Leinart or Warner

[Shane]

Warner at any price.

I don't see where the problem lies. I would be dead on the floor shocked if the Cardinals can redo Wilson, and Boldin's contracts all in one year.

They are not going to sign any big name free agents.

The money is there. Sign the guy that took us to the show. Get the deal done.

The money given for the salary cap is there to use. It almost seems the Cardinals work harder not to use the money then actually using it.

It would help to understand what is going on if we where given an idea of a plan.

Sign core players? Nope. Didn't extend Dansby, didn't re-sign Warner, didn't redo Boldin, didn't extend Wilson. All these things could have been done BEFORE free agency ever started. Now we are supposed to believe Graves and company will magically be able to get this all done later on ?

Please.

As I said.....Warner at any price. Because whatever the gap is between Graves and Warner's agent is, I can count on it sitting around as un-used space going into the 2009 season.

I am so glad you arent doing the negotiating. Not a dime over 10.5 million.

Bring on Matty!

 

[azsouthendzone]

I posted quite a while ago, we'd only have one of the two on our team this year and I will be right.

QB depth chart in 2009:
1. The winner of the two man tussle;
2. Brian St. Pierre
3. Pat White from WVU (pipe dream, I know)

I don't care either way. If Warner is the QB I will cheer for him. If it's Leinart I will cheer for him.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Warner has had one excellent HOF season here, one good season here and two awful seasons here. He is 37, has great WR's and says he wants to stay, yet is bitching about an extra million to a million and a half. See ya later Kurt, thanks, but it is time for Leinart. I am sick of these guys holding this team hostage.

 

[dogpoo32]

Warner at any price.

I don't see where the problem lies. I would be dead on the floor shocked if the Cardinals can redo Wilson, and Boldin's contracts all in one year.

They are not going to sign any big name free agents.

The money is there. Sign the guy that took us to the show. Get the deal done.

The money given for the salary cap is there to use. It almost seems the Cardinals work harder not to use the money then actually using it.

It would help to understand what is going on if we where given an idea of a plan.

Sign core players? Nope. Didn't extend Dansby, didn't re-sign Warner, didn't redo Boldin, didn't extend Wilson. All these things could have been done BEFORE free agency ever started. Now we are supposed to believe Graves and company will magically be able to get this all done later on ?

Please.

As I said.....Warner at any price. Because whatever the gap is between Graves and Warner's agent is, I can count on it sitting around as un-used space going into the 2009 season.

Why redo people who are under contract before free agency? Talk about handcuffing yourself. You act like its all over. Kurt can go fly a kite for all I care, but ffs... Its 1 day into free agency...

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Kurt Warner is our starter for the next 2 years!

 

[azsouthendzone]

Collins got 7.5 and some on here want to give Warner double LOL

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Collins got 7.5 and some on here want to give Warner double LOL

Link or I don't believe it!

 

[ajcardfan]

Collins got 7.5 and some on here want to give Warner double LOL

I don't see anyone wanting him to get double, not even his agent.

Still, this comparison to Collins is based on nothing more than age. The two teams were about as different as could be. Collins was able to throw for 135 yds and win games. When Warner didn't play well, our offense was horrendous. If anything, Collins' contract hurts the Cards more than helps if you evaluate actual passing ability.

 

[Shane]

I don't see anyone wanting him to get double, not even his agent.

Rugby sure does!

 

[ajcardfan]

Rugby sure does!

I just looked at the poll and only 1 out of 35 voted for over 12mil. And, only a couple on the lowball end too.

 

[RolleRocks]

Matt Leinart: 6 years/$50.8M, or $8.4M/year.

And he can't carry Warner's jock.

Warner should get at least what Cassel gets, the average of the top 5 NFL QB's.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Why redo people who are under contract before free agency? Talk about handcuffing yourself. You act like its all over. Kurt can go fly a kite for all I care, but ffs... Its 1 day into free agency...

It is one day into free agency. Agreed.

It is three weeks since the Superbowl and the Cardinals have not done anything to lead me to believe they are interested in keeping "there core players"

I have no problem with the Cardinals not doing jack in the first couple of days of free agency. They have a policy not to do so unless someone REALLY intriguing comes along.

But don't piss down my back and tell me its raining. Or in other words don't talk about keeping a core bunch of guys together and do nothing.

Slapping a franchise tag on a player and saying it is to buy time to work a deal out has lost its merit with me.

The Cardinals have accomplished nothing more than re-signing Brian St.Pierre, and handing out RFA's and EFA's.

If they are not going to spend time on big name FA's then spend the time extending deals, and keeping core players. I would not consider extending Adrian Wilson, handcuffing yourself, in any way shape or form. It would actualy be doing some work, and getting one of the many situations delt with on this team.

The Cardinals seem to being getting nothing done but one big PR circle jerk.

As you said it is still early, but as of right now I have my doubts about the Cardinals FO's abilty to do what it take to make good on their word and keep the core intact. Just do what they said they would do.

As for doing nothing in the offseason beside the draft to better the team.....well that is par for the course. That is expected. But at least keep your word, and do some work toward keeping the core of the team together.

And when it comes to free agency, if Warner was not part of the core of this team last year, I would LOVE to know WTF the Cardinals front office believes the core of the team consists of.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Rugby sure does!

Keep the core together...that is what I was told. I can care less about following the sheep.

I have refused to walk with the masses before. At least I stick to my guns.

 

[Shane]

Keep the core together...that is what I was told. I can care less about following the sheep.

I have refused to walk with the masses before. At least I stick to my guns.

Core is the group of young players that this team can build and grow around. Warner most definitely doesnt qualify on age alone no matter what he did last year.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Keep the core together...that is what I was told. I can care less about following the sheep.

I have refused to walk with the masses before. At least I stick to my guns.

Agreed! QB is part of the core! Kurt Warner will be a Cardinal for the next 2 years. It just comes as a shock that the 49ers would try to go after Kurt Warner when they have a superstar QB of their own if he strengthens his arm!

 

[ajcardfan]

Keep the core together...that is what I was told. I can care less about following the sheep.

I have refused to walk with the masses before. At least I stick to my guns.

I don't agree with that total salary. But, that would be a LOT better than what a couple of other posters are saying in lowballing the guy down to Collins contract. THAT would be a fricking PR fiasco and hurt the holy hell out of this team, no matter what Warner does.

 

[Shane]

I don't agree with that total salary. But, that would be a LOT better than what a couple of other posters are saying in lowballing the guy down to Collins contract. THAT would be a fricking PR fiasco and hurt the holy hell out of this team, no matter what Warner does.

Agreed. Kerry Collins contract is to low. !0 Million to 10.5 is right on.... 12+ is just to damned much. JMHO

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Agreed. Kerry Collins contract is to low. !0 Million to 10.5 is right on.... 12+ is just to damned much. JMHO

Agree $0-10.5M is about right for him. Take the middle of that and $5-6M is very fair for him.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Agreed. Kerry Collins contract is to low. !0 Million to 10.5 is right on.... 12+ is just to damned much. JMHO

That is understandable.

What is gonna piss me off is that we could lose another good shot and going all the way over 2 or 3 million dollars

And I can see the Cardinals walking into next season with 2 or 3 million dollars of wasted cap room next season. So in my mind I ask what is the difference?

In all honesty, if Warner walks, Boldin walks, and this team extends Dansby, and Wilson. I would be happy.

I just don't think the front office is going to get all that done. The Cardinals are notorious for talking a good game, about extensions, and addressing players, but on more than one occasion they have not followed through. The Cardinals can not sell me on the fact they will need money elsewhere.

Plus time is a factor. If the Cardinals want to go with Leinart, I am obviously OK with that, but our run game would need some attention. Attention that I don't think it would recieve, because it would take too many deal, and moves to make it happen, and the Cardinals front office doesn't have the ability to get more than one or two deals of signifigance done each offseason. History has proven so time and time again.

Of course, I would LOVE for them to prove me wrong.

 

[ajcardfan]

Agreed. Kerry Collins contract is to low. !0 Million to 10.5 is right on.... 12+ is just to damned much. JMHO

Yeah, we're like-minded on this. And, I think, odds are, in a couple of days Warner will sign with us right around those numbers.

 

[Shane]

That is understandable.

What is gonna piss me off is that we could lose another good shot and going all the way over 2 or 3 million dollars

And I can see the Cardinals walking into next season with 2 or 3 million dollars of wasted cap room next season. So in my mind I ask what is the difference?

In all honesty, if Warner walks, Boldin walks, and this team extends Dansby, and Wilson. I would be happy. I just don't think the front office is going to get all that done.

Its not wasted cap room though. You HAVE to account for the escalators that some players may hit AKA Warner last year who made another 3 million due to playoff incentives. Its there for a reason.

 

[moklerman]

Its not wasted cap room though. You HAVE to account for the escalators that some players may hit AKA Warner last year who made another 3 million due to playoff incentives. Its there for a reason.

What if they're up against the cap and too many escalators are reached though? It just rolls over to next year doesn't it?

 

[RolleRocks]

What if they're up against the cap and too many escalators are reached though? It just rolls over to next year doesn't it?

Are you going to ask a guy that should have won an MVP, and then almost won the Super Bowl to sign a contract laden with escalators and incentives?

 

[dogpoo32]

Are you going to ask a guy that should have won an MVP, and then almost won the Super Bowl to sign a contract laden with escalators and incentives?

Yes. He's 38, he needs to prove he can play at 38. Then at 39 too.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Yes. He's 38, he needs to prove he can play at 38. Then at 39 too.

Every player needs to prove theirself no matter how old they are. I do agree where you were going with that tho.