Lienart the reason

[D-Dogg]

If Matt had continued to play the games after he was hurt at the level he was playing during those 3 wins and 2 losses. We would in all likely hood still be sitting here at 3-5. Still with only 3 wins in spite of him.

No, we would have beat Carolina. I have NO doubts about that.

 

[FightOnCards]

Matt L-E-I-N-A-R-T
(Lie-nart)
N.
Def- A quarterback from USC drafted by the Cardinals.
Sentence- nobody knows how to spell Matt Leinart's name.

That's because we miss him so much we can't remember how to spell his name.

 

[Shane]

No, we would have beat Carolina. I have NO doubts about that.

I do.

 

[cardsfanmd]

No, we would have beat Carolina. I have NO doubts about that.

 

[Mulli]

I do.

I do too. :visionsofstevesmithrunningfree:

 

[D-Dogg]

I do.

I do too. :visionsofstevesmithrunningfree:

Hmm, we had a QB that was coaching valley H.S. football two days earlier running the offense, and the primary reason we didn't win the game is we couldn't put points on the board or move the chains, thus keeping our defense on the field to the point where they gave up big plays...then proceeded to turn it over 3 times in 6 minutes.

Oh, and we were winning with 6 minutes to go.



Yeah, either Kurt or Matt play the whole game there and we win. I have ZERO doubts. It's embarassing that we lost as we did.

 

[Mulli]

Hmm, we had a QB that was coaching valley H.S. football two days earlier running the offense, and the primary reason we didn't win the game is we couldn't put points on the board or move the chains, thus keeping our defense on the field to the point where they gave up big plays...then proceeded to turn it over 3 times in 6 minutes.

Oh, and we were winning with 6 minutes to go.



Yeah, either Kurt or Matt play the whole game there and we win. I have ZERO doubts. It's embarassing that we lost as we did.

Sounds like the SF loss. Who was the QB?

 

[Shane]

Hmm, we had a QB that was coaching valley H.S. football two days earlier running the offense, and the primary reason we didn't win the game is we couldn't put points on the board or move the chains, thus keeping our defense on the field to the point where they gave up big plays...then proceeded to turn it over 3 times in 6 minutes.

Oh, and we were winning with 6 minutes to go.



Yeah, either Kurt or Matt play the whole game there and we win. I have ZERO doubts. It's embarassing that we lost as we did.

That QB was playing at about the same level Matt was when he was playing too. Matt would have been vicitmized by the same dropped passes and tipped balls for Int's that Rattay was. The defense still would have given up that play to S. Smith and in the end same result. That I HAVE NO DOUBT!

 

[D-Dogg]

That QB was playing at about the same level Matt was when he was playing too. Matt would have been vicitmized by the same dropped passes and tipped balls for Int's that Rattay was. The defense still would have given up that play to S. Smith and in the end same result. That I HAVE NO DOUBT!

Uhm, no. We ran maybe 3 different passing plays. We weren't running the offense.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

That QB was playing at about the same level Matt was when he was playing too. Matt would have been vicitmized by the same dropped passes and tipped balls for Int's that Rattay was. The defense still would have given up that play to S. Smith and in the end same result. That I HAVE NO DOUBT!

Umm the play calling might have been just a little different with Leinart instead of Rattay.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sounds like the SF loss. Who was the QB?

alex smith.

 

[Mulli]

alex smith.

Ah yes. Him winning that game was all Leinart's fault. Forgot.

 

[Shane]

Uhm, no. We ran maybe 3 different passing plays. We weren't running the offense.

So. He was executing the O he was running just fine. He was vcitimized by key drops from Urban and Fitz two of which went right out of their arms and into the arms of defenders during critical points of the game in Carolina's side of the field.

%'s say that a healthy Matt running a full offense would have played at a clip just good enough for a 60 QB rating and would have been victimized by the same things. Which = loss.

 

[D-Dogg]

Ah yes. Him winning that game was all Leinart's fault. Forgot.

I don't know if you are being facetious here, but he basically dryhumped our defense down the field for the winning drive. Converting 4th and what, 2, with a 30 some yard "scamper" then tossing the winning TD.

I don't recall Matt tossing 3 INTs in 6 minutes or getting beat by double digits.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Sounds like the SF loss. Who was the QB?

Weak Mulli. You were at the game yesterday too. Warner is obviously garbage.

We should have won that SF game. Leinart or no Leinart. That is one of the best secondaries (i dont think many teams have thrown well on them) and the first game of the season on the road.

I am not making excuses but it is what it is. IMO we would have lost that game 28-17 with warner at QB. Thats my point. With Matt we had a chance had the defense held on that last drive. We scored when we needed too and the prevent just ate us up.

I bet every Cardinal including Matt wishes they had that game back right now.

 

[Mulli]

I don't know if you are being facetious here, but he basically dryhumped our defense down the field for the winning drive. Converting 4th and what, 2, with a 30 some yard "scamper" then tossing the winning TD.

I don't recall Matt tossing 3 INTs in 6 minutes or getting beat by double digits.

I just think this defense lets the Panthers win the game like they did the Niners. No matter the QB.

 

[Mulli]

Weak Mulli. You were at the game yesterday too. Warner is obviously garbage.

We should have won that SF game. Leinart or no Leinart. That is one of the best secondaries (i dont think many teams have thrown well on them) and the first game of the season on the road.

I am not making excuses but it is what it is. IMO we would have lost that game 28-17 with warner at QB. Thats my point. With Matt we had a chance had the defense held on that last drive. We scored when we needed too and the prevent just ate us up.

I bet every Cardinal including Matt wishes they had that game back right now.

I forgot what we were arguing about. Warner was garbage yesterday.

 

[D-Dogg]

So. He was executing the O he was running just fine. He was vcitimized by key drops from Urban and Fitz two of which went right out of their arms and into the arms of defenders during critical points of the game in Carolina's side of the field.

That, officer, is the point. Matt had a firmer grasp on the playbook (yes he did, so stop typing whatever it is you are thinking of typing right now) and the options would have been much better to score. Not only on the dropped ones, but the whole damn game when we ran vanilla in the first half afraid to make a mistake.

The drops only came when Whis opened it up a bit for Rattay. The game would have been opened the whole time for Matt. Book it.

I think you have lost your flipping mind every time you try to put Rattay and Matt in the same talent level. Rattay is very good at what he is. A third string backup.

 

[Mulli]

I didn't even see the Carolina game. What do I know?

 

[D-Dogg]

I just think this defense lets the Panthers win the game like they did the Niners. No matter the QB.

I dunno...they only allowed 17 points to a team that had the ball for 45 minutes of a 60 minute game. Our offense overall has not played well this season, regardless of who is running it. If I had to say which side of the ball is deeper in my doghouse, it would be the O, no doubt.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I forgot what we were arguing about. Warner was garbage yesterday.

Warner is garbage EVERY game.

I defy anyone to find me a stat line of Kurt Warners as a Cardinal where he didn't turn over the ball. When was the last time he had a FULL game that you remember thinking "Thats the kurt warner of old".

The guy is a freaking mirage and after attending yesterdays game I have come to the conclusion that any hope that rests in the gloved hands of Kurt Warner - is no hope at all.

Someone please get me his record a starter. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Mulli]

I dunno...they only allowed 17 points to a team that had the ball for 45 minutes of a 60 minute game. Our offense overall has not played well this season, regardless of who is running it. If I had to say which side of the ball is deeper in my doghouse, it would be the O, no doubt.

Meh, sure the O was worse, but that isn't saying much. The D let them do what they wanted. Tampa is more than happy to score 17 but dink and dunk.

 

[Mulli]

I, Mulli, from now until the end of the year, will no longer say anything negative about that Cardinals.

I had to do this last year, and it is time to do it again this year. It is just to painful to be objective. I will now go totally koolaider.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Meh, sure the O was worse, but that isn't saying much. The D let them do what they wanted. Tampa is more than happy to score 17 but dink and dunk.

My take is that the D was just taxed after that first half. After the initial TD they had 3 - 4 very stong defensive series.....and then........

I long for the day when I look at a win and think "everybody came to play - the D picked up the O, the O picked up the D, and ST's was astounding"

I don't know about you guys but the Lions and Browns doing what they are doing is freaking EATING me up inside.

 

[Shane]

That, officer, is the point. Matt had a firmer grasp on the playbook (yes he did, so stop typing whatever it is you are thinking of typing right now) and the options would have been much better to score. Not only on the dropped ones, but the whole damn game when we ran vanilla in the first half afraid to make a mistake.

The drops only came when Whis opened it up a bit for Rattay. The game would have been opened the whole time for Matt. Book it.

I think you have lost your flipping mind every time you try to put Rattay and Matt in the same talent level. Rattay is very good at what he is. A third string backup.

Show me one sentence where I ever put him at the same talent level? Please look that up and find it and I will pay you 20.00 cash this weekend at the game.

I say what is a fact. He managed that Carolina game with the gameplan he was given no worse then the game management Leinart had done to date for the season. He was victimized by bad drops and tipped balls. You saying that those drops happened because they opened up the playbook for Rattay is laughable. The Playbook doesnt make a WR drop a ball Donald.

Would Leinart have had a bigger playbook? Of course. Does that guarantee more success? NO! Especially considering that we have been outright told that the playbook has been limited all year for Matt as well because he can't even grasp the whole damn thing. The guy struggled mightily all 5 games he played in and likely would have struggled just as badly against Carolina. He showed nothing all year to believe otherwise.

Doesnt mean I like Rattay more or think he has more talent. Never said that and never would. Leinart is the future. How much of a future that is remains to be seen. Especially if he cant stay healthy.