Leinart grinning

[old card fan]

Don't you just know Leinart is getting a big kick out of this
? Grinning from ear to ear. OCF

 

[D-Dogg]

Third string quarterback doesn't get to grin at anything.

 

[Duckjake]

Third string quarterback doesn't get to grin at anything.

If I were a 3rd string QB in the NFL I'd be grinning every day. That has to be one of the best jobs in America.

 

[Joe L]

Third string quarterback doesn't get to grin at anything.

Maybe not, but it isn't the position Matt is in, it's about knowing Whiz's best judgment backfired on him. And maybe the fact that some fans are starting to question Whiz's competence as a QB evaluator. The more it backfires on Whiz, the better it looks for ML.

JMHO

 

[bg7brd]

Maybe not, but it isn't the position Matt is in, it's about knowing Whiz's best judgment backfired on him. And maybe the fact that some fans are starting to question Whiz's competence as a QB evaluator. The more it backfires on Whiz, the better it looks for ML.

JMHO

You're assuming Matt would have been a difference maker here, That's a big assumption.

 

[Joe L]

You're assuming Matt would have been a difference maker here, That's a big assumption.

Wrong, i wasn't assuming anything. In fact, i said it has nothing to do with ML. It's about Whiz and the mess he is in with his choices of QB's.

The more his choices fail, the more people are going to put into question Whiz's decisions. It's more a reflection on Whiz and not about what Leinart could have done here.

What are people doing now? Questioning whether Matt could have made a difference.

So no, I never insinuated that Matt would have made a difference but you have to admit, it wouldn't be hard to top what our QB's have done in the last 6 games.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I personally couldn't give a damn if Leinart is grinning. He's grinning from the end of the bench in HOU. In fact, he may not be "grinning" at all. It's probably just a wince from the splinters in his ass....

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Matt had no confidence in himself to go out and show he could be the QB of the future so it's not surprising that Whiz didn't either...

 

[Garthshort]

Grinning? No. Laughing, yes.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

You're assuming Matt would have been a difference maker here, That's a big assumption.

Agreed. But it is an easer assumption to make when you have 3 QB's on the roster and 2 out of the 3 cannot and should not be staarting in the NFL.

Max Hall looked horrible today. Absolutely horrible. I could have played better, and that is saying something.

In my eyes it was never Leinart vs. Anderson, but Leinart vs. Hall, and there is no way Leinart would play as bad as Hall looked yesterday. Derek Anderson looks better that Max Hall....oh the depths of misery that just sent me too, in typing that.

That was a joke, and any ridicule this organization gets about Leinart has be well earned by the Cardinals after yesterday.

 

[Osbern61]

Don't you just know Leinart is getting a big kick out of this
? Grinning from ear to ear. OCF

Not really sure.

 

[Southpaw]

Who is this Matt Leinart guy?

 

[kerouac9]

You're assuming Matt would have been a difference maker here, That's a big assumption.

I don't understand why people keep saying this. No one is saying that #7 would have been a difference maker. People are saying that ML could have probably put up a QB rating in the low 70s (which would've been some 20 points higher than what we've got now), and that would be enough to run away with the division.

Even if the #7 who "lost" the Titans game showed up this season, and didn't improve, it would be leaps and bounds over what Coach Whiz left us with.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't understand why people keep saying this. No one is saying that #7 would have been a difference maker. People are saying that ML could have probably put up a QB rating in the low 70s (which would've been some 20 points higher than what we've got now), and that would be enough to run away with the division.

Even if the #7 who "lost" the Titans game showed up this season, and didn't improve, it would be leaps and bounds over what Coach Whiz left us with.

+1

Agreed. My beef is with those who assume Leinart would come in and be All-Pro, etc., etc.

At this point a Trent Dilfer like QB would be enough to produce wins for this team.

Anderson and Hall are just liabilities that further hold the team back more than the team does as a 53 man effort.

If our team could get out of its own way we would be in a lot better place.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I've failed to understand why everyone was so happy to get rid of Leinart to begin with. I realize the guy had his faults, but fact is he did his time and deserved the shot to lead the team. He NEVER had that chance, because he was never Whisenhunt's guy.

Would he have been a world beater? There's no way of knowing. Even so, he would be world's better than the QBs Arizona's trotting out there now.

I don't fault Max Hall. He DOES have some intangibles that make him a work in progress, but he's just that.. A work in progress. I didn't think he was ready immediately, and still don't. Same with Skelton.

Problem is, the only other option is Derek Anderson, who minus one season, has been a career bust.

Leinart's gone now and there's no point in speculating what might have been I suppose, however honestly and truly were the Cards in that good of a position to cut him?

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't understand why people keep saying this. No one is saying that #7 would have been a difference maker. People are saying that ML could have probably put up a QB rating in the low 70s (which would've been some 20 points higher than what we've got now), and that would be enough to run away with the division.

Even if the #7 who "lost" the Titans game showed up this season, and didn't improve, it would be leaps and bounds over what Coach Whiz left us with.

I agree with that completely. We all thought we would be a run-heavy team with Leinart making the passes that needed to be made, nothing flashy but efficient. Let the defense keep us in games, and the offense put up decent but not flashy numbers. I was on board for that, and it seemed that was our direction. Then something changed. What, who knows, but it was a sea change at both player and coach level.

But in the end, it is water under the bridge. Yes, I personally believe that the third string QB in Houston would have been the best QB on our roster, but he's the third stringer in Houston. He might feel vindicated if we continue to suck, but he can't be grinning because he could be the one throwing balls to Larry for more money than he makes now, and all he had to do was want the job more than I wanted it for him.

 

[Treefiddy]

No way Leinart is grinning with his $630,000* contract when he could have been making about $2 million more and have a starting job right now. If he believes that he forced Whiz's hand into cutting him by going to the media to air his frustrations, then he's probably really upset with himself.

* = Yes, I understand all of us "normies" would be totally cool with that contract for 3rd string, but he's a football player and wants to play.

 

[nashman]

The only fact that seems obvious is our HC made a terrible decision to cut Leinart and now we are left with crap! And even worse is can we even trust his ability to pick a qb in the future, I know have have very little faith in his ability to judge talent at the qb position!

 

[Duckjake]

The only fact that seems obvious is our HC made a terrible decision to cut Leinart and now we are left with crap! And even worse is can we even trust his ability to pick a qb in the future, I know have have very little faith in his ability to judge talent at the qb position!

Brian St.Pierre, Max Hall, DeWreck Anderson.

Not an impressive resume.

But then there was the change in results with Kurt Warner which trumps everything else.

 

[Joe L]

Brian St.Pierre, Max Hall, DeWreck Anderson.

Not an impressive resume.

But then there was the change in results with Kurt Warner which trumps everything else.

Warner proved himself in preseason when he got the honors to platoon with Leinart. It wasn't until Leinart went down that Warner got his first start. the following preseason, he proved he was the better QB. It was the obvious choice. I don't see how he can take the credit for doing the obvious. Hell, he started a good portion of the games the prior season when Leinart went down. I don't how that trumps everything else.

Whiz does not know how to evaluate QB talent. What trumps everything else in my book is bringing in the worst QB in the league and thinking he could revive his career and make him and this team successful. The ultimate epic fail in my book.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Sorry, but some of you are too pig headed to admit when mistkes are made. You'll go to the grave knowing what's right but because you are so stubborn you won't admit it.

Cards mistake 1 - letting Leinart walk.
You DON'T have any player practice as the starter all off season only to cut him at the last second before te season starts...at ANY position.
- this doesn't allow the next player the proper reps.
- it shows you are LOST

They had options - one let Max walk...no one was going to pick him up...even if they did who cares...he wouldn't crack the 52 having to learn an entire playbook.

2 - not going after McSoup. Cards would OWN the division for the next 3 years with him as our QB. He WANTED to be here but the Cards at the time said 'No, Leinart is our guy.'

This whole mess is going to spill for a few years. This season we may make te playoffs, but it's one and done.

Max is not the future
DA is nit the future.
John S isn't it.

You are looking at a lost team...all because the front office couldnt get over the fact that Warner was GONE.

Front office expected Warner to return..even publicly said so.

Shows how lack of vision leads to a huge mess.

They could gave admitted they messed up last week and traded for Leinart...but no again the stubborn owners can't admit a mistake.

 

[chickenhead]

Pure speculation, but the key to all of this might be Fitz. I don't know how much his input is valued in personnel decisions, but if he wasn't happy with Leinart, then keeping Leinart this year and especially paying the 11m to keep him next year didn't make sense. Who knows whether he was happy with DA in camp, but we can safely assume he's not happy with anything right now, and how the QB situation is handled dictates his future.

He's going to get a huge deal regardless, but there's no way he wants to come off two seasons in a QB carousel, and the numbers that come with a rookie QB (or QBs).

 

[Matt L]

Matt had no confidence in himself to go out and show he could be the QB of the future so it's not surprising that Whiz didn't either...

We are going to lose a lot more games than we win if the only discernable skill our starting QB brings to the field is "confidence."

 

[MadCardDisease]

Why would Lienart be grinning?

The guy lost his job to an UD RFA who is struggling. That' not exactly something I would put on my resume.

 

[Redheart]

Matt is still third string behind some no-name. Why is he grinning? He may never start again in the NFL...