Let's be honest...

[FrustratedFan04]

Leinart looked bad tonight.

 

[black]

He was ok, not great. Why all the bashing all the time on either QB?

 

[Goober Man]

You would look bad to if you had a D-Line guy in your face every other play to.

Leinart did good for how many times he was pressured.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

A "successful" pre-season to me is this...

#1./ NO key starters/back-ups go out w/season-ending injuries.
#2./ WIN at least (2) games to get a taste of winning.
#3./ Build cohesion & unity thru-out the team & the organization.
#4./ FIND a "diamond in the rough" ...Or maybe (3) or (4).
#5./ Do enough to give the fans reason to be optimstic about the up-coming year.
#6./ Keep the BEST (53) players.
#7./BE READY WEEK #1.

 

[Darth Llama]

Leinart looked bad tonight.

Are you friggin kidding me? He came into the game when our offense was struggling, he struggled as well at first, but I thought he pulled it together nicely. He looked bad if you discount his TD drive to start the 2nd half, but over all he wasn't bad at all. His 2nd drive was cut short on a bad call, Fitz was down with possession of that ball, it should have been a 1st down.

7/11 62 Yards, 1 TD, no Int. That's pretty good in a preseason game. He didn't look bad at all.

 

[Joe L]

Leinart struggled with the first unit on D (Chiefs) but when the second unit came in to play against him, he moved the ball. He was just average.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Are you friggin kidding me? He came into the game when our offense was struggling, he struggled as well at first, but I thought he pulled it together nicely. He looked bad if you discount his TD drive to start the 2nd half, but over all he wasn't bad at all. His 2nd drive was cut short on a bad call, Fitz was down with possession of that ball, it should have been a 1st down.

7/11 62 Yards, 1 TD, no Int. That's pretty good in a preseason game. He didn't look bad at all.

Who's "friggin kidding" who? This guys is supposed to be the future of this franchise, He's in his 3rd year. He hasn't shown many flashes at all and sorta, kinda, maybe looked OK? He "struggled" "looked bad" and over all "wasn't bad". Now there's a vote of confidence if I've ever seen one. This team needs to win, not make a starter out of Leinart. If Warner can win, then he's the guy we need in there. Period.

 

[black]

Who's "friggin kidding" who? This guys is supposed to be the future of this franchise, He's in his 3rd year. He hasn't shown many flashes at all and sorta, kinda, maybe looked OK? He "struggled" "looked bad" and over all "wasn't bad". Now there's a vote of confidence if I've ever seen one. This team needs to win, not make a starter out of Leinart. If Warner can win, then he's the guy we need in there. Period.

Warner didn't look like a superstar either.

 

[Goober Man]

Same ole crap just a different day.

Gotta love the extremists it's etheir all or nothing with them.

 

[ajcardfan]

Let's be honest....

neither Warner or Leinart were spectacularly good or bad.

 

[conraddobler]

They looked ok, and a heck of a lot better than the last time I watched them there, that was the game Josh was put in and they lost like a bagillion to nothing.

I like watching teams play KC, I can get a much better overall idea, to me they need work on stopping the run and other than that they looked pretty solid.

 

[PoolBoy]

i thought leinart looked pretty good. honestly, i think this was better than his effort against NO.

 

[Redsz]

Who's "friggin kidding" who? This guys is supposed to be the future of this franchise, He's in his 3rd year. He hasn't shown many flashes at all and sorta, kinda, maybe looked OK? He "struggled" "looked bad" and over all "wasn't bad". Now there's a vote of confidence if I've ever seen one. This team needs to win, not make a starter out of Leinart. If Warner can win, then he's the guy we need in there. Period.

And the motivation behind this topic is revealed.

Hasn't showed any flashes? Come on dude, he stood in there and made a number of good throws with pressure in his face.

People should be pointing at the line play tonight as something for concern. They haven't been good for two weeks in a row.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Who's "friggin kidding" who? This guys is supposed to be the future of this franchise, He's in his 3rd year. He hasn't shown many flashes at all and sorta, kinda, maybe looked OK? He "struggled" "looked bad" and over all "wasn't bad". Now there's a vote of confidence if I've ever seen one. This team needs to win, not make a starter out of Leinart. If Warner can win, then he's the guy we need in there. Period.

Justify your post. Did Warner look good tonight?

I am tired of the favoritism. I would listen to either side if it was objective. I guess I will have to wait to see the game and base my opinion on that.

This crackin' down on one QB and buffing up another is ridiculous.

I will say it again, let the best QB start.

But don't give me this "we know what we have in Warner" cr@p. Yeah, we know what we have in Warner. I guy that is has had a half of a good year in the last eight. So lets try to put to rest our short term memories and start looking at the whole picture. If I remember Leinart replaced Warner initially because Warner was KILLING our team week after week.

Just be careful what some of you wish for. You just might get Warner and the percentages of recent history would be against you. He come in fumbling and throwing mindless interception, this "know what you have" nonsense goes out the window.

Let the best QB win......period.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Neither QB looked great, but both have already shown that they can produce when the line gives them a little time.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

FYI - I know not everything can be told by QB rating and that BOTH QB's has blunders that won't show up in the box score.

But this is the final numbers for all the Warner Zealots:

(and by the way im REAL excited for the board meltdown to come when Warner inevitablly outplays Leinart in one of these last two preseason games)

Elsewhere in the division, Arizona's Matt Leinart completed 7 of 11 passes for 62 yards, one touchdown and a 108.9 passer rating against the Chiefs. Kurt Warner started for the Cardinals, completing 6 of 9 passes for 54 yards with an 82.6 rating.

 

[cgolden]

#1./ NO key starters/back-ups go out w/season-ending injuries.
#2./ WIN at least (2) games to get a taste of winning.
#3./ Build cohesion & unity thru-out the team & the organization.
#4./ FIND a "diamond in the rough" ...Or maybe (3) or (4).
#5./ Do enough to give the fans reason to be optimstic about the up-coming year.
#6./ Keep the BEST (53) players.
#7./BE READY WEEK #1.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

FYI - I know not everything can be told by QB rating and that BOTH QB's has blunders that won't show up in the box score.

But this is the final numbers for all the Warner Zealots:

(and by the way im REAL excited for the board meltdown to come when Warner inevitablly outplays Leinart in one of these last two preseason games)

Elsewhere in the division, Arizona's Matt Leinart completed 7 of 11 passes for 62 yards, one touchdown and a 108.9 passer rating against the Chiefs. Kurt Warner started for the Cardinals, completing 6 of 9 passes for 54 yards with an 82.6 rating.

I agree.It's pre-season but isn't Leinart's passer rating something like 115 in those 2 games? Man, he's been terrible. You can hear it now, everytime we don't score or Leinart throws an incomplete pass, you'll have some fans clamoring for Warner. Two years ago, it was "get Leinart into the game and let him develop". Now that he's, let's sit him for Warner . Let the guy play. If he plays bad, he'll get pulled. Do you really think Whiz will play him with no regard to winning games? He feels Leinart is the best guy for now and in the future so as soon as people accept it, we can all move on. Warner is a nice insurance policy if Matt fails,which is something we won't know until about mid season. By then,Leinart will be maturing into the QB we all thought he'll be or Warner will be under center and putting up big numbers along with alot of turnovers.

 

[Darth Llama]

The bottom line is very simple. Like it or not, Kurt can't win the starting job, Matt has to lose it.

Last year there seemed to be a large gap in talent between Warner and Leinart. Matt was clearly the worst of the 2 QB's. This year, the gap has closed considerably. We can debate over and over who looked better on Saturday, but it won't matter. Matt played well enough that he's still got the lock on the #1.

People have to make a choice. Support the Cardinals as a team and throw your support to whoever starts, or just admit you're a fan of one guy and stop trying to pass yourself off as a Cardinals fan. There are way too many people around here that are just fans of one guy or the other. Baring some type of incredible meltdown, Leinart will start on opening day in San Francisco. That's how it is, deal with it, get with it, or move on. There really are no other options.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Justify your post. Did Warner look good tonight?

I am tired of the favoritism. I would listen to either side if it was objective. I guess I will have to wait to see the game and base my opinion on that.

This crackin' down on one QB and buffing up another is ridiculous.

I will say it again, let the best QB start.

But don't give me this "we know what we have in Warner" cr@p. Yeah, we know what we have in Warner. I guy that is has had a half of a good year in the last eight. So lets try to put to rest our short term memories and start looking at the whole picture. If I remember Leinart replaced Warner initially because Warner was KILLING our team week after week.

Just be careful what some of you wish for. You just might get Warner and the percentages of recent history would be against you. He come in fumbling and throwing mindless interception, this "know what you have" nonsense goes out the window.

Let the best QB win......period.

Jeezz. Does anyone who knows how to read understand what the word "if" means? How in the world can the posting be interpreted as picking a side or boosting Warner. I said "if he can win". Far too many people on this board want Leinart to be the starter just so he's the starter. I made the point seeing him in that position is not the goal of this team. Winning football games is. Leinart has yet to show the promise that he did in college or that justified his lofty draft position. Looking "OK" is not the goal. Better a veteran with all the baggage he carries, and there's a lot, if it gives us a better chance to make the playoffs. Isn't that what we all want? Having Leinart "win" the job because "it's time" is nuts. I agree with you, and said nothing to the contrarey. Start whoever helps us win, even if they change them every set of downs. After 50 years of following this team, I just want them to suceed for a change.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

FYI - I know not everything can be told by QB rating and that BOTH QB's has blunders that won't show up in the box score.

But this is the final numbers for all the Warner Zealots:

(and by the way im REAL excited for the board meltdown to come when Warner inevitablly outplays Leinart in one of these last two preseason games)

Elsewhere in the division, Arizona's Matt Leinart completed 7 of 11 passes for 62 yards, one touchdown and a 108.9 passer rating against the Chiefs. Kurt Warner started for the Cardinals, completing 6 of 9 passes for 54 yards with an 82.6 rating.

Not going to hear a peep out of me either way.

Let the best QB play.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

At least we're not in the Bears situation where they want Casey Hampton, or whoever he is, to be their starting QB.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Jeezz. Does anyone who knows how to read understand what the word "if" means? How in the world can the posting be interpreted as picking a side or boosting Warner. I said "if he can win". Far too many people on this board want Leinart to be the starter just so he's the starter. I made the point seeing him in that position is not the goal of this team. Winning football games is. Leinart has yet to show the promise that he did in college or that justified his lofty draft position. Looking "OK" is not the goal. Better a veteran with all the baggage he carries, and there's a lot, if it gives us a better chance to make the playoffs. Isn't that what we all want? Having Leinart "win" the job because "it's time" is nuts. I agree with you, and said nothing to the contrarey. Start whoever helps us win, even if they change them every set of downs. After 50 years of following this team, I just want them to suceed for a change.

Sorry, that was after 4 Rum and Coke's. My mind was forcing out words.



Yes, your post makes more sense with coffee.

And I do agree on Leinart. He should not be given the job because
"it's time" ala the Steve Young factor.

Good stuff, and now I got a new sig!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

FYI - I know not everything can be told by QB rating and that BOTH QB's has blunders that won't show up in the box score.

But this is the final numbers for all the Warner Zealots:

(and by the way im REAL excited for the board meltdown to come when Warner inevitablly outplays Leinart in one of these last two preseason games)

Elsewhere in the division, Arizona's Matt Leinart completed 7 of 11 passes for 62 yards, one touchdown and a 108.9 passer rating against the Chiefs. Kurt Warner started for the Cardinals, completing 6 of 9 passes for 54 yards with an 82.6 rating.

Warner is a great back up. Maybe if Leinart stinks it up, we put in Warner for a start or two. But he's not a long term answer. If he started 16 games, he might get us to a wild card birth, but he turns it over too much to get us beyond that.

The goal is to win games, and I preceive that an effective Leinart (as in the guy who lit it up vs KC and CHI his first two games in 2006) will win more games than an effective Warner.

Of course Leinart struggled some last year. There's no question about that. If he plays at that level during 2008, we might have to look for another QB. He has to play better this year, and so far he has.

 

[RedLine]

If QB rating = wins, some of you would have a point. But it never has, never will.

I'm of the opinion that right now, Warner gives us the best chance to win, but I believe Coach will start whoever he thinks gives us the best chance and I'm fine with that. Whiz needs a winning season THIS YEAR, just as much as us long-suffering fans.

What I don't buy into is the argument that we have to find out right now if Leinart is the long term answer, or he will be damaged or out'a here. If he has the mental toughness and desire to be successful in the NFL, he can handle holding the clipboard a few more times while improving his craft. There is no drop dead end point in that.