Let’s Take a Moment to Overreact to Kyler’s IG Page

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Kid needs to grow the efff up

Remember maturity is demanded for the 23 year old QB not the forty/fifty something head coach and GM who are partying and nailing skanks half their age 3-4x per week.

 

[Shane]

The second Keim comes to Mo Gael and says we need to trade Kyler Murray he drink ass should be fired.

I’m not crazy about A LOT of his intangibles, but the talent is there. Leadership and toughness can be learned and cutting bait this early is a mistake. But this kid needs ACTUAL LEADERSHIP to learn from... not perpetual failures like Keim and Kliff and Michael. We’re stuck with a Michael but not Keim and Kliff.

Didn’t he play around Fitz for 2 years. Countless posters said we shoulda brought him back last year just for his leadership. Lol.. I think your going out on a mighty thin limb thinking he’s going to miraculously learn leadership and just all of a sudden become tough. Good lord.

 

[DVontel]

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Fire up trade machines. This wont be salvageable. Call up the Vikings, Eagles, etc.

Trades are the one thing Keim is good at. So there's that.

lmao, ain’t no damn way in hell Keim should be in ANOTHER position to make a franchise-changing position

 

[Shane]

Remember maturity is demanded for the 23 year old QB not the forty/fifty something head coach and GM who are partying and nailing skanks half their age 3-4x per week.

The 23 year old is the one that’s gonna be demanding a 150 to 200 million dollar contract. Lots of 23 year old players in the league that have shown a higher level of maturity.

 

[DVontel]

Kyler needs to grow up, but the thought of Keim potentially making another franchise-changing decision makes me physically ill.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The 23 year old is the one that’s gonna be demanding a 150 to 200 million dollar contract. Lots of 23 year old players in the league that have shown a higher level of maturity.

I don’t disagree but leadership starts at the top. Whitewashing what’s above Kyler is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kyler needs to grow up, but the thought of Keim potentially making another franchise-changing decision makes me physically ill.

This.

 

[BritCard]

Mostly it’s just the plebs who eat up Bidwill state media. Reasonably intelligent and honest people admit that while Kyler has his warts, he also is saddled with a below average supporting cast, a drunk buffoonish GM, and a MAC-level head coach.

The coach that just got 2nd most wins ever? That had 2 division Road wins with McCoy?

The below average supporting cast started 7-0 and should have been 8-0.

The drunk buffoon GM has invested heavily to bring in guys like Nuk, Watt etc

I'm no great fan of any of them but this is all Murray being a bitch. The Cards have done nothing but try to build around him since he got here.

 

[kerouac9]

Pathetic ya’ll have let historically inept clowns like Mike Bidwill and Keim lead you down this road where the overall majority sentiment is wanting to sell low on the best young QB prospect in franchise history.

To be fair, it sounds like the Cards have been tip-toeing around coming out and saying this for the past two off seasons. Now they’re coming out and saying it as indirectly as possible.

At the same time, they’re also saying that they expect Kyler to figure it out and take the next step. Nothing is happening this off-season for anyone. 2022 is 2021 frozen in amber only without a bunch of veterans that out player their contracts. Players who underperformed their contracts will remain.

Even I don’t want to trade Kyler. I want him to get better and get the help he needs to take the next step.

But it’s the same thing I say to my 10-year-old club soccer player son who is only modestly athletically talented and doesn’t like drills: I don’t want to want you to get better more than you want to.

Unless this information is coming directly from the mouth of Kyler and / or the Cardinals it is purely speculation. This overreacting is just nonsense.

Kyler denialism in its purest form.

 

[kerouac9]

Remember maturity is demanded for the 23 year old QB not the forty/fifty something head coach and GM who are partying and nailing skanks half their age 3-4x per week.

Mao posts are undefeated on this board

 

[BritCard]

Didn’t he play around Fitz for 2 years. Countless posters said we shoulda brought him back last year just for his leadership. Lol.. I think your going out on a mighty thin limb thinking he’s going to miraculously learn leadership and just all of a sudden become tough. Good lord.

Remember the stories of Kyler not listening to Fitz?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The 23 year old is the one that’s gonna be demanding a 150 to 200 million dollar contract. Lots of 23 year old players in the league that have shown a higher level of maturity.

Remember when leading up to arguably our best win week 1 against TN, Kyler was preparing for his best game of the season while Keim and his crew were blacked out and bar hopping through Nashville. So the arrows against Kyler’s maturity level as a 23 year old vs the middle-aged men above him kind of ring hollow.

 

[Shane]

I don’t disagree but leadership starts at the top. Whitewashing what’s above Kyler is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

Agree but Kyler can’t control the top and neither can we. All he can do is work on himself and clearly he needs to. If Kyler is what we all hoped he’d be Then he should be able to overcome a lot of his issues and make everyone around him better. instead he’s choosing the pouting path. “ believes he was set up as a scapegoat” I’d beyond ludicrous. Take some personal responsibility for your own performance.

 

[Shane]

The coach that just got 2nd most wins ever? That had 2 division Road wins with McCoy?

The below average supporting cast started 7-0 and should have been 8-0.

The drunk buffoon GM has invested heavily to bring in guys like Nuk, Watt etc

I'm no great fan of any of them but this is all Murray being a bitch. The Cards have done nothing but try to build around him since he got here.

Yep

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Yep

I can’t argue with anyone who thinks Keim and Kliff are remotely competent at their jobs. Like arguing geography with someone who thinks the earth is flat.

 

[BritCard]

Remember when leading up to arguably our best win week 1 against TN, Kyler was preparing for his best game of the season while Keim and his crew were blacked out and bar hopping through Nashville. So the arrows against Kyler’s maturity level as a 23 year old vs the middle-aged men above him kind of ring hollow.

This seems like something you made up.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

This seems like something you made up.

Saw it with my own eyes. A few times over that weekend actually.

 

[SoonerLou]

lmao, ain’t no damn way in hell Keim should be in ANOTHER position to make a franchise-changing position

If Kyler made it another year then yea Keim might have been canned. Bidwill is clearly on Keim's side of things. So we have to make the best of it.. Lets not have a pre-allegations Deshaun situation.

 

[Shane]

I can’t argue with anyone who thinks Keim and Kliff are remotely competent at their jobs. Like arguing geography with someone who thinks the earth is flat.

Never said they were… but Kyler in general can only blame himself for much of his misgivings. Making excuses for him is just as hollow as blasting the top of the rung.

 

[BritCard]

Saw it with my own eyes. A few times over that weekend actually.

So you saw them in a bar.

Keim drinking has absolutely nothing to do with Kyler's immaturity and lack of leadership. Completely unrelated things.

 

[BritCard]

Never said they were… but Kyler in general can only blame himself for much of his misgivings. Making excuses for him is just as hollow as blasting the top of the rung.

Some people will say anything to detract from Kyler's short comings.

 

[kerouac9]

I can’t argue with anyone who thinks Keim and Kliff are remotely competent at their jobs. Like arguing with someone who thinks the earth is flat.

“Remotely competent”? I dunno.

Neither are going to consistently keep a team in Super Bowl contention—which should be our expectation as fans. But Keim isn’t Jack Easterby and Kliff isn’t Urban Meyer.

The problem is that you need someone to set the culture of the franchise, and we have Kliff, Keim, and Kyler. None of these guys are winners. None of these guys can drive a culture of winning.

But I don’t trust Michael to pick a new GM or Head Coach who will do so. Maybe we should revise our expectations down to “let’s have a fun-as-heck QB run around and do stuff for 10 weeks a year and see what happens”.

 

[BritCard]

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

Never said they were… but Kyler in general can only blame himself for much of his misgivings. Making excuses for him is just as hollow as blasting the top of the rung.

The thing is replacing guys like Kyler about 50x harder than replacing bums like Kliff and Keim. That’s my point. I’ve acknowledged Kylers shortcoming many, many times.

 

[Cheesebeef]

“Remotely competent”? I dunno.

Neither are going to consistently keep a team in Super Bowl contention—which should be our expectation as fans. But Keim isn’t Jack Easterby and Kliff isn’t Urban Meyer.

The problem is that you need someone to set the culture of the franchise, and we have Kliff, Keim, and Kyler. None of these guys are winners. None of these guys can drive a culture of winning.

This is the true crux of the issue. It’s the blind leading blind. In that case, you have to choose the blind with the highest upside and then Michael (the king of the blind) has to basically throw darts hoping to get a bullseye on accident to lead what’s left.