Lue to Milwaukee

[Cheesebeef]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2008/07/lue_to_bucks.html



The Suns were not $600,000 short; they were more than $1.2 million short and all of it subject to the luxury tax.

even better. not only didn't we get the guy we wanted (and the fact that we wanted him makes me sick) but as usual, we completely misread the market for his services.

 

[Irish]

even better. not only didn't we get the guy we wanted (and the fact that we wanted him makes me sick) but as usual, we completely misread the market for his services.

The "market" for Vet Min guys is always a gamble. Some years it is great and in others it is horrible. Perhaps the oddest part is that guys who can get cut and then signed for minimum salary get get really good deals the following year.

 

[jagu]

Attention Kerr: I'll play the point for 100,000 bucks!

 

[Cheesebeef]

The "market" for Vet Min guys is always a gamble.

a gamble? It's a sure loss when you go after the guys we usually go after with the lure of nothing (setting our sights on Bobby Jackson, Harpring, Duhon, etc. etc. - like ANY of those guys were gonna take the minimum).

 

[Irish]

a gamble? It's a sure loss when you go after the guys we usually go after with the lure of nothing (setting our sights on Bobby Jackson, Harpring, Duhon, etc. etc. - like ANY of those guys were gonna take the minimum).

So your theory is that the Suns should not try to get these guys even if it is a long shot? Exactly what is the downside?

 

[Cheesebeef]

So your theory is that the Suns should not try to get these guys even if it is a long shot? Exactly what is the downside?

my theory is that the Suns have no idea what they're doing pretty much as far as anything is concerned and they're making themselves as a franchise look like a second rate organization by continually offering contracts or talking about guys who they have no shot of getting because they're not willing to pay. That's the downside. They're hurting their own credibility as a franchise. That not only will hurt them in the future with FA (when they, like everyone else in the league will have a ton of cap room), but they're REALLY starting to alienate their fan base as well. I've been a die-hard Suns fan for two decades and I've literally begun to stop caring about them. You may say good riddance and the Suns don't need me, but when a team starts losing it's strongest supporters, that's a problem. I didn't even blink when we lost to the Spurs after Game 1. I didn't scream in anger or get excited in any of the other games and anyone who knows me that if I'm anything, it's incredibly emotional. When the Suns can beat the emotion out of one of it's biggest fans, that's a problem no matter how you slice it (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that feeling).

 

[nowagimp]

my theory is that the Suns have no idea what they're doing pretty much as far as anything is concerned and they're making themselves as a franchise look like a second rate organization by continually offering contracts or talking about guys who they have no shot of getting because they're not willing to pay. That's the downside. They're hurting their own credibility as a franchise IMO by continually a) being thrifty and b) failing at accomplishing their goals.

This is a pretty plausible theory, and few FO's have looked worse than the suns recently(memphis?). When you fumble publicly so much, players will lose confidence in the organization. The suns batting average for signing publicly targeted free agents must be below .100. They almost never get their man.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is a pretty plausible theory, and few FO's have looked worse than the suns recently(memphis?). When you fumble publicly so much, players will lose confidence in the organization. The suns batting average for signing publicly targeted free agents must be below .100. They almost never get their man.

the fact that they've been so arrogant the last couple years as well, citing "the Suns discount", as well as talking about being able to move up in the draft (last year) or coming out with comments like "Sean Marks is really going to surprise people" just seems to me like they think their fans are idiots.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

the fact that they've been so arrogant the last couple years as well, citing "the Suns discount", as well as talking about being able to move up in the draft (last year) or coming out with comments like "Sean Marks is really going to surprise people" just seems to me like they think their fans are idiots.

Sean Marks offers FLEXIBILITY!!!! Amare Stoudemire is our FIRST ROUND PICK THIS YEAR! I AM YELLING!

 

[carey]

the fact that they've been so arrogant the last couple years as well, citing "the Suns discount", as well as talking about being able to move up in the draft (last year) or coming out with comments like "Sean Marks is really going to surprise people" just seems to me like they think their fans are idiots.

That's not it at all. They really believe those things. The fans aren't the idiots here...

 

[msdundee]

I've been a die-hard Suns fan for two decades and I've literally begun to stop caring about them. You may say good riddance and the Suns don't need me, but when a team starts losing it's strongest supporters, that's a problem. I didn't even blink when we lost to the Spurs after Game 1. ........ When the Suns can beat the emotion out of one of it's biggest fans, that's a problem no matter how you slice it (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on that feeling).

Nope, you're not alone. I don't even begin to understand it myself, but I had the same reaction--starting with the trade. Didn't watch one complete game for the rest of the season, just a quarter here and there to re-convince myself that I didn't care. Even gave away two sets of tickets.

There was an upside, though. More fun and less stress watching the playoffs when you don't give a rip who wins. Except I really did care in the finals ..........

 

[Cheesebeef]

Nope, you're not alone. I don't even begin to understand it myself, but I had the same reaction--starting with the trade. Didn't watch one complete game for the rest of the season, just a quarter here and there to re-convince myself that I didn't care. Even gave away two sets of tickets.

and this I find to be very interesting because if I recall correctly, you and I have gone around the bend on this team several times in the past, coming at from two very distinct positions - you who were pretty positive and me who was pretty pessimistic. If you're doing something to alienate BOTH of those fans, as a franchise, you've got problems.

There was an upside, though. More fun and less stress watching the playoffs when you don't give a rip who wins. Except I really did care in the finals ..........

yeah, to be honest, if the Suns had gone any further, I might literally have damaged my back for good. I completely destroyed my (already damaged) lower back jumping up during Game 1 which was one of many factors which led to two pretty debilitating back surgeries which I'm still struggling to recover from. If I actually cared and then went any further, my emotional impulses probably would have carried me to further damage to my back after the surgery (considering I was so brittle that post surgery 1, stubbing my stop ruptured the same disc and put me back in surgery again).

Huh, so I guess Sarver's cheapskate ways probably SAVED my life. Thanks Foamy!