Levi Brown Not a Lock to Start

[PDXChris]

Even though Winston is a RT, I am thinking this signing is bad for Levi Brown. My opinion.

Funny how Jurecki was on to something and how many called it BS, but it does all seem to be falling into place.

 

[Mulli]

Funny how Jurecki was on to something and how many called it BS, but it does all seem to be falling into place.

Jurecki is BS in Hungarian so that might be why. Or maybe we are conditioned to the Cards not holding Levi accountable.

 

[kerouac9]

Even though Winston is a RT, I am thinking this signing is bad for Levi Brown. My opinion.

Maybe (if it happens). But it could also be bad news for Daryn College, or Senio Kelemete, or Nate Potter.

Cards only save $800K in cutting Levi Brown this year, but they can get a lot of his salary off the books in 2014. If that were the case, though, the Cards would excuse Levi Brown from camp. You can't cut an injured player.

 

[PDXChris]

Maybe (if it happens). But it could also be bad news for Daryn College, or Senio Kelemete, or Nate Potter.

Cards only save $800K in cutting Levi Brown this year, but they can get a lot of his salary off the books in 2014. If that were the case, though, the Cards would excuse Levi Brown from camp. You can't cut an injured player.

But does cutting him this year clear his cap space for next year? If so, and they fill there is a equal or better fit on the roster to play LT, why not open up more space next season?

Accroding to spotrac.com, cutting his after the season gives up 4,200,000 in dead money next year, but cutting him before the season starts give us 5,600,000 this year and 800K in free space this year and 7,650,000 in free space next year.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/levi-brown/

 

[Mulli]

Maybe (if it happens). But it could also be bad news for Daryn College, or Senio Kelemete, or Nate Potter.

Cards only save $800K in cutting Levi Brown this year, but they can get a lot of his salary off the books in 2014. If that were the case, though, the Cards would excuse Levi Brown from camp. You can't cut an injured player.

All of them are hot garbage!

Rise up Darkside!

 

[kerouac9]

But does cutting him this year clear his cap space for next year? If so, and they fill there is a equal or better fit on the roster to play LT, why not open up more space next season?

Dunno (really).

According to Kent Somers last year (http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/kentsomers/2012/03/29/levi-brown-contract-details/), Levi Brown have $4M of his $4.75M salary guaranteed for injury only. That money isn't guaranteed if he's cut for performance or salary cap reasons.

According to overthecap.com (http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Levi Brown&Position=LT&Team=Cardinals) cutting Levi Brown this year would create $5.6M in dead money, which could be shared in 2013 and 2014 on like a 60-40 split. So let's say $3M in dead money this year, and $2.6M in dead money in 2014.

If the Cards cut Levi in 2014, he'd create $4.2M in dead money in 2014, and provide a cap savings of $3.45M.

I just don't know how anyone is going to be able to gauge Levi's fit and LT competition in the preseason, much less training camp. It's surprising to me how quickly we forget the lesson that Levi Brown might not be the worst offensive tackle in the NFL. Last year, D'Anthony Batiste and Nate Potter were clearly playing at a worse level than Levi.

I said somewhere that this might be bad news for Daryn Colledge, but it turns out that Colledge got a $1M roster bonus sometime this spring, so it's really doubtful that he doesn't make the roster this year.

 

[Mulli]

Real question: is it better for a team to keep a guy due to the roster bonus he just received or to get rid of him if they decide to go another way?

 

[PDXChris]

Dunno (really).

According to Kent Somers last year (http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/kentsomers/2012/03/29/levi-brown-contract-details/), Levi Brown have $4M of his $4.75M salary guaranteed for injury only. That money isn't guaranteed if he's cut for performance or salary cap reasons.

According to overthecap.com (http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Levi Brown&Position=LT&Team=Cardinals) cutting Levi Brown this year would create $5.6M in dead money, which could be shared in 2013 and 2014 on like a 60-40 split. So let's say $3M in dead money this year, and $2.6M in dead money in 2014.

If the Cards cut Levi in 2014, he'd create $4.2M in dead money in 2014, and provide a cap savings of $3.45M.

I just don't know how anyone is going to be able to gauge Levi's fit and LT competition in the preseason, much less training camp. It's surprising to me how quickly we forget the lesson that Levi Brown might not be the worst offensive tackle in the NFL. Last year, D'Anthony Batiste and Nate Potter were clearly playing at a worse level than Levi.

I said somewhere that this might be bad news for Daryn Colledge, but it turns out that Colledge got a $1M roster bonus sometime this spring, so it's really doubtful that he doesn't make the roster this year.

I get what you are saying and I personally would rather keep him through at least this season to see who the best 5 linemen are, but if the team feels he is not in their future and want to cut him, it just makes more sense to get it over with and have much more flexibility next season. JMHO

 

[kerouac9]

Real question: is it better for a team to keep a guy due to the roster bonus he just received or to get rid of him if they decide to go another way?

I don't know. The Jets shipped Drew Stanton to Indy last spring when they traded for Tebow without him playing a snap for the. The Bills paid Tavaris Jackson a roster bonus then cut him before minicamps.

I find it hard to believe that Daryn Colledge isn't one of the three best guards on our roster and one of the seven best linemen, so it'd probably be a talent downgrade either way.

From an owner's perspective, I'd be wondering why we gave $1M of my money to this guy if he wasn't going to be able to beat out Earl Watford and Senio Kelemete.

From a front office's perspective, I'd be worried about the owner's perspective and with my staff's evaluation of this guy in the spring.

 

[PDXChris]

Real question: is it better for a team to keep a guy due to the roster bonus he just received or to get rid of him if they decide to go another way?

I think there is more to it than that. If cutting him is a wash, then keep him around in case of injury. But is cutting him helps the team financial flexibility as well, cut him.

 

[kerouac9]

I get what you are saying and I personally would rather keep him through at least this season to see who the best 5 linemen are, but if the team feels he is not in their future and want to cut him, it just makes more sense to get it over with and have much more flexibility next season. JMHO

I don't know if it makes more sense to downgrade your roster to save $800K a year from now. Especially when there's a possible exodus of players from your roster pending.

If he's not in your plans for the present or future, cut him now. Don't let him come to camp and suffer an injury which guarantees $4M of his salary and doesn't allow for cap relief next year.

 

[PDXChris]

I don't know if it makes more sense to downgrade your roster to save $800K a year from now. Especially when there's a possible exodus of players from your roster pending.

If he's not in your plans for the present or future, cut him now. Don't let him come to camp and suffer an injury which guarantees $4M of his salary and doesn't allow for cap relief next year.

That is what I just said.

but if the team feels he is not in their future and want to cut him, it just makes more sense to get it over with and have much more flexibility next season. JMHO

 

[Buckybird]

I don't know if it makes more sense to downgrade your roster to save $800K a year from now. Especially when there's a possible exodus of players from your roster pending.

If he's not in your plans for the present or future, cut him now. Don't let him come to camp and suffer an injury which guarantees $4M of his salary and doesn't allow for cap relief next year.

Which makes me wonder...why did the Cards sign Chilo Rachal? He's probably the worst Olineman we have & IMO was/is worse than Snyder who was sent walking. Crazy Cards
We need to kick him out on the street ASAP

 

[kerouac9]

Which makes me wonder...why did the Cards sign Chilo Rachal? He's probably the worst Olineman we have & IMO was/is worse than Snyder who was sent walking. Crazy Cards
We need to kick him out on the street ASAP

I think it's because Snyder cost $2M or so, and Rachal costs the veteran minimum with no guarantees.

 

[THESMEL]

yea

I think we are last in rush attempts and yardage under BA too- and it will all be Levi's fault! ridiculous

You've been ignoring the point that during that successful era, Levi was NOT the starting LT for the Cards! I could handle the guy at RT, but not at the most critical position on the Oline. Brown has been more part of the problem than part of the solution to winning IMO.

It's ok though, cause by week 3 everyone will be bitching at him again on this board (just like every year) because of his lackluster play, except for you. I still say he will be wearing another uni in 2014.

 

[Buckybird]

I think we are last in rush attempts and yardage under BA too- and it will all be Levi's fault! ridiculous

Watch how much better this offense is when this team actually has a starting NFL caliber LT not named Levi, Young, Batiste next year along with a QB who can actually keep from hitting the vendors in row 27

 

[Mulli]

Prediction: Levi Brown is not on the team next season.

Bump.

 

[Cardiac]

I'll play. BA said that Levi had his best game yet yesterday.

 

[Mulli]

I'll play. BA said that Levi had his best game yet yesterday.

Ya, he looked elite out there.

 

[Garthshort]

I'll say that Levi has a better chance to play for Arizona, next year, than Daryn Colledge. Of course Levi WON"T BE THE LT, but could be the RT. I see him in competition with Winston and Massie and possibly a FA. If Cooper comes back and is able to play LG, I see the RG as Faniaka or Watford, with Potter in the mix. DC is probably too expensive. The LT will be the #1 draft pick. JMUO.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I'll say that Levi has a better chance to play for Arizona, next year, than Daryn Colledge. Of course Levi WON"T BE THE LT, but could be the RT. I see him in competition with Winston and Massie and possibly a FA. If Cooper comes back and is able to play LG, I see the RG as Faniaka or Watford, with Potter in the mix. DC is probably too expensive. The LT will be the #1 draft pick. JMUO.

Well, there are QBs Bridgewater, Boyd, Murray, Metenberger, which we will have to think about.

We are not going to pay our RT $6M per year. Either Levi does an amazing about face this year (not too likely) or he is gone. We'll see about Colledge. Fanaika is nothing great, so it will depend on Watford.

Another LT option is dropping some coin on Brandon Albert or Ryan Clady?

 

[Duckjake]

Dang. Levi Brown is so bad that the Cards RB immediately looks to help on his side and ignores the unblocked rusher coming around Winston. And that is why Palmer got sacked on the first play of the game. Winston screws up and blocks outside but it wouldn't have made any difference because Mendenhall was already looking to help Levi.

Hey Arians! You hired all these offensive line gurus. Why does our offensive line still suck?

 

[WildBB]

Bump.

I'll raise you two bumps.

 

[WildBB]

Well, there are QBs Bridgewater, Boyd, Murray, Metenberger, which we will have to think about.

We are not going to pay our RT $6M per year. Either Levi does an amazing about face this year (not too likely) or he is gone. We'll see about Colledge. Fanaika is nothing great, so it will depend on Watford.

Another LT option is dropping some coin on Brandon Albert or Ryan Clady?

Jury still out. He's been decent.

 

[ajcardfan]

I'll play. BA said that Levi had his best game yet yesterday.

Who cares? That is like saying one turd smells better than two. If Brown is on the roster next year, Keim and Arians were huge mistakes. And, yes, I am saying I'm smarter than both if that happens.