Lindley now named the SF starter lol BA is in bad shape

[thirty-two]

It's pretty obvious that Stanton isn't going to be ready for the playoffs. There's no way BA starts Thomas in game one, so they're getting more reps for Lindley.

That's how I look at it, anyway.

God when I read this earlier I was like NOO! But now with the new reports about Stanton and surgery, you definitely called it.

Crap

 

[Stout]

Thomas is not ready for NFL regular season snaps period! Ryan Lindley gives the best hope of being competitive in SF on Sunday, slim as that hope is. With Thomas there is absolutely NO hope. I mean if you look lousy in practice you aren't going to look good in the game. With Thomas you are getting a less ready version of Johnny Football.

Some players look like garbage in practice and play well on Sundays. Pretty rare, especially in a rookie, but it can happen. This slim chance is a HELL of a lot higher than a player that looks great in practice then CRAPS HIS PANTS during the game. Lindley doesn't have the talent to be a backup in the frickin' CFL, let alone a 3rd-string QB in the NFL. We have zero chance to win unless our defense scores touchdowns moving forward. NONE AT ALL. What does it hurt to go with the rook instead? NOTHING.

 

[phillycard]

What do people really expect out of Lindley or Thomas? If anything, this move back to Lindley tells me Arians just isn't looking to get the playoffs started, and be damned what seed we are. He still wants to win in the case StL can beat Seattle or if Detroit can beat GB too.


I really don't get this whole attitude with fans around here. We are down to 4th string QB. 3rd string RB. Half the defense is injured. No matter what happens (and I haven't given up on winning it all), I will be proud and amazed as to the coaching job Arians did. And the way Kiem handled getting players in here this year. The sad fact is, its just out of our hands as to the injuries we got this year..

Gee=Voice of Reason

 

[phillycard]

Just how much better do you think anyone else would be than Lindley?

Don't get me wrong. Lindley is terrible. But terrible is what we're stuck with whether it's Lindley or somebody else.

Hollywood. Lindley is God awful. I mean he truly has to be one of the 3 worst qb's I have ever seen in the NFL. I don't doubt for a second that Kurt Warner could come off the NFL network set right now, and do better than him. Hell, Trent Dilfer could do better. Lindley lacks the fundamentals to play the position. It's disheartening watching him play, and we have seen tons of bad qb play as Cards fans. I have 0 faith in him, I just do. I would rather hitch my wagon to Logan right now and flame out. At least I wouldn't need to lie to myself that there exists a chance we could somehow go on this magic run with 14 at the helm.

 

[imaCafan]

Bring back Kurt, use 7 O-line guys to block, and Fitz, Floyd and Smokie or sub KWilliams for Smokie on running downs sometimes.

 

[TJ]

What do people really expect out of Lindley or Thomas? If anything, this move back to Lindley tells me Arians just isn't looking to get the playoffs started, and be damned what seed we are. He still wants to win in the case StL can beat Seattle or if Detroit can beat GB too.





I really don't get this whole attitude with fans around here. We are down to 4th string QB. 3rd string RB. Half the defense is injured. No matter what happens (and I haven't given up on winning it all), I will be proud and amazed as to the coaching job Arians did. And the way Kiem handled getting players in here this year. The sad fact is, its just out of our hands as to the injuries we got this year..

^^^Perspective

 

[schutd]

Anyone? There were a lot of suggestions after Palmer went down. I doubt any of them were worse than Lindley.

Let's not pretend like there weren't dudes better than Lindley out there, the minute Palmer got hurt.

There were dudes better at playing QB than lindley, all else being equal, sure. But there were none who had a year in the system and at least a cursory understanding of the offense. It talk Palmer a season and a half to start playing within the system well. SOme guy off the street is going to be better than lindley? Naw, its a wash. We were hosed the whole time.

 

[PJ1]

Hollywood. Lindley is God awful. I mean he truly has to be one of the 3 worst qb's I have ever seen in the NFL. I don't doubt for a second that Kurt Warner could come off the NFL network set right now, and do better than him. Hell, Trent Dilfer could do better. Lindley lacks the fundamentals to play the position. It's disheartening watching him play, and we have seen tons of bad qb play as Cards fans. I have 0 faith in him, I just do. I would rather hitch my wagon to Logan right now and flame out. At least I wouldn't need to lie to myself that there exists a chance we could somehow go on this magic run with 14 at the helm.

Agreed. It is impossible for me to look forward to the game Sunday with this stooge at QB. The guy just can't play.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I have no doubt that any of us here on this board could luck into at least 1 TD in 225 attempts.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

There were dudes better at playing QB than lindley, all else being equal, sure. But there were none who had a year in the system and at least a cursory understanding of the offense. It talk Palmer a season and a half to start playing within the system well. SOme guy off the street is going to be better than lindley? Naw, its a wash. We were hosed the whole time.

The system means jack if he can't implement it after two years...it has zero to do with the system... Just get some one who can make basic freaking throws.

 

[john h]

The big mistake they made was not signing an experienced backup when Palmer went down. There's got to be at least one available guy on planet earth that is better than Lindley. My guess is there are at least a dozen.

Totally agree with you. We should have signed an experienced QB when Palmer went down. The guys we have other than Stanton do not belong in the NFL. Stanton to me is a #3. Next season we need a heavy duty RB who can get you the 3 yds in a cloud of dust and stay healthy. Our primary RB is very good but not an every down player as he is to small and cannot survive the punding. Palmer is probably good for two more seasons an we better have someone lined up who is a legit to take over. This season I would draft a QB or big RB if one is available that would fit the bill. Big mistake not signing a QB when Palmer went down. I doiubt we win our first found opponent mostly because of the lack of a QB. Our only hope will be for our very good defense to step up and allow 7-14 poinra.

 

[Darkside]

Totally agree with you. We should have signed an experienced QB when Palmer went down. The guys we have other than Stanton do not belong in the NFL. Stanton to me is a #3. Next season we need a heavy duty RB who can get you the 3 yds in a cloud of dust and stay healthy. Our primary RB is very good but not an every down player as he is to small and cannot survive the punding. Palmer is probably good for two more seasons an we better have someone lined up who is a legit to take over. This season I would draft a QB or big RB if one is available that would fit the bill. Big mistake not signing a QB when Palmer went down. I doiubt we win our first found opponent mostly because of the lack of a QB. Our only hope will be for our very good defense to step up and allow 7-14 poinra.

How on earth is Stanton a #3? He went 5-3 in starter duty while being scouted by other teams. He further came in cold and won other games, while not starting. 5-3 is frankly better than some starters this year. Please explain your criteria for a backup and for that matter a 3rd string QB. If he was our 3rd string now I'd be pretty okay to be honest. He'd be replacing Lindley.

 

[kerouac9]

It's difficult to conceive if a scenario based on any of the available data where Lindley gives you a non-zero chance to win. Anyone who says that Arians is choosing Lindley because he wants to win on Sunday is deeply disturbed.

I think that Arians is turning to Lindley because he can't run Logan Thomas out there and maintain credibility with his veteran players--particularly receivers--who are expected to contribute no matter who is under center.

Lindley at 18 of 44 is still better than Logan Thomas's current 1 for 10 completion rate.

 

[Darkside]

It's difficult to conceive if a scenario based on any of the available data where Lindley gives you a non-zero chance to win. Anyone who says that Arians is choosing Lindley because he wants to win on Sunday is deeply disturbed.

I think that Arians is turning to Lindley because he can't run Logan Thomas out there and maintain credibility with his veteran players--particularly receivers--who are expected to contribute no matter who is under center.

Lindley at 18 of 44 is still better than Logan Thomas's current 1 for 10 completion rate.

What would you do coach K9?

Don't you roll with a guy who at least knows the verbiage of what you're talking about, or do you roll with some rook who has no clue? Or do you roll with a scrub somewhere?

His options are totally limited.

Please tell us your solution.

 

[kerouac9]

What would you do coach K9?

Don't you roll with a guy who at least knows the verbiage of what you're talking about, or do you roll with some rook who has no clue? Or do you roll with a scrub somewhere?

His options are totally limited.

Please tell us your solution.

What evidence is there that Logan Thomas is "a rook who has no clue?" If that's the case, what is he still doing on an nfl roster?

If it were me when Palmer first went down for the year, I would have reached out to Charlie Batch or Byron Leftwich of Rex Grossman or someone who wasn't brutally awful. I would have put them on the active roster and dealt with the consequences.

When Stanton went down and I hadn't made that earlier decision, I would have reached out to Kerry Collins or Jon Kitna or David Garrard or whomever.

I refuse to accept that Ryan Lindley has remained the best option for the last two months. If the season is four months old and Logan Thomas has been a #2 for one of those months and I still don't trust him, I gamble putting him on the practice squad.

I don't blame Arians, BTW. It's Keim's job to find legit NFL players on the waiver wire. He's shown me with Okafor that maybe he can be trusted with pass rushers after all. But going back to Lindley after seeing for two-plus years what a zero he was makes no sense.

 

[Darkside]

What evidence is there that Logan Thomas is "a rook who has no clue?" If that's the case, what is he still doing on an nfl roster?

If it were me when Palmer first went down for the year, I would have reached out to Charlie Batch or Byron Leftwich of Rex Grossman or someone who wasn't brutally awful. I would have put them on the active roster and dealt with the consequences.

When Stanton went down and I hadn't made that earlier decision, I would have reached out to Kerry Collins or Jon Kitna or David Garrard or whomever.

I refuse to accept that Ryan Lindley has remained the best option for the last two months. If the season is four months old and Logan Thomas has been a #2 for one of those months and I still don't trust him, I gamble putting him on the practice squad.

I don't blame Arians, BTW. It's Keim's job to find legit NFL players on the waiver wire. He's shown me with Okafor that maybe he can be trusted with pass rushers after all. But going back to Lindley after seeing for two-plus years what a zero he was makes no sense.

I actually agree with this. But you have to do all this as soon as Carson goes down. Lot of people were asking for it. I just don't think they expected Stanton to go down. Was a mistake probably.

Appreciate your response. I don't think Charlie Batch or a dude like that would make a difference however. I don't think a dude like a Garrard would either. At that point you're probably screwed.

This move had to be made as soon as Palmer went down. IMO. Just wasn't done.

I don't know if it would have made a difference, we're screwed without a viable QB in the playoffs.

Thanks for the response, it's honest, and I like that.

 

[kerouac9]

I actually agree with this. But you have to do all this as soon as Carson goes down. Lot of people were asking for it. I just don't think they expected Stanton to go down. Was a mistake probably.

Appreciate your response. I don't think Charlie Batch or a dude like that would make a difference however. I don't think a dude like a Garrard would either. At that point you're probably screwed.

This move had to be made as soon as Palmer went down. IMO. Just wasn't done.

I don't know if it would have made a difference, we're screwed without a viable QB in the playoffs.

Thanks for the response, it's honest, and I like that.

I'm also not sure that Ryan Lindley was the best practice squad QB available when we picked him up, or when Palmer went down for the year. Maybe I'll do some research this week about who else was out there--I'm not sure what the resources on PS quarterbacks are, but I'll try.

It's worth reminding ourselves that the Texans won a game and scored points with a quarterback who wasn't on their roster THE WEEK BEFORE THE GAME. The Rams won multiple games with their #3 quarterback. The Titans were more competitive with their rookie 5th round pick than we have been.

Arguments that start with "no one ever can succeed with their 3rd quarterback" should be challenged.

 

[Darkside]

I'm also not sure that Ryan Lindley was the best practice squad QB available when we picked him up, or when Palmer went down for the year. Maybe I'll do some research this week about who else was out there--I'm not sure what the resources on PS quarterbacks are, but I'll try.

It's worth reminding ourselves that the Texans won a game and scored points with a quarterback who wasn't on their roster THE WEEK BEFORE THE GAME. The Rams won multiple games with their #3 quarterback. The Titans were more competitive with their rookie 5th round pick than we have been.

Arguments that start with "no one ever can succeed with their 3rd quarterback" should be challenged.

I'm not saying they can't succeed but if you want to win more than one playoff game you have to go with a guy who at least knows the playbook yes?

My feeling is you can maybe win 1 game with gimmicks and BS, but if you want to go far you have to have a player who knows the playbook to get you there right?

I'm not into winning one game. I'd rather roll with someone who sucks that knows our deep game plan. Why bother if it's just to win a single game? At this point, go for it all or lose. Go for everything.

(and please, with your 3rd string qb's arguments. When have you ever heard a 3rd sting qb doing well?)

 

[BullheadCardFan]

If it were me when Palmer first went down for the year, I would have reached out to Charlie Batch or Byron Leftwich of Rex Grossman or someone who wasn't brutally awful. I would have put them on the active roster and dealt with the consequences.

I refuse to accept that Ryan Lindley has remained the best option for the last two months.

This

 

[Darkside]

Please. You think any of those QB's could do well. They haven't even played professional football in years. That's a joke. Seriously.

I'm an amateur and when I work out and stop for a few months it's noticeable. You think professional athletes are any different. These dudes haven't played pro ball in years.

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not saying they can't succeed but if you want to win more than one playoff game you have to go with a guy who at least knows the playbook yes?

My feeling is you can maybe win 1 game with gimmicks and BS, but if you want to go far you have to have a player who knows the playbook to get you there right?

I'm not into winning one game. I'd rather roll with someone who sucks that knows our deep game plan. Why bother if it's just to win a single game? At this point, go for it all or lose. Go for everything.

(and please, with your 3rd string qb's arguments. When have you ever heard a 3rd sting qb doing well?)

Case Keenum did better than Lindley on a week of practice. The Rams #3 was clearly superior for half a season to Lindley. Zach Mettenberger was way superior to Lindley. Have I heard of a #3 QB being an immediate Pro Bowler? That's silly. But competence isn't too much to expect.

Where's your evidence that Logan Thomas doesn't know the playbook?

I saw zlindley throw into triple coverage enough against Seattle to dispute that he "knows the deep game plan." Where's your evidence in support?