Leinart & Sports Center

[D-Dogg]

This line makes the rest of the post even more ridiculous.

What, you can't picture this?

Chase Daniel finished his college career 807/1245 (64.8%) for 10,693 yards and 99 touchdowns with just 23 interceptions. He is USC's all-time leader in career touchdown passes and completion percentage, and is second at USC behind Palmer in completions and yardage. He averaged nearly 8.6 yards per attempt, and averaged only one interception every 54 attempts. He was 37-2 as a starter.

Neither can I...

 

[Mulli]

For the record I like Matt a lot and want him to be the QB of the future and I believe he can.

This isn't USC and that mindset will not work here or in the NFL.

He needs to listen to Edge when he tells him what Peyton does and how hard he prepares and he needs to do that because he can't throw like Peyton can but he can prepare like him and he can be a great QB since I think he's smart enough and poised enough to win a championship.

I would have prefered that he had impressed Whis with how fast he got the offense and how hard he worked to get it.

Matt got complacent, this is just Whis blasting that out of him, I think the message was sent loud and clear and next year we'll get Matt's response to it.

I think he'll respond well, we'll see.

I had no idea about that Mizzou QB. Strange that I am only a few hundred miles away but had heard about him really. Nice to have some new blood winning in the Big 10.

 

[D-Dogg]

This isn't USC and that mindset will not work here or in the NFL.

What mindset? Leinart got nothing easy there...he wasn't expected to be there long. He GRABBED the glory dangled in front of him there...it wasn't draped over his shoulders.

He needs to listen to Edge when he tells him what Peyton does and how hard he prepares and he needs to do that because he can't throw like Peyton can but he can prepare like him and he can be a great QB since I think he's smart enough and poised enough to win a championship.

Who says he doesn't listen to Edge? Do you think Edge would still talk to him and back him if he WASN'T listening?

Matt got complacent

Says who? Nobody on the staff has said this. They have said that they worked on his footwork. You look at his feet and can see he's working on it..he doesn't look comfortable. Is it because he has to look at his wristband on plays? So does Warner...that's what it's there for.

This "matt isn't dedicated" and "matt is complacent" and all those lines are pure conjecture with no real basis in fact.

He may, or may not have "it" but right now we really don't have a lot to judge him on. I just think it is shocking that guys like Josh McCown and Jake Plummer got a LOOOOOOT more benefit of the doubt than Leinart.

 

[justAndy]

Look, Treesquid - a lot of us have lived through Jake Plummer - he did get us to a playoff win, then turned into a duck flinging headache.
I'm one of many that are of the opinion that he has his priorities out of whack and poor study habits.
He does have talent.
He CAN become a good NFL QB.
Will he?

 

[john h]

Cardsfan you put out some great posts, but that was by far one of the best posts I have seen by anyone in here in a long time. Good job man.

I have seen no one suggest dumping Matt Leinart. Most of the post are questioning his ability to be the QBOTF. I think that is a legitimate concern. He played much worse this year than last. That is and should be a concern. Even a novice like me who watches all the games can see the guy is having some real problems and looks very unsure of himself. I have never seen a QB look at his wristband so often for the plays. I do not know if this is significant or not. He often has happy feet which tells me either he is unsure of what he sees or does not know what to do. His QB rating speaks for itself. Warner has almost double the rating of Matt. If this was not his first year I would be less concerned but he has played what? 17 games? He should be progressing not regressing. His reputation of spending much of his time with the Hollywood crowd when he could be learning is his own fault whether it is true or not. If his teammates think he is not in this thing for real they are not going to respond to his leadership. He will have to earn that on the field.

Matt will be with us for at least 2 more years I think but he just might be spending one of them on the bench if he does not show significant improvement next year. Our new coaches are here to win and they are not going to jepordize the team winning games by not putting out the best QB they have available. It is up to Matt and his future is in his hands. Either produce on the field or get out of the way as there are people out there who will give it there all and would love to have the opportunity you have. You cannot be a rookie for ever and you cannot be a QBOTF forever. I certainly hope the light comes on for Matt as I sure do not want to go through another 6 years looking for a young QB who can take us all the way.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Maybe I am making assumptions - based on how lost he looks on the field, and him throwng a Jake-like duck into double coverage 2nd play from scrimmage last Sunday.

Riiiight. so every QB who looks spotty this Sunday you are assuming was on all night drinkng binge.

Joe, Abomb and Donald are all right. When are we going to learn to stop eating our own and then once we are proved wrong, jumping right back on the band wagon.

All the Leinart partying stuff is way overblown. After the Super Douche bag incident I have a hard time saying anything I hear second hand but I have a close friend who was in Baltimore for the weekend we played up there for a wedding. ironically enough many of the attendees were staying in the same hotel. He said he saw Leinart in the bar the night before the game having a drink and having small talk with company.

You know who the company was? Q.

You know who had a ridiculous game the next day? Q

Leinarts problems are more to do with a new offense and being young. I can name on one hand the QB's who have come in and blown up statistically. And for the guy who said he would rather have Cutler - have you been watching the NFL this year. Cutler has looked lost, turnover prone, cant throw the deep ball and isolated and aloof from the team. Does that mean he is going to be a bust? Maybe or Maybe not. But trying to make long term generalizations with the circumstances he has dealt with is kinda dumb. You might end up being right - but not because you knew anything any of us didn't.

I think the best post is Donald's containing Leinarts quotes of his first two years at SC. Looks to me like the EXACT same thing as here. And IIRC that turned out okay for Southern Cal.

 

[justAndy]

So - what is Matt's TD/INT ratio this year?
As stated before - I believe he has potential to be very good - just not showing it so far this year.
If it's not due to partying too much, it's even WORSE - it means he's a slow learner.

 

[D-Dogg]

it's even WORSE - it means he's a slow learner.

Yeah, a few months to learn a new system and also make mechanical adjustments to his game. As a second year guy still adjusting to the NFL in general.

Terrible!!!!

 

[MrYeahBut]

Son you aint nearly as good as you pretend to be and you've got miles to go to even sniff that territory, study and become one with this offense or get the hell off my team.

I think he's made that pretty clear in a nice sorta, publicly humiliating but still human I'll give you a chance anyway, way.

Conrad, I tend to agree with you on this part of your post. I think Whiz is a real no-nonsense type of coach and he may have just been trying to send this message to Matt before he got injured

 

[cardsfanmd]

Cardsfan you put out some great posts, but that was by far one of the best posts I have seen by anyone in here in a long time. Good job man.

Thank you so much. Coming from a well respected poster like yourself that means a lot to me.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I have seen no one suggest dumping Matt Leinart. Most of the post are questioning his ability to be the QBOTF. I think that is a legitimate concern. He played much worse this year than last. That is and should be a concern. Even a novice like me who watches all the games can see the guy is having some real problems and looks very unsure of himself. I have never seen a QB look at his wristband so often for the plays. I do not know if this is significant or not. He often has happy feet which tells me either he is unsure of what he sees or does not know what to do. His QB rating speaks for itself. Warner has almost double the rating of Matt. If this was not his first year I would be less concerned but he has played what? 17 games? He should be progressing not regressing. His reputation of spending much of his time with the Hollywood crowd when he could be learning is his own fault whether it is true or not. If his teammates think he is not in this thing for real they are not going to respond to his leadership. He will have to earn that on the field.

Matt will be with us for at least 2 more years I think but he just might be spending one of them on the bench if he does not show significant improvement next year. Our new coaches are here to win and they are not going to jepordize the team winning games by not putting out the best QB they have available. It is up to Matt and his future is in his hands. Either produce on the field or get out of the way as there are people out there who will give it there all and would love to have the opportunity you have. You cannot be a rookie for ever and you cannot be a QBOTF forever. I certainly hope the light comes on for Matt as I sure do not want to go through another 6 years looking for a young QB who can take us all the way.

I am sorry, but this post reeks. There is a reason that the saying "Sophomore Slump" exists. IT IS COMMON. Matt has had a ton of stuff thrown at him and hasn't cracked yet. Leave the man alone. He came in last year after missing two weeks of training camp and picked up Denny's playbook like it was nothing. So for any of you who are calling him dumb you need to look in the mirror. For those who say he was given the best players and playbook in college please remember how many of his best plays were audibles he called on the line. I dont know how many times you will have to hear this to get it but he is a second year player in a first year offense. If you were expecting much more out of him it is you who is in the wrong, not Matt.

 

[D-Dogg]

Leave the man alone. .

LEAVE MATT LEINART ALONE!!! All he wants to do is play for you and all you do is bash him! LEAVE MATT ALONE!!

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[Shane]

I am sorry, but this post reeks. There is a reason that the saying "Sophomore Slump" exists. IT IS COMMON. Matt has had a ton of stuff thrown at him and hasn't cracked yet. Leave the man alone. He came in last year after missing two weeks of training camp and picked up Denny's playbook like it was nothing. So for any of you who are calling him dumb you need to look in the mirror. For those who say he was given the best players and playbook in college please remember how many of his best plays were audibles he called on the line. I dont know how many times you will have to hear this to get it but he is a second year player in a first year offense. If you were expecting much more out of him it is you who is in the wrong, not Matt.

You are just making invalid excuses for him. Matt who like you said picked up Denny Greens offense and learned it no problem should be able to pick up Whisnehunts run first offensive approach with no problem as well. He didnt come into camp late and had all offseason and mini camps to learn it. He has been used to running NFL complex/style of offense ever since college. We have been outright told that his football acumen is his strongest suit.

So Im not buying your whole learning a new offense as an excuse.

I somewhat buy into Donalds theory that he is so worried about his footwork that it has messed up his mechanics and he thinks to much. But not totally. He shouldnt be as lost as he has been out there. He should also be able to run a hurry up offense. He quite simply dramatically regressed this year. A player with Matt's football savvy and talent shouldn't regress. I could see it if his play was on teh level with last year and chalk that up to being overcoached and new system. But it wasnt even close he was just BAD.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You are just making invalid excuses for him. Matt who like you said picked up Denny Greens offense and learned it no problem should be able to pick up Whisnehunts run first offensive approach with no problem as well. He didnt come into camp late and had all offseason and mini camps to learn it. He has been used to running NFL complex/style of offense ever since college. We have been outright told that his football acumen is his strongest suit.

So Im not buying your whole learning a new offense as an excuse.

I somewhat buy into Donalds theory that he is so worried about his footwork that it has messed up his mechanics and he thinks to much. But not totally. He shouldnt be as lost as he has been out there. He should also be able to run a hurry up offense. He quite simply dramatically regressed this year. A player with Matt's football savvy and talent shoudl regress. I could see it if his play was on teh level with last year and chalk that up to being overcoached and new system. But it wasnt even close he was just BAD.

There is no way I am making excuse for the guy, I dont even like him. All I am saying is that you cannot really judge a young QB until his 3rd or 4rth year or 2nd or 3rd in a system. You guys are just so used to failure with this club you seem to expect it now, and refuse to relax let things play out.

 

[cardsfanmd]

LEAVE MATT LEINART ALONE!!! All he wants to do is play for you and all you do is bash him! LEAVE MATT ALONE!!

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The first time I read through this thread I was surprised no one had done this yet. Nice.

 

[D-Dogg]

I somewhat buy into Donalds theory that he is so worried about his footwork that it has messed up his mechanics and he thinks to much. .

He just looked wholly uncomfortable back there. Just ridiculously out of place. Not lost so much as looking like someone siphoned every bit of confidence out of him, spun him around with a blindfold a few times, set him in the pocket and tore the blindfold off yelling "GO!"

But it wasnt even close he was just BAD

The thing to bear in mind though, he wasn't worse than his bad games last year though. He didn't regress past his low points from last season. However, he didn't make that leap forward that many of us expected.

 

[Shane]

There is no way I am making excuse for the guy, I dont even like him. All I am saying is that you cannot really judge a young QB until his 3rd or 4rth year or 2nd or 3rd in a system. You guys are just so used to failure with this club you seem to expect it now, and refuse to relax let things play out.

To many QB's have done very well in this league in years 1 and 2 to say you cant judge them yet. There have been several 2nd year PBers at the position for that matter. Matt had just that type of hype and has been billed by EVERYONE as the most NFL ready QB to come out of college EVER!

Like I said I wouldnt be concerned if he payed at a level simlar to last year and didnt really improve per se. But he hasent. He has regressed and badly!

 

[Mulli]

To many QB's have done very well in this league in years 1 and 2 to say you cant judge them yet. There have been several 2nd year PBers at the position for that matter. Matt had just that type of hype and has been billed by EVERYONE as the most NFL ready QB to come out of college EVER!

Like I said I wouldnt be concerned if he payed at a level simlar to last year and didnt really improve per se. But he hasent. He has regressed and badly!

None of those did it with a new head coach and new offensive system. None. You can make a judgment sure. But the Pro Bowl second years, didn't do it under these circumstances.

 

[cardsfanmd]

To many QB's have done very well in this league in years 1 and 2 to say you cant judge them yet. There have been several 2nd year PBers at the position for that matter. Matt had just that type of hype and has been billed by EVERYONE as the most NFL ready QB to come out of college EVER!

Like I said I wouldnt be concerned if he payed at a level simlar to last year and didnt really improve per se. But he hasent. He has regressed and badly!

Not saying your wrong, but could you name a few guys young guys who performed much better in their first year in a new offense.

 

[Shane]

None of those did it with a new head coach and new offensive system. None. You can make a judgment sure. But the Pro Bowl second years, didn't do it under these circumstances.

Oh what the hell do you know?

 

[Shane]

Not saying your wrong, but could you name a few guys young guys who performed much better in their first year in a new offense.

I really cant say if any of them were with a new coach. But I do know that Dan Marino and Bret Favre were both in there first year of their new offense on as a rook and one in his 2nd year when they both performed at a VERY high level in new systems and new environments. Neither one of them were billed as the most NFL ready QB's coming out either.

 

[Mulli]

Oh what the hell do you know?

I made it up. I don't know if they did or didn't.

 

[Mulli]

I really cant say if any of them were with a new coach. But I do know that Dan Marino and Bret Favre were both in there first year of their new offense on as a rook and one in his 2nd year when they both performed at a VERY high level in new systems and new environments. Neither one of them were billed as the most NFL ready QB's coming out either.

 

[Shane]

Dan MArino was in his first year with the dolphins playing with an entirely new sytem than he had in college and took his team to the SB.

Brett Favre was trded from the Falcons and sent to the Packers after his rookie year and played very well for the pack in that 2nd year with a new team/coach/system unless Im mistaken.

 

[Mulli]

Dan MArino was in his first year with the dolphins playing with an entirely new sytem than he had in college and took his team to the SB.

Brett Favre was trded from the Falcons and sent to the Packers after his rookie year and played very well for the pack in that 2nd year with a new team/coach/system unless Im mistaken.

I am not going to look up either. But did you expect Leinart to be like, arguably two of the best QB's ever? Wasn't Miami a playoff team before Marino got there?

You suck anyways, nutpumper.