Let's talk about Andrew Thomas

[BritCard]

I'll go with the "warm corpse" who's seen it all in year one over a snot nose 20-year old.

Why?

 

[GuernseyCard]

You don't redshirt top 10 linemen. Or1st round linemen come to think of it. The last 1st rounder I can find that sat out a year was....DJ Humphries.

Under the new CBA you have to dress 8 on game day. He'll be there as backup.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You realise that All Pro is like the top 3% in the league right? You worded this as if it's All Pro then everyone else is equal.

Tyron Smith wasn't All Pro this year.

What you need is "a unit of 5 who communicate effectively and do their jobs. Who also have talent and don't spend half their careers on IR".

If you just needed any old bunch of 5 on the O line that knew what each other were doing then teams wouldn't be paying tackles $18m a year.

The "do your jobs" part of your very basic explanation requires you to have sufficient talent to stop the best pass rushers. Which, you know, requires drafting good players. Not some guy thats been on 6 teams in 4 years and another thats played 12 games in 3 years.

As you said in an earlier reply, professor, you're overthinking it!

(We know this....!)

 

[BritCard]

Under the new CBA you have to dress 8 on game day. He'll be there as backup.

If we draft a RT top 10 then someone is getting cut and the rookie is starting at RT. No if's, no but's.

If not then they realized in camp they picked wrong.

 

[GuernseyCard]

If we draft a RT top 10 then someone is getting cut and the rookie is starting at RT. No if's, no but's.

If not then they realized in camp they picked wrong.

Ah.. such certainty!

Thanks, coach.

The reason why he possibly sits and learns is that "experience" at this level matters.

 

[Krangodnzr]

IIRC - Thomas corrected it (that was the only time they beat him on that move that game)

If you don't like that aspect...you won't like Wirfs at all (see video below where Penn St exploited that over and over again).

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Watch the difference in how Wills moves and positions his body versus Thomas.

There is unequivocally a huge difference there. Wills just has much better technique.

The NFL is a passing league. Take the better pass blocker.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Thomas is the best left tackle in this class and everyone is overthinking him

No. He played on a great OL with a quick passing game.

He is tackle #4 on most scouts boards for a reason.

 

[Rohinaz]

I am thinking Marcus Gilbert signing was a smokescreen/back-up plan. He can be cut for 150k dead money...that is nothing.

We don't get an OT...he is a great back-up plan to compete with Murray. If we do, Murray is a solid swing tackle that is cost controlled for 2 years.

Even of we draft at OT, we wouldnt cut Gilbert. He is a really good pro. You dont want to have to play a rookie at OT, even if they are a top 8 pick.

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[Krangodnzr]

Even of we draft at OT, we wouldnt cut Gilbert. He is a really good pro. You dont want to have to play a rookie at OT, even if they are a top 8 pick.

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I think they probably cut Gilbert if do draft a OT.

Why keep an old guy over Justin Murray who demonstrated that he can be at least a decent backup?

 

[GuernseyCard]

I think they probably cut Gilbert if do draft a OT.

Why keep an old guy over Justin Murray who demonstrated that he can be at least a decent backup?

Gilbert will play while they toilet train the puppy!

 

[BritCard]

No. He played on a great OL with a quick passing game.

He is tackle #4 on most scouts boards for a reason.

I said best left tackle.

I think Wills is the best tackle in this class. Then Thomas. Wirfs. Becton.

I think Wills and Wirfs can play LT, but if you want one to start right away Thomas is the best LT.

 

[BritCard]

Ah.. such certainty!

Thanks, coach.

The reason why he possibly sits and learns is that "experience" at this level matters.

It's easy to be certain based on history. Nobody drafts a tackle top 10 and sits them a year. Nobody drafts any player top 10 then sits them a year.

You draft a guy top 10, he's starting game 1.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Interesting stats from combine...

First one is Thomas and 2nd is Wirfs.

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But Thomas has slow feet!!!! hahaha

Look, I've been saying it for 60 or so days now......

LT:
Thomas
<<GAP>>
Becton
Jones

RT
Wills
Thomas
Wirfs
<<GAP>>
Becton
Jones

Wills is Perfect for us.

1. Young
2. Okudah
3. Simmons
4. Wills
AT, TW
Insert WR Here

We will get one of these guys at 8.... or as far back as 11. Trading back only makes sense if those first 4 are gone. The other 5 are top of their position, but all are mild luxuries IMO

 

[Finito]

But Thomas has slow feet!!!! hahaha

Look, I've been saying it for 60 or so days now......

LT:
Thomas
<<GAP>>
Becton
Jones

RT
Wills
Thomas
Wirfs
<<GAP>>
Becton
Jones

Wills is Perfect for us.

1. Young
2. Okudah
3. Simmons
4. Wills
AT, TW
Insert WR Here

We will get one of these guys at 8.... or as far back as 11. Trading back only makes sense if those first 4 are gone. The other 5 are top of their position, but all are mild luxuries IMO

sounds right. For the life of me I don’t see how guys can have Becton ahead of Thomas but complain about Thomas and his technique lol.

 

[TheCardFan]

I put Becton ahead of Wirfs.

Becton has elite size and used it in college to dominate people
Wirfs has elite athleticism but didn't use it to dominate people

They both have technique issues that need to be resolved but Wirfs had better coaching.

I have seen Becton play LT and RT.
Wirfs has only played RT and couldn't beat out Alaric Jackson even though they both started playing at the same time (2017) and played for three years together. Usually, you put your best OT on the left side. Except for Wills, who was protecting a left handed QB.

I think Becton's upside is much larger and bust potential is about the same/to slightly smaller. You can't teach size and athleticism.

 

[DVontel]

I put Becton ahead of Wirfs.

Becton has elite size and used it in college to dominate people
Wirfs has elite athleticism but didn't use it to dominate people

They both have technique issues that need to be resolved but Wirfs had better coaching.

I have seen Becton play LT and RT.
Wirfs has only played RT and couldn't beat out Alaric Jackson even though they both started playing at the same time (2017) and played for three years together. Usually, you put your best OT on the left side. Except for Wills, who was protecting a left handed QB.

I think Becton's upside is much larger and bust potential is about the same/to slightly smaller. You can't teach size and athleticism.

Or cause Alaric, unlike Wirfs, can only play 1 side while being a liability at the other.

Wirfs actually filled in at LT a couple games when Alaric got injured. Didn’t miss a beat.

 

[TheCardFan]

So you put your best OT at RT because your LT can't play RT?

Eh...

 

[DVontel]

It’s not hard to understand.

 

[GuernseyCard]

It's easy to be certain based on history. Nobody drafts a tackle top 10 and sits them a year. Nobody drafts any player top 10 then sits them a year.

You draft a guy top 10, he's starting game 1.

CARSON PALMER!

 

[TheCardFan]

Iowa doesn't play their best OT at RT.

Go back and take a look.

Brandon Scherff LT
Riley Reiff LT
Bryan Bulaga LT

The exception to this rule on any team pro or college is negligible.

 

[DVontel]

So I wonder why Alaric wasn’t getting 1st round recognition like Wirfs & went back to school?

 

[TheCardFan]

Spend some time doing your research.

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[DVontel]

“Wants to improve pass-pro especially”


Which was a big reason he wasn’t getting 1st round recognition unlike his pal.


Again, shouldn’t be hard for most, but maybe I overestimated.

 

[TheCardFan]

Maybe you overestimated just like Epenesa at #8

 

[DVontel]

Someone who I was intrigued by 2-3 months ago is still on your mind.


How sad.