan will tune in. Not saying that that's a good thing, I'm just saying that some fans need that "juice" to pay attention. It's sad really because before all of that, both of these teams were worthy of discussion anyways.
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The timing of it can be an issue as well. With only a few seconds left in the game, everyone was really standing at the point--all teams do it with that little time left and in close games.
Man, why couldn't Horry just bear-hug Nash? That would have made everything so much easier.
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better yet, why couldn't Finley not be so damn slow? If he would have actually fouled Nash when he attempted to right before the Horry play, we'd have nothing to talk about and I wouldn't be refreshign yahoo sports and this page every ten seconds.
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I'm starting to change my mind, the longer this goes, the better it has to be for the Suns players. Don't they have a noon practice? It would be flat out evil of the league to make them miss their practice thinking that Amare and Boris might play.
I agree..they are trying to formulate some way to wiggle out of the situation, and I'm guessing the rule gets reviewed during the offseason.
Like I posted somewhere else:
Rock -----> Stern <----- Hard Place
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i''m going to prepare for the worst. it always seems like SOMETHING royally screws up our runs to the title. this just seems like par for the course.
if I'm right, I'll be expecting it. if i'm wrong, i'll be ecstatic.
if I'm right, I'll be expecting it. if i'm wrong, i'll be ecstatic.
Yeah, but Patrick Ewing is an ass.
I will not argue with that.
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Here is a cool article. I guess earlier in the game, Bowen and Duncan left the bench when both James Jones and Elson about went at it. Kerr thinks if Amare and Boris are suspended, that Duncan and Bowen should also be suspended. I might be able to live with that.
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Ooops, here is the article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=sk-sunsspurs051507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=sk-sunsspurs051507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
This is the best news Ive heard all day..
Either the league is gonna let everyone play, or Duncan, Bowen and Horry will be suspended for the Spurs and Amare and Diaw for the Suns.. We will still have our MVP on the court if they get suspended..
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Where do you come up with this stuff? Seriously, do you have access to a secret camera angle that none of the rest of us have seen? I've watched replays dozen of times and seen nothing like what you are describing.
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You've said this a few times and it's not accurate at all. Iavaroni give Amare a little shove and tells him to get back to the bench and Amare starts retreating. D'Antoni then also says something to Amare and waves at him to get back to the bench. Phil Webber is in the middle of it, but he's doesn't have his hands on Amare. Finally Diaw puts his arms on Amare and starts pulling on Amare.
You make it sound like Amare was a raging bull and 4 men had to tackle and drag him against his will. 1 coach, Iavaroni, gave him a shove and he immediately started moving back towards the bench. The best replay I've seen of this is in the ESPN video player on Jalen Rose's take of the possible suspensions.
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lol Eric......both of us had the same thought and reaction at the same time....spooky.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0qe7PGCQvI
3:05-3:18
You also see him start to go towards the Bell/Horry shovefest too, right before he is pushed back to the bench, off balance too.
It was more clear in the HD..I watched it a few times. That is straight from the broadcast.
elindholm
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Okay, that's a slightly different angle from what I've been looking at. It's possible he takes one step toward the Horry/Bell scrum, instead of toward Nash. But on the other hand, he is removing his warmup as if he's getting ready to check in -- actually, that's the only shot I've seen in which that excuse seems to hold any water.
However, you are right that the "altercation" was underway by the time Stoudemire was on the court, which is not what I had seen before.
On the other hand, you are greatly distorting your account. Stoudemire is no way was behaving as a raging bull, and it did not take four coaches to drag him back. Four coaches may have individually gotten a hand on him at one time or another, but he offers only token resistance to their guidance.
Whatever. You have an axe to grind and I'll let you have your say.
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