Lonzo Ball

[Mainstreet]

I think we should try to help the Lakers get Ball, if it works out that we have the opportunity. Even if their pick conveys we might be able to do it - the price goes up of course. If Ball is available we pick him and trade him, along with Brandon Knight, to LA for Zubac and Larry Nance, Jr - or Zubac and Ingram. If they keep the pick, we trade Ball to them for their pick plus Zubac, like I mentioned before.

I thinking along these lines as well. I'd like for the Suns to get the #1 pick for maximum leverage.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think we should try to help the Lakers get Ball, if it works out that we have the opportunity. Even if their pick conveys we might be able to do it - the price goes up of course. If Ball is available we pick him and trade him, along with Brandon Knight, to LA for Zubac and Larry Nance, Jr - or Zubac and Ingram. If they keep the pick, we trade Ball to them for their pick plus Zubac, like I mentioned before.

Yuck!

 

[Phrazbit]

I think we should try to help the Lakers get Ball, if it works out that we have the opportunity. Even if their pick conveys we might be able to do it - the price goes up of course. If Ball is available we pick him and trade him, along with Brandon Knight, to LA for Zubac and Larry Nance, Jr - or Zubac and Ingram. If they keep the pick, we trade Ball to them for their pick plus Zubac, like I mentioned before.

I like the idea of trading down with them, not sure I like the idea of trading out though unless it gets us a shot in next year's lottery.

Yeah... I'd trade back a spot or two... maaaaybe, but I sure as hell am not trading entirely out of the top 5. IMO Zubac and Nance are role players, Ingram looked hoooooooooorrible up until the last few weeks of the season, I know he is only 19 but he was a disaster. Real plus minus rated him as the worst player in the entire league.

 

[pokerface]

I'm so torn. I want their pick to convey to Philly, the last thing I want is for them to grab a star. But I also want them to select Ball and for two reasons. One, if they take him, we can't. And two, if he does destroy a team I can think of no other club I'd like to see that happen to.

Ball is going to destroy a team? Wow... I didn't see that in the scouting reports.

 

[Bodha]

1st things 1st, I dont like Balls game. Thats why I dont want him.


But secondly, RE the Lavar issue, my concern is regarding Lonzos ability to say NO to his dad. I dont ever want to encounter an Eli/Archie Manning situation, where Archie (Lavar) is making demands of the team or threatening to sit out during contract talks.


Not only can I see it happening, but I guarantee itll happen in Lonzos career. Lavar Ball on ESPN "My son will not play for less than max. Now they can either pay up or we're out!"

no thx

 

[elindholm]

Ingram looked hoooooooooorrible up until the last few weeks of the season, I know he is only 19 but he was a disaster. Real plus minus rated him as the worst player in the entire league.

So you wouldn't trade Bender for Ingram straight up?

 

[JCSunsfan]

So you wouldn't trade Bender for Ingram straight up?

There are so many unknowns about both players, it would be hard to even evaluate.

 

[sunsfan88]

The majority of teams still prefer Markelle Fultz over Lonzo Ball for the No. 1 pick and Ball may end up dropping further than No. 2.

De'Aaron Fox has pulled ahead of Ball for some teams and that perception appears to be widening. Fox improved his draft stock in March and could go as high as No. 2 or No. 3.

Fox outplayed Ball in their March Madness meeting.

While Fox has an inconsistent perimeter shot, his defense and playmaking has attracted admirers.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider...ft-combine-chad-ford-prospects-rising-falling

 

[Mainstreet]

@sunsfan88

There goes my trade down scenario for Fox. If the Suns land #2 and want a PG, they better take him there.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So you wouldn't trade Bender for Ingram straight up?

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[pokerface]

@sunsfan88

There goes my trade down scenario for Fox. If the Suns land #2 and want a PG, they better take him there.

If we don't get #1 and take Fultz then almost any other scenario I want the suns to go for Jackson.


I'd still take Jackson over Fox... that seems like a no brainer.

 

[Mainstreet]

If we don't get #1 and take Fultz then almost any other scenario I want the suns to go for Jackson.


I'd still take Jackson over Fox... that seems like a no brainer.

I think it's more a matter of which direction the Suns want to go, PG or SF.

I think both players, Jackson and Fox, qualify as BPA after the first pick (which will likely be Fultz). Of course there is Lonzo Ball who fits this label as well.

 

[Sunburn]

It's crazy how the rankings change so much after games have ended. I mean, these guys haven't played a minute since March, and their rankings seemed to have shuffled so much. I'm wary of late risers and fallers. What has changed other than talk?

 

[pokerface]

It's crazy how the rankings change so much after games have ended. I mean, these guys haven't played a minute since March, and their rankings seemed to have shuffled so much. I'm wary of late risers and fallers. What has changed other than talk?

I think the combine and more accurate measurements of Fox have helped him. His wingspan is longer than people thought...but his weight is less.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's crazy how the rankings change so much after games have ended. I mean, these guys haven't played a minute since March, and their rankings seemed to have shuffled so much. I'm wary of late risers and fallers. What has changed other than talk?

You have to remember that during the season there are a ton of games all week every week. And while there's a lot of analysis of those games the timing doesn't allow for a great deal of deep dive scrutiny. After the season there's a few months during which the pros can rewatch all the tape on the players in detail. I'm sure it allows scouts a better opportunity to look at each player as an entirety of their work which illuminates habits, skills, streakiness, etc.

 

[Russ Smith]

It's crazy how the rankings change so much after games have ended. I mean, these guys haven't played a minute since March, and their rankings seemed to have shuffled so much. I'm wary of late risers and fallers. What has changed other than talk?

In the case of Fox, the nBA teams found out that Kentucky measured his wingspan incorrectly and it's actually 2 inches longer than they realized. 2 inches might seem trivial but for a guy whose length was considered an asset on offense and defense, it was significant to them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

New article on espn about lonzo and lavar. Subtitle misleadingly mentions the drive to ensure lonzo is a laker. Overall the article is terrible imo. It provides no further insights. It's basically a summary of everything we already know. But I'm sure some of you are going cry about lonzo wanting to play for the lakers. Let me quell those tears, there's no new comments or insight into that aspect of lonzo' career. Dumb article.

 

[Russ Smith]

New article on espn about lonzo and lavar. Subtitle misleadingly mentions the drive to ensure lonzo is a laker. Overall the article is terrible imo. It provides no further insights. It's basically a summary of everything we already know. But I'm sure some of you are going cry about lonzo wanting to play for the lakers. Let me quell those tears, there's no new comments or insight into that aspect of lonzo' career. Dumb article.

If you mean the Shelburne one, the one new thing in there for me was that they completely denied the claim that Lavar wouldn't let the sons see the mom in the hospital. They said Lonzo was texted by a family member at practice at UCLA about her stroke, Lavar was waiting until after practice to tell him himself so he was furious at the family member. And that Lavar took the boys to see the mom in the hospital after training. The article implied regularly. I assume the family member who texted it is the one who made the thing public stating he wasn't letting his sons see the mom.

No idea what's true obviously this is Lavars' version of it but it's the first time I've seen that addressed.

I know the text part is true that has been discussed on UCLA boards for awhile now but nobody knew about the part about the kids visiting her or not.

The Lakers stuff was what he said before Lavar is going to keep saying it until it comes to happen.

The rumor for awhile now has been if the Lakers draft him he'll buy a house in LA and move the whole family there and Melo will go to Fairfax HS. If you read the article that seems less likely, Lonzo says he prefers Chino to LA because it's quieter, he doesn't like the noise in LA.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If you mean the Shelburne one, the one new thing in there for me was that they completely denied the claim that Lavar wouldn't let the sons see the mom in the hospital. They said Lonzo was texted by a family member at practice at UCLA about her stroke, Lavar was waiting until after practice to tell him himself so he was furious at the family member. And that Lavar took the boys to see the mom in the hospital after training. The article implied regularly. I assume the family member who texted it is the one who made the thing public stating he wasn't letting his sons see the mom.

No idea what's true obviously this is Lavars' version of it but it's the first time I've seen that addressed.

I know the text part is true that has been discussed on UCLA boards for awhile now but nobody knew about the part about the kids visiting her or not.

The Lakers stuff was what he said before Lavar is going to keep saying it until it comes to happen.

The rumor for awhile now has been if the Lakers draft him he'll buy a house in LA and move the whole family there and Melo will go to Fairfax HS. If you read the article that seems less likely, Lonzo says he prefers Chino to LA because it's quieter, he doesn't like the noise in LA.

This is just getting too much into one family's business. Not criticizing you per se. Just the idea that this conversation is even in public. How families handle emergency tragedy is just off limits. There is just too much panic and emotion in a moment to criticize decisions. I deal with families all the time in such situations and its just hard.

 

[Russ Smith]

This is just getting too much into one family's business. Not criticizing you per se. Just the idea that this conversation is even in public. How families handle emergency tragedy is just off limits. There is just too much panic and emotion in a moment to criticize decisions. I deal with families all the time in such situations and its just hard.

I agree but it was made public by this unnamed family member(who was allegedly Lavar's dad).

That's how he found out his mom had a stroke though some family member texted him that during a practice.

People sort of made Lavar out to be a monster for how he handled that but if his version is true, sounds like he did everything he could.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I agree but it was made public by this unnamed family member(who was allegedly Lavar's dad).

That's how he found out his mom had a stroke though some family member texted him that during a practice.

People sort of made Lavar out to be a monster for how he handled that but if his version is true, sounds like he did everything he could.

That's true for every controversy he's involved in. When you hear his version, all the world is right and Lavar has just been a man driven by his strong principles and his love of family. And he sells it well.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's true for every controversy he's involved in. When you hear his version, all the world is right and Lavar has just been a man driven by his strong principles and his love of family. And he sells it well.

Oh 100% I'm just saying in this case we have 2 totally different versions one from Lavar Ball, and one from some anonymous person who emailed someone off a website and leaked the news that Tina Ball was in the hospital recovering from a stroke.

There was one source for the claim Lavar wouldn't let the boys see her and that was these emails and again allegedly it's Lavars estranged father who sent them but nobody really knows because the family hasn't spoken about it.

He may be putting himself in a good light, he may be telling the truth.

But this Shelburne story is the first time I've seen his version of what happened.

I agree with the other post that stuff should have been private but this relative whoever he is made it public.

 

[JCSunsfan]

My top 3 would be Fultz, Jackson, Ball. Lavar has nothing to do with the evaluation. Ideal draft would be Fultz and Jordan Bell.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Jackson and Fox dont do it for me I am team Ball all the way or Fultton if he drops. Jackson isnt a guy who can turn a Franchise around. put Ball with some weapons and Booker and Ball backcourt, you could have the Splash Bros 2.0. Adding Fox and Jacksom I dont see that big jump possibly being made at all

 

[Cheesebeef]

man... I still Lonzo is the pick. Or Fultz if not him. Jackson just doesn't seem like a guy who's going to change a franchise and that's what we NEED with a top 3 pick. Lonzo and Fultz both have that kind of upside, ability to control the game.