Looks like Marion only Smokes Cubans

[elindholm]

Isn't it ironic that Cuban wouldn't match Phoenix' FA offer to Nash. Maybe he is still trying to buy redemption.

Remember also that Cuban cut Michael Finley just to save on luxury tax, and Finley went on to become an important contributor for the champion Spurs.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

those stats dont mean a whole lot when you get absolutley shut down in the playoffs because youre so ridiculously one dimensional.

This a myth that has been debunked numerous times.

 

[mojorizen7]

This a myth that has been debunked numerous times.

Which one? The myth that our offense got shut down because Marion was one-dimensional or that our SSOL teams in general were one-dimensional?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Fair enough. But Cuban is willing to make the effort and spend the money. Believe me, I'm not a Dallas or Cuban fan. However, I do admire his desire to win.

Isn't it ironic that Cuban wouldn't match Phoenix' FA offer to Nash. Maybe he is still trying to buy redemption.

To further advance your premise Bob Young actually had a write up about this very subject. I still don't think the Kidd and Marion deals were very smart but I forgot about Gortat. I like that move.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/BobYoung/57203

 

[greensborohill]

At this point everyone is bitching just to bitch.

News Flash: DALLAS IS GOING TO BE A MEDIOCRE 5 - 8 SEED AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

Cubes doing "not letting the Mavs go down" leads to him signing Josh Howard and Dampier to ridiculous franchise altering contracts and trading Devin Harris for Jason Kidd because you think you are closer then you are.

They are no closer to getting a championship then they were last year when they weren't even one of the 8 best teams in the league. Cuban is just another version of Sarver. Continually throwing money in the wrong direction just to do so and not having any plan. What are a 35 year old Kidd and Marion going to do for them? Not really all that much except take up cap space on a team that won't be competing for the title as presently constituted.

Basically they were the Suns last year with better health. Nothing more nothing less. Like Ouchie said in his excellent post in another thread its the absence of commiting one way or the other that dooms you to being irrelevent.

Can't we just wait until the end of the offseason before you decide to rant about the direction they are going? At this point they are still figuring what they are going to do and how they want to go about doing it.

I am not saying they are doing everything right. Quite the contrary. But unlike many of you I don't want us to just start throwing around multi year contracts just to show that the are being "active". In other words err on the side of caution. They are ham strung until they decide if they can get the right deal for Nash and Amare. Letting Shawn Marion sign else where isn't going to make or break the season.

The woe is us crap from many of the fans on this board is tired. Just relax and let it play out. And Dallas isn't who we should be trying to emulate.

Can't let you beat down my team like that. . .

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1810

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1812

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1813

Dampier's contract is golden.

 

[greensborohill]

One analysis of all this comes from Jake at MavsMoneyball:
Thanks to David Lord for a stunning bombshell. I don't think people realize what this (The DUST Chip) means. This amounts to the Mavs having done the impossible via Dampier's contract: Creating the equivalent of max-contract level cap space heading into 2010 while signing free agents in 2009. No, wait, this is BETTER than max-level cap space because the deal can actually be LARGER than a free agent deal for a player. Let me repeat this: The Mavs have somehow engineered a scenario where the S&T possibility with Dampier gives them the ability to offer any free agent in 2010 MORE money than any of those teams clearing cap space, no matter how much cap space they make available.

Just a snipet

 

[elindholm]

Just a snipet

It's a bit exaggerated. But yes, having a non-guaranteed final contract year is a clever trick that several GMs have started to come up with, and Dampier is the most dramatic example. You can expect this loophole to be closed with the next CBA.

In any case, your author apparently forgets that a free agent's original team has to agree to the terms of a sign-and-trade. It's likely that the Mavericks will be able to get something of value for Dampier, but it certainly won't be a top tier star.

 

[greensborohill]

It's a bit exaggerated. But yes, having a non-guaranteed final contract year is a clever trick that several GMs have started to come up with, and Dampier is the most dramatic example. You can expect this loophole to be closed with the next CBA.

In any case, your author apparently forgets that a free agent's original team has to agree to the terms of a sign-and-trade. It's likely that the Mavericks will be able to get something of value for Dampier, but it certainly won't be a top tier star.

A top-tier star is feasable.

If he's leaving no matter what and would prefer Dallas, just package Dampier with something else of value (picks, other expierers, etc. in exchange for the star player and one of his former teams crappy contracts. Marcus Banks from Toronto perhaps. . . . I'm sure Chris Bosh would love to come home to Dallas.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

A top-tier star is feasable.

If he's leaving no matter what and would prefer Dallas, just package Dampier with something else of value (picks, other expierers, etc. in exchange for the star player and one of his former teams crappy contracts. Marcus Banks from Toronto perhaps. . . . I'm sure Chris Bosh would love to come home to Dallas.

Actually if I had to call it right now I would say Chris Bosh is a Maverick next year.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Which one? The myth that our offense got shut down because Marion was one-dimensional or that our SSOL teams in general were one-dimensional?

He was "shut down" by the Spurs (I believe a 4 PPG or 2 basket difference). Any other team his stats were virtually the same.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is exactly what I said earlier. A S&T for Marion is pointless because Toronto cannot afford to take back any salary. Funny about Banks, teams are still trying to ditch his contract. He is the hot potato of the league.

Dallas does not have its MLE either. If Orlando retains Gortat, the Mavs will use their MLE to sign Marion.

This is from the Dallas Morning News

Raptors, Mavs Deal For Marion Reaches Standstill

Jul 08, 2009 9:25 AM EST

A potential sign-and-trade between the Raptors and Mavericks involving Shawn Marion appears to have reached a standstill.

The deal is stuck on two points, according to the Dallas Morning News.

An Eastern Conference executive said that one of the points is the inclusion of Toronto point guard Marcus Banks in the deal.

However, Banks is due $9 million over the next two seasons, which would impact the Mavericks' ability to pursue stars in next summer's free agent market.

The other problem is that Toronto doesn't want to take back any salary in exchange for Marion, who is an unrestricted free agent.

If the Raptors won't agree to take Jerry Stackhouse, who has a $7 million contract with $2 million in guarantees, then a third team would have to be found to facilitate the deal.

 

[elindholm]

If he's leaving no matter what and would prefer Dallas, just package Dampier with something else of value (picks, other expierers, etc. in exchange for the star player and one of his former teams crappy contracts.

Picks -- limited value if Dallas is making itself into a powerhouse and will be drafting at the end of the first round.

Other expirers -- have zero value by themselves (which means they are good for acquiring negative value, but useless for acquiring positive value).

Taking back another bad contract -- now you've just reduced the amount you can offer the star.

I'm not saying that Dallas can't bag a top-tier free agent next summer, but Dampier's not the magic bullet. Howard will be expiring in 2010-11 and Terry is overpaid, so it's not clear how the Mavericks can substantially sweeten the deal.

 

[Cheesewater]

Shawn Marion must feel like Banks is his annoying little brother. The NBA is mom and dad and they make Shawn take Banks with him wherever he goes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Shawn Marion must feel like Banks is his annoying little brother. The NBA is mom and dad and they make Shawn take Banks with him wherever he goes.

That's funny.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I hope this deal does go through due to the reactive nature of NBA general managers. If Cuban gets Matrix, Portland would then have to do something to keep up with them, LA, and the SAS. And that means trying to fix their biggest flaw which is the PG position and inevitably Steve Nash. Remember, Portland has easily the most tradeable assets that can provide flexibility and talent of any of the "buyers" on the market right now.

 

[Griffin]

So the Mavericks, who won a total of four more games last season than Phoenix and are not exactly one of the favorites to win it all next year, and have a payroll higher than Phoenix, trade Stackhouse and his buyout potential in order to bring in Marion. They could have bought Stackhouse out themselves, saved some cash, get under the LT, but instead they use it to add a quality player, committing $40 million over the next five years to him.

The Suns of course have the same option with Wallace or even Pavlovic. They can swap Wallace for Chandler anytime they wish. Will they? Or will they simply cut expenses while other teams like Dallas spend more money to stay competitive?

 

[JCSunsfan]

So the Mavericks, who won a total of four more games last season than Phoenix and are not exactly one of the favorites to win it all next year, and have a payroll higher than Phoenix, trade Stackhouse and his buyout potential in order to bring in Marion. They could have bought Stackhouse out themselves, saved some cash, get under the LT, but instead they use it to add a quality player, committing $40 million over the next five years to him.

The Suns of course have the same option with Wallace or even Pavlovic. They can swap Wallace for Chandler anytime they wish. Will they? Or will they simply cut expenses while other teams like Dallas spend more money to stay competitive?

Their owner is a billionaire with money to burn. Our owner does not have the same deep pockets. In fact, our owner has always had money issues. He was asking the team to cut payroll as a condition of purchase (remember the Googs to Utah trade). I am beginning to think that Sarver has no business owning an NBA team. He does not have the deep pockets necessary to be competitive.

 

[greensborohill]

Good day in Maverickville!!

Apparently there is more to come. . . . I think JET will be leaving. . unfortunate, but I think it will be for the best. . . we'll see.

 

[mojorizen7]

Their owner is a billionaire with money to burn. Our owner does not have the same deep pockets. In fact, our owner has always had money issues. He was asking the team to cut payroll as a condition of purchase (remember the Googs to Utah trade). I am beginning to think that Sarver has no business owning an NBA team. He does not have the deep pockets necessary to be competitive.

The Knicks and Mavericks are each required to pay more than $23 million in luxury tax on their 2008-09 payrolls, according to documents obtained by NBA.com and distributed to all teams Tuesday. The league also expects revenues to fall this season and has warned teams to plan accordingly.
Seven teams overall were subject to the tax, which totaled more than $87 million overall. The 23 teams below the tax threshold of $71.15 million last season will each receive payments of $2,911,756 (1/30th of the total tax).
The remaining $20.4 million of undistributed tax funds will be allocated to the league's Revenue Assistance Plan, which distributes money to low-revenue teams for the 2008-09 season.

SUNS are #7 on this dubious list.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/art_garcia/07/08/salarycapinfo/index.html

 

[DeAnna]

Is Shawn healthy? I remember last year meeting one of the Suns team physicians at a party and he said his knees are "bone on bone" ie, no cartilage. I found that amazing since he still jumps around like a pogo stick.

 

[Lorenzo]

I respect mark cuban for never settling for the status quo. I don't like some of the moves that he has made. letting nash walk, letting harris go, trading nick van excel, etc. But the one thing that he has done has been never settling for the status quo. he always gives his fans something to be excited about when things don't pan out. when nash left the mavs were hitting a playoff brickwall for years. when harris left the mavs were on the dip rather than rising. when van excel left the mavs were struggling to get out of the WC. So he had reasoning behind even his contreversial decisions.

I feel marion was overrated in phoenix. He is a hustle guy with excellent athletic ability that greatly benefited from playing alongside nash and stat. he is not a offensive orientated player(from a iso standpoint). but the mavs don't need that. they need a guy who can rebound, hustle in the fast break with kidd, and play some D. marion did that in phoenix. if he can do it in Big D he will fit in well. I like this move for now. it beats the alternative.

 

[Mainstreet]

I respect mark cuban for never settling for the status quo. I don't like some of the moves that he has made. letting nash walk, letting harris go, trading nick van excel, etc. But the one thing that he has done has been never settling for the status quo. he always gives his fans something to be excited about when things don't pan out. when nash left the mavs were hitting a playoff brickwall for years. when harris left the mavs were on the dip rather than rising. when van excel left the mavs were struggling to get out of the WC. So he had reasoning behind even his contreversial decisions.

I have to respect Cuban for always trying to improve the Mavs although sometimes the effort is misplaced. Also he tends to put his foot in his mouth. However, if Cuban makes a mistake (e.g. Nash and Harris), he will do every length under the sun to correct it. Being a owner is not a hobby for Cuban.

I wonder what Kerr is doing right now to improve the Suns. Jannero Pargo went for peanuts to the Bulls.

 

[Lorenzo]

I have to respect Cuban for always trying to improve the Mavs although sometimes the effort is misplaced. Also he tends to put his foot in his mouth. However, if Cuban makes a mistake (e.g. Nash and Harris), he will do every length under the sun to correct it. Being a owner is not a hobby for Cuban.

I wonder what Kerr is doing right now to improve the Suns. Jannero Pargo went for peanuts to the Bulls.

exactly. In retrospect steve nash walking looks like a blunderous decision. At the time it wasn't a big deal because the mavs were coming off their worst playoff letdown of the cuban era.....and critics were widely questioning steve nash's durability come playoff time because he was getting torched by backup point guards like bobby jackson. then nash went on to phoenix and won 2 MVPs. When you consider that the mavs were actually better with nash being a MVP on another team in their own conference....shortly after.....you have to respect the way the mavs were running the organization.

now the harris trade? i still don't understand that one because he was a young player. but the point is as you say...cuban is always looking to win now. and that's all you can ask for in a owner/front office. that's why the mavs will always be in the mix while he and dirk are in place.

 

[Mainstreet]

now the harris trade? i still don't understand that one because he was a young player. but the point is as you say...cuban is always looking to win now. and that's all you can ask for in a owner/front office. that's why the mavs will always be in the mix while he and dirk are in place.

I don't know where Cuban's mind was regarding Harris. Again, Cuban makes a good turnaround move and signs the French PG Rodrigue Beaubois who I think will be good.

 

[joshstmarie]

I wonder what Kerr is doing right now to improve the Suns. Jannero Pargo went for peanuts to the Bulls.

come on dude. seriously?