Let’s get back on the front page!

[slanidrac16]

we need to become relevant again. After all the banter , all the talk and all the discussion I think this would do it 1. Go get Antonio Brown. He would probably cost our second round pick. 2. Go get the 2 biggest and baddest o- lineman in free agency. 3. Draft Bosa. With Garoppolo, Goff and Wilson in our division we need to be able to create havoc in all of their backfields. 4. Draft the bpa with the rest of the draft regardless of position. Envision a wr Corp of Fitz, Brown, Kirk. Imagine bringing in Edmonds and splitting out David Johnson. Now imagine an offensive line that can give Rosen 3.5 seconds to pass. Imagine the media coverage and now picture a true sell out home crowd. Let’s do this!

 

[Shane]

You lost me at the 31 YO Diva Antonio Brown.

 

[Solar7]

I'm all for it. But let's also make smart team moves, I don't want to just be in the front of the sports section to be relegated to "Will the Cardinals trade their best players" talk by October.

 

[Shane]

I'm all for it. But let's also make smart team moves, I don't want to just be in the front of the sports section to be relegated to "Will the Cardinals trade their best players" talk by October.

You don't give 2nd round pics for aging WR's regardless how goof they are. Thats how your team gets old fast. Especially aging ones that want new contracts with more guaranteed money. Especially aging ones that are Divas and all about themsleves and the attention they bring to themselves not the team.

 

[slanidrac16]

You lost me at the 31 YO Diva Antonio Brown.

I can respect that. But if he were to come here and give us a typical average Antonio brown year or two it would be worth it. How much better would he make Rosen, Kirk and for that matter Fitz? Suddenly Larry the Legend is going against a 2 nd or 3rd cb. Personally I think Brown is a potential headache. However he could be highly motivated playing with Larry and want to make the Steelers look like idiots. I think it’s a safer gamble than thinking Murray is somehow the answer to all our prayers.

 

[Shane]

I can respect that. But if he were to come here and give us a typical average Antonio brown year or two it would be worth it. How much better would he make Rosen, Kirk and for that matter Fitz? Suddenly Larry the Legend is going against a 2 nd or 3rd cb. Personally I think Brown is a potential headache. However he could be highly motivated playing with Larry and want to make the Steelers look like idiots. I think it’s a safer gamble than think Murray is somehow the answer to all our prayers.

If youre going to risk this you go after OBJ not Brown

 

[Shane]

I can respect that. But if he were to come here and give us a typical average Antonio brown year or two it would be worth it. How much better would he make Rosen, Kirk and for that matter Fitz? Suddenly Larry the Legend is going against a 2 nd or 3rd cb. Personally I think Brown is a potential headache. However he could be highly motivated playing with Larry and want to make the Steelers look like idiots. I think it’s a safer gamble than thinking Murray is somehow the answer to all our prayers.

Dont get me wrong id be happy to have his talent on the field for a year or 2 i just don't think long term and while trying to build a consistent winner it is a good football decision.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Brown would be great, but without an entire o line it's a waste. Rosen had less than 2 seconds to throw the ball before he had guys all over him.
The O line must be made priority 1 - all the way from left tackle to right tackle..the Cards don't have one player that would should be starting on an NFL team.
Someone with a plan to fix this....post it...till that's done the Cards offense isn't going anywhere...even with A. Brown.

The defense moved backwards way too fast
Cardinals Defense gave up an average of 154 yards per game RUSHING which was far and away the worst in the NFL.

The Cardinals have no legitimate line backers. They're all hybrid safeties that are not built to take on runners on the inside play after play....and it showed.
Cardinals 2nd priority after the entire O line is finding actual line backers who are built like linebackers and can run sideline to sideline. D Buchanan is way too small to be a LB and wasn't smart enough to even pick up the play book last season - so much so he was benched.

Relevant - the Cardinals have miles and miles to go. Due to the nightmare that is the offensive line they are probably better off moving on from Rosen and going to Murray who can run out of the 2 second blocking the O line will give them...which is sad, but you work with what you have and not with what you wish you had. If the Cardinals keep Rosen and he gets blown up - as he eventually will with this o line - Cards will be using their backup qb by week 3...and they'll be officially out of the playoffs byOctober (again).

In summary - every O lineman needs to be replaced - yes every single one of those bums have proven they can't block...and they'll be facing the Rams D line twice....that should be enough to scare you straight.
After the O line get onto the LB's. Once and only once they're done the rest of their issues can be looked at.

There's a reason the Cardinals are at pick #1 - and it's not because they're close to a turn around.

I had Cards season tickets for 20 years....with last year being my final. I know more about this team than I care to.

 

[slanidrac16]

If youre going to risk this you go after OBJ not Brown

Can’t argue that Shane. However the Steelers are backed into a corner where the Giants would want a kings ransom and are not being forced to move him. Either way a dynamic Wr such as these two would instantly make this offense better. That’s also assuming we fix the o-line. After last year I want to see DRASTIC improvement in this offense right now.

 

[slanidrac16]

Brown would be great, but without an entire o line it's a waste. Rosen had less than 2 seconds to throw the ball before he had guys all over him.
The O line must be made priority 1 - all the way from left tackle to right tackle..the Cards don't have one player that would should be starting on an NFL team.
Someone with a plan to fix this....post it...till that's done the Cards offense isn't going anywhere...even with A. Brown.

The defense moved backwards way too fast
Cardinals Defense gave up an average of 154 yards per game RUSHING which was far and away the worst in the NFL.

The Cardinals have no legitimate line backers. They're all hybrid safeties that are not built to take on runners on the inside play after play....and it showed.
Cardinals 2nd priority after the entire O line is finding actual line backers who are built like linebackers and can run sideline to sideline. D Buchanan is way too small to be a LB and wasn't smart enough to even pick up the play book last season - so much so he was benched.

Relevant - the Cardinals have miles and miles to go. Due to the nightmare that is the offensive line they are probably better off moving on from Rosen and going to Murray who can run out of the 2 second blocking the O line will give them...which is sad, but you work with what you have and not with what you wish you had.

In summary - every O lineman needs to be replaced - yes every single one of those bums have proven they can't block...and they'll be facing the Rams D line twice....that should be enough to scare you straight.
After the O line get onto the LB's. Once and only once they're done the rest of their issues can be looked at.

There's a reason the Cardinals are at pick #1 - and it's not because they're close to a turn around.

Can’t disagree with a lot of what you say. However, this offense is already better to a certain degree just getting rid of the coaching staff we had. Yes, there are defensive deficiencies. It is not possible to repair both sides of the ball in one year. But if we go get Brown, sign two o- lineman and draft another one we would be well on our way to fixing the offense. Honestly there is nothing we can do on defense to win if we are scoring 13.5 points per game. Build an offense that can score 28 points a game and suddenly this defense will be better. If nothing else it will be a lot more fun to watch.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Can’t disagree with a lot of what you say. However, this offense is already better to a certain degree just getting rid of the coaching staff we had. Yes, there are defensive deficiencies. It is not possible to repair both sides of the ball in one year. But if we go get Brown, sign two o- lineman and draft another one we would be well on our way to fixing the offense. Honestly there is nothing we can do on defense to win if we are scoring 13.5 points per game. Build an offense that can score 28 points a game and suddenly this defense will be better. If nothing else it will be a lot more fun to watch.

I agree with you 100%, the question I'd have (as all Cardinals fans should) is how can the Cardinals utilize Brown when Rosen won't have 2 seconds to throw the ball.
What's the fix?
To me it's start drafting young talented O line - like the Colts have - and it'll take 2-3 years and you'll have a legitimate wall. Till then - trying to pay guys like Justin Pugh and Andre Smith big cash hoping paying them like all pro's will turn them into all pros just doesn't work....I will say the Cardinals new O line coach is dang good and has a proven track record of success.....whatever he said he wanted to do....I'd go get the guys he wants as soon as he wants and I'd follow him to the moon and back.

 

[Garthshort]

Tyler Murray will put us on the front and the back page.

 

[slanidrac16]

I agree with you 100%, the question I'd have (as all Cardinals fans should) is how can the Cardinals utilize Brown when Rosen won't have 2 seconds to throw the ball.
What's the fix?
To me it's start drafting young talented O line - like the Colts have - and it'll take 2-3 years and you'll have a legitimate wall. Till then - trying to pay guys like Justin Pugh and Andre Smith big cash hoping paying them like all pro's will turn them into all pros just doesn't work....I will say the Cardinals new O line coach is dang good and has a proven track record of success.....whatever he said he wanted to do....I'd go get the guys he wants as soon as he wants and I'd follow him to the moon and back.

That’s was mentioned in my post. I think I read somewhere the broncos lost 3 starters on the oline last year but still produced almost 2000 yard in rushing. It’s so hard to evaluate any of the current offensive linemen on this team with the staff , the play calling , the injuries and any chance of possible chemistry on the o- line. Can Kugler salvage a couple of these guys if at least serviceable quality backups?

 

[slanidrac16]

Tyler Murray will put us on the front and the back page.

I’m not looking for just “news” . In addition to news I want to see a dynamic improvement on offense. We can only imagine what Murray might or can do in the NFL. We KNOW what Brown can do.

 

[Ohcrap75]

The good news is that having the number one pick does put the Cardinals in the spotlight until late April. I really wish we would plan this offseason around making a run in two years. Signing/trading for players just reaching their prime instead of just leaving it. Unfortunately, the Alford signing was complete opposite!

 

[oaken1]

would rather stay off the front page. this team has never shown the ability to produce when they were not underdogs.

trading the first pick in the second round for an old WR who has already backed his team into a corner is just an unintelligent move. offer a fourth for brown, tell pittsburgh to take a hike if they want more.

 

[JeffGollin]

Goal is to win games.

Having good PR is a sideeshow.

Winning the media wars may make us feel better, but is likely to distract us from the real job at hand - winning football games and strengthening our roster to win more games.

 

[Zeno]

Tyler Murray will put us on the front and the back page.

Who?

 

[slanidrac16]

The good news is that having the number one pick does put the Cardinals in the spotlight until late April. I really wish we would plan this offseason around making a run in two years. Signing/trading for players just reaching their prime instead of just leaving it. Unfortunately, the Alford signing was complete opposite!

So are we just not supposed to sign anybody and hope we hit on all 7 or 8 of our draft picks this year and next? I don’t think anybody on this site wants us to tank the next two years. I guess we could trade Peterson , Johnson, and Chandler for a boatload of picks. I for one certainly don’t want to take that road.

 

[Frank The Fixer]

That 2nd round pick is way to valuable. Brown is a phenomenal player but as others have said it’s not just the pick it’s tbe contract that goes along with it.

 

[slanidrac16]

Goal is to win games.

Having good PR is a sideeshow.

Winning the media wars may make us feel better, but is likely to distract us from the real job at hand - winning football games and strengthening our roster to win more games.

so you don’t think signing brown and getting two proven o- lineman would not be strengthening our roster to win more games. Trent Brown, Roger Saffold sure would look good in red. Add AB and a real nfl offensive game plan and suddenly we a could be relevant AND good.

 

[slanidrac16]

That 2nd round pick is way to valuable. Brown is a phenomenal player but as others have said it’s not just the pick it’s tbe contract that goes along with it.

Allow me to slightly correct you. That 2nd round pick COULD be valuable and it could be a total bust. Brown would instantly upgrade this offense and it would also give Rosen , the Cards and us a dynamic weapon to better evaluate Rosen.

 

[Frank The Fixer]

Allow me to slightly correct you. That 2nd round pick COULD be valuable and it could be a total bust. Brown would instantly upgrade this offense and it would also give Rosen , the Cards and us a dynamic weapon to better evaluate Rosen.

Is 1.1 valuable?

 

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[JeffGollin]

so you don’t think signing brown and getting two proven o- lineman would not be strengthening our roster to win more games. Trent Brown, Roger Saffold sure would look good in red. Add AB and a real nfl offensive game plan and suddenly we a could be relevant AND good.

That wasn't the central gist of the question - Adding talent is a good thing. But not because "it puts us on the front page." Focus too much on making headlines and the danger is that we'll add the wrong players for all the wrong reasons (i.e. we might overlook an injury or forgive a kinky lifestyle in order to make a news splash).

Bill Belichick has (rightly or wrongly) been credited with "knowing how to win." I'd tend to agree with those who feel he's been successful because he's locked into winning games. I always wondered what that meant. Now I think I know - Not being overly concerned about "public image" may be Bellichick's secret.