Leinart grinning

[nashman]

Rigghhhht buddy they ran the ball 85% of the time all season because Whiz really loved and trusted his QB! Whatever some people see what they want too. If you believe Whiz has any freaking clue how to pick a good QB then you have not been paying attention!

 

[Bobcat]

Matt had no confidence in himself to go out and show he could be the QB of the future so it's not surprising that Whiz didn't either...

No...!!! You guys for the most part are enamored with Kent. As anyone can see it really was Todd Haley who made this team the offensive team it was in 2007 and 2008 and to most extent in 2010. Haley took a real bad team an in less than 2 years has really change the culture of KC. All that Whiz has done since Todd left has shown poor handling of the Offensive side of the ball, and real poor if not pathetic Head coaching and team management skills.

Here is an even bigger question how could have Matt just barely losing out to Kurt by just down to the wire in 2008 then to be not even worth keeping this year. Now tell me that.

I know that I am going to hear from the guys on this forum that I call "MANNY MOE AND JACK." But I do not put any credence into anything that the say on this forum.

BOBCAT

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Rigghhhht buddy they ran the ball 85% of the time all season because Whiz really loved and trusted his QB! Whatever some people see what they want too. If you believe Whiz has any freaking clue how to pick a good QB then you have not been paying attention!

Hmmm...85% huh?

Lets see

Ben attempted 469 passes in 2006
Ben attempted 404 passes in 2007 (in 15 games)

The steelers ran the ball 467 times in 2006
The steelers rushed the ball 511 times in 2007

Thats right around 50% each year. Hardly 85%.

I get it, you dont like him. He is a terrble coach and cant evaluate talent. (Although he made the decision to go with Kurt, but we will leave that out)

Hate, hate, hate

 

[Duckjake]

Hmmm...85% huh?

Lets see

Ben attempted 469 passes in 2006
Ben attempted 404 passes in 2007 (in 15 games)

The steelers ran the ball 467 times in 2006
The steelers rushed the ball 511 times in 2007

Thats right around 50% each year. Hardly 85%.

I get it, you dont like him. He is a terrble coach and cant evaluate talent. (Although he made the decision to go with Kurt, but we will leave that out)

Hate, hate, hate

Whisenhunt had the magic but he's lost his mind now. Too much time playing golf with super rich advertisers.

All that talent still playing inconsistent football and less talented guys starting ahead of better players. After 3.5 years we're right back where we started at the bottom of the NFL in almost every statistical category.

So what if we're 3-3? McGinnis had his 2002 team at 4-2 and they were horrible. Heck even his 2003 team rallied to win 2 in a row to get to 3-5.... and then lost 7 straight.

Oh, and BTW our special teams have been playing great.

 

[nashman]

Are you actually saying since he selected Warner over leinart to start that he can evaluate qb talent? That's funny since by almost everyones account it was obvious in preseason that Warner was the man. So you think by picking a former superbowl winning MVP qb to start over an inexperienced leinart qualifies as being able to judge qb talent...if so not sure what to even say to you. I am sorry I don't blindly follow every move whiz makes ... I think he makes some ridiculous decisions and they worked out for him until now! He looks like a complete moron for cutting leinart to go with the scrubs we are playing! Did not agree with it then and clearly not now, and if you don't think a lot of players on the team feel the same way your wrong. Gaurantee their are players questioning these odd decisions whiz is making and if things don't change soon he may lose this team!

 

[Duckjake]

Are you actually saying since he selected Warner over leinart to start that he can evaluate qb talent? That's funny since by almost everyones account it was obvious in preseason that Warner was the man. So you think by picking a former superbowl winning MVP qb to start over an inexperienced leinart qualifies as being able to judge qb talent...if so not sure what to even say to you. I am sorry I don't blindly follow every move whiz makes ... I think he makes some ridiculous decisions and they worked out for him until now! He looks like a complete moron for cutting leinart to go with the scrubs we are playing! Did not agree with it then and clearly not now, and if you don't think a lot of players on the team feel the same way your wrong. Gaurantee their are players questioning these odd decisions whiz is making and if things don't change soon he may lose this team!

If CKW picked Warner over Leinart based solely on the results of the preseason games of 2008 then I would seriously doubt his ability to judge QB talent.

But I don't believe "everyone's account" and feel strongly that Warner's impressive performance in the 2nd half of the 2007 season is what got him the job in 2008.

I just don't see how any Coach anywhere could ignore 2,362 yards passing 21 TDs and a 5-3 record over the last 8 games of that season. Heck the guy ended the season with 3,417 yards passing and 27 TDs playing part time to start the season.

The only thing I could see CKW looking for in preseason '08 was if Warner's age would be a problem.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Are you actually saying since he selected Warner over leinart to start that he can evaluate qb talent? That's funny since by almost everyones account it was obvious in preseason that Warner was the man. So you think by picking a former superbowl winning MVP qb to start over an inexperienced leinart qualifies as being able to judge qb talent...if so not sure what to even say to you. And I suppose you give Whiz no credit for changing Warners habits and making him a better QB? Did you actually see how bad Warner was in NY? Blame for all the bad, but no credit for all the good is what I am seeing from you. I am sorry I don't blindly follow every move whiz makes ... I think he makes some ridiculous decisions and they worked out for him until now! He looks like a complete moron for cutting leinart to go with the scrubs we are playing! Did not agree with it then and clearly not now, and if you don't think a lot of players on the team feel the same way your wrong. Which players have you talked to about this again? Coz I dont hear anything like that? Maybe its coz I live in Vegas...we are kinda sheltered up here. Gaurantee their are players questioning these odd decisions whiz is making and if things don't change soon he may lose this team!

How you can say Whiz had nothing to do with Warner's resurrection yet blame him for allt he bad things that happen is beyond me. Has he made some bad choices? Of course. But stop for one second and remember where this franchise has come from. He has done so much for this team and organization and i think he deserves the beneift of the doubt right now.

You are like a spoiled child over the last 3 years. Now that you arent gettign everything you want, you start whining. I dont remember anything coming from you about Whiz over the last couple of seasons. Seems you were "blindly" following him then!

 

[Shane]

Could care less what Matt is doing. Last I checked he is a 3rd stringer for the Texans.

 

[Redheart]

Could care less what Matt is doing. Last I checked he is a 3rd stringer for the Texans.

Yes, it is week 8 and Matt is STILL third string behind someone named Dan Orlovsky...Orwhosky....whatever.

After 8 weeks he is still third string. Yep, the same Matt "fire-in-the-belly" Leinart we have come to know.

What do you bet he still doesn't know the playbook?

 

[DoTheDew]

Hmmm...85% huh?

Lets see

Ben attempted 469 passes in 2006
Ben attempted 404 passes in 2007 (in 15 games)

The steelers ran the ball 467 times in 2006
The steelers rushed the ball 511 times in 2007

Thats right around 50% each year. Hardly 85%.

I get it, you dont like him. He is a terrble coach and cant evaluate talent. (Although he made the decision to go with Kurt, but we will leave that out)

Hate, hate, hate

I believe he was talking about Big Ben's 2nd year where they beat Seattle in the SB (2005). Big Ben attempted 268 passes. The team as a whole passed 379 times and ran 549. Which means they passed 40.8% of the time. Still a lot more than 15% Nashman was saying, but still I don't see why you are using 2007 when that was Whiz's first year coaching us? In 05 and 06 the Steelers didn't like to pass that is a fact. Even though Nashman's numbers are hyperbole, it's not hating to say that Whiz didn't like putting the ball in Big Ben's hand, at least until Ben won the SB.

 

[Duckjake]

Yes, it is week 8 and Matt is STILL third string behind someone named Dan Orlovsky...Orwhosky....whatever.

After 8 weeks he is still third string. Yep, the same Matt "fire-in-the-belly" Leinart we have come to know.

What do you bet he still doesn't know the playbook?

Meanwhile our QBs start the Seattle game 4-16 and end the game 4-17. Looks like our guys don't know the playbook either and should be third string somewhere.

13.5 QB rating last week from our starter and you guys are gloating over some other team's player's situation. Nuts.

 

[Darkside]

I've failed to understand why everyone was so happy to get rid of Leinart to begin with. I realize the guy had his faults, but fact is he did his time and deserved the shot to lead the team. He NEVER had that chance, because he was never Whisenhunt's guy.

Would he have been a world beater? There's no way of knowing. Even so, he would be world's better than the QBs Arizona's trotting out there now.

I don't fault Max Hall. He DOES have some intangibles that make him a work in progress, but he's just that.. A work in progress. I didn't think he was ready immediately, and still don't. Same with Skelton.

Problem is, the only other option is Derek Anderson, who minus one season, has been a career bust.

Leinart's gone now and there's no point in speculating what might have been I suppose, however honestly and truly were the Cards in that good of a position to cut him?

This concerns me more than anything tbh. I think all it did was send a message to the team that loyalty means squat. Yet Whiz is going to have to turn around and pray that Fitz is loyal enough to stay based just on faith. If there's no loyalty there's no real team. It devolves into a bunch of individual dudes trying to make plays. I think that decision hurt this team psychologically and it really has nothing to do with whether Leinart would have helped or not.

 

[Redheart]

Meanwhile our QBs start the Seattle game 4-16 and end the game 4-17. Looks like our guys don't know the playbook either and should be third string somewhere.

13.5 QB rating last week from our starter and you guys are gloating over some other team's player's situation. Nuts.

You hang a lot on that Seahawk game; I don't . I want to see Max at home again. I saw enough of Lienart; sadly our 13.5 rated QB beat the 5-year verteran out in one camp; that is on Matt and nobody else.

Nobody is gloating. Nobody is happy.

Not even Matt; and that is what this thread is about.

 

[conraddobler]

You hang a lot on that Seahawk game; I don't . I want to see Max at home again. I saw enough of Lienart; sadly our 13.5 rated QB beat the 5-year verteran out in one camp; that is on Matt and nobody else.

Nobody is gloating. Nobody is happy.

Not even Matt; and that is what this thread is about.

Did he really get beaten out or did our coaches just chose the wrong guy for other reasons?

It's not as if a panel of impartial judges determined that Matt lost and Max won.

No DA was the starter, Max must of shown enough to allow our coaches to fire Matt.

That's their opinion, it's not a fact that Matt was worse or lesser it's an opinion that can now be judged based on watching the alternatives QB the team.

So far I think they messed up bad but I remain open to changing my mind.

 

[Duckjake]

You hang a lot on that Seahawk game; I don't . I want to see Max at home again. I saw enough of Lienart; sadly our 13.5 rated QB beat the 5-year verteran out in one camp; that is on Matt and nobody else.

Nobody is gloating. Nobody is happy.

Not even Matt; and that is what this thread is about.

How about throwing an interception on his first drive 3 out of 4 times? Scoring no TDs which was one of the knocks on Leinart this pre season.

Our guys haven't been close to good and so we shouldn't be harping on another team's QB which is what my post is about.

 

[Redheart]

How about throwing an interception on his first drive 3 out of 4 times? Scoring no TDs which was one of the knocks on Leinart this pre season.

Our guys haven't been close to good and so we shouldn't be harping on another team's QB which is what my post is about.

How many picks did the Bradford throw against us, in his own house! Rookie stuff; not happy about it, but the REAL question is can he correct. This will be Hall's THIRD start with a week of practice behind him. Can he improve? He must if he wants to keep starting.

This thread is about another team's QB that used to be ours and who is supposedly "grinning", why shouldn't we be posting our opinons ... err "harping" ... again?

 

[kerouac9]

How many picks did the Bradford throw against us, in his own house! Rookie stuff; not happy about it, but the REAL question is can he correct. This will be Hall's THIRD start with a week of practice behind him. Can he improve? He must if he wants to keep starting.

This thread is about another team's QB that used to be ours and who is supposedly "grinning", why shouldn't we be posting our opinons ... err "harping" ... again?

Bradford also threw a TD and completed 58.2% of his passes for 253 yards. With a rookie, you take the bad with the good. I think the thing about Hall is that there's a whole lot of bad and precious little good.

Max Hall has 59 NFL attempts in his young career and I'm not sure that he's completed more than 5 or 6 passes that I couldn't have completed. It's great that he can take a licking and keep on ticking (although in two starts he's had to leave the field twice), but at some point you have to show you have the physical ability to play in this league.