MadCards Way Too Early 2025 offseason plan

[oaken1]

Okay. But understand that Steve Breaston had 113 targets in his 1,000 yard season with us, and no less than 82 in the two seasons following.

If you're looking for a free agent with ideal size and speed and hands who will change the geometry of the offense, you're going to have to throw the ball more to attract them and/or justify the cost.

We don't need a speed guy to get 1000 yards.
We need a speed guy to make 2 catches a game out of 4 or 5 targets a game.
Not everything Breaston did was over the top... I simply used him as an example of the type of player we need...a guy who can get behind the defense at will...and catch at least 40% of his targets or better....and as an example of how it opens things underneath, we all saw that.
Maybe it's not a FA...maybe it's a 5th round draft pick

 

[oaken1]

Get tyrek hill by any means possible he harrison jr murray potential to be speed on turf in az

And of course dend corners lol

Just say "No" to Tyreek the Freak...
He is getting old, and thinks of nobody but himself...as evidenced by his 62 kids from 60 different baby mommas.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Just say "No" to Tyreek the Freak...
He is getting old, and thinks of nobody but himself...as evidenced by his 62 kids from 60 different baby mommas.

Just be nice have a servicble fast wr next harrison jr

Ill need to look at upcomin fa wrs if no hill

 

[kerouac9]

We don't need a speed guy to get 1000 yards.
We need a speed guy to make 2 catches a game out of 4 or 5 targets a game.
Not everything Breaston did was over the top... I simply used him as an example of the type of player we need...a guy who can get behind the defense at will...and catch at least 40% of his targets or better....and as an example of how it opens things underneath, we all saw that.
Maybe it's not a FA...maybe it's a 5th round draft pick

So who is this player you’re talking about? Would a John Brown or JJ Nelson slake your thirst?

 

[oaken1]

So who is this player you’re talking about? Would a John Brown or JJ Nelson slake your thirst?

I don't know who he is. I have not identified any real burners in the draft... kinda hoping a guy pops at the combine because all the names at WR seem to be 4.4 type guys....and it's difficult for me to watch tape on every Marshall or Lower Minnesota Baptist State to try and find a guy who can run a 4.2 in pads and still catch a few balls.
But, it's early, I may yet find him before April

 

[ASUCHRIS]

So who is this player you’re talking about? Would a John Brown or JJ Nelson slake your thirst?

Brown, yes. Nelson, not so much.

 

[slanidrac16]

How much volume do you expect the third passing option in this offense to get? Michael Wilson had 71 targets this season.

EDIT: This is the real reason why we're unlikely to attract or invest in a legit WR2.

I could see a solid number two reducing Wilson’s role.

 

[Chopper0080]

So who is this player you’re talking about? Would a John Brown or JJ Nelson slake your thirst?

MVS has been my pick in terms of a probable option.

 

[slanidrac16]

MVS has been my pick in terms of a probable option.

Has never had more than 40 catches but he does add a deep threat.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Who? Name some guys you think are top 10 and available?

Not a great FA class for what we need.

If they're not there in FA, trading for a top player should an option.

Trading up in the draft to get an impact player should be an option too.

 

[juza76]

With the Petzing offense i doni see any valuable WRs willing to sign with the cardinals cause likely can be the tombstone of their career

 

[BritCard]

Who would you like to see us add? If we lose White I was looking at Zach Baun. Sweat is intriguing but is he a difference maker?

I think the Eagles resign Baun. Both sides seem happy. Eagles have a habit of paying players they like.

 

[BritCard]

Okay. But understand that Steve Breaston had 113 targets in his 1,000 yard season with us, and no less than 82 in the two seasons following.

If you're looking for a free agent with ideal size and speed and hands who will change the geometry of the offense, you're going to have to throw the ball more to attract them and/or justify the cost.

Zay Jones is a warning sign too. Zay had 64 targets last year in 9 games, 121 the year before in 16. Comes here and has 11 targets in 11 games.

Zach Pascal is a similar story to a lesser extent. Had 385 and 150 yards before coming here. Had 19 yards in 2 seasons with us.

Same again with Chris Moore. 74 targets in 2022 for 548 yards. 35 in 2023 for 424. Bring him in to be that deep threat as he was the 2nd best deep ball receiver in 2023 and averaged 19 YPC. Guy didn't even get a snap, even with Zay out. Got cut mid season and never picked up effectively wasting a year for him.

Very much not an attractive destination for vet FA wide receivers.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Based on the fact they have a track record of success in the NFL vs the three street free agents we had in there (Lopez, Naquan, and Tonga).
Nichols and Jones were brought here and paid big bucks, so they obviously fit the system and profile. Given a year to work in our system with JG coaching them up...that is my expectation that these two guys can play better than street free agents…that outplayed them when healthy this year.

FTFY.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't see lacking a pro bowl player as a gaping hole. We have a pretty average DL group IMO. I want better, but that doesn't mean it is bad.

Even with a good edge an offensive line coukd doubke that guy and still stone the remaining guys we have. 2025, a year with still no passrush. Sounds fun. Again.

 

[MadCardDisease]

We don't need a speed guy to get 1000 yards.
We need a speed guy to make 2 catches a game out of 4 or 5 targets a game.
Not everything Breaston did was over the top... I simply used him as an example of the type of player we need...a guy who can get behind the defense at will...and catch at least 40% of his targets or better....and as an example of how it opens things underneath, we all saw that.
Maybe it's not a FA...maybe it's a 5th round draft pick

I don't really care about a "speed guy" or a "burner" that runs 4.2-4.3. I want a guy who knows how to get separation down field. Tank Dell wasn't a "Burner" running a 4.49 forty at the combine. However Dell excelled at route running and creating separation.

Could the Cardinals draft a guy like Tez Johnson out of Oregon in the 3rd round to be that upgrade over Dortch? Johnson runs solid routes and is able to create separation. He has that burst and short area quickness. Plus he is dangerous as a punt returner.

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[TheCardFan]

FTFY.

I like Jone and Lopez but what was the sample size (games) you are using for comparison?

 

[football karma]

To take this thread in a different direction:

Lets say the top of the draft goes like PFF just mocked it:

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Would you offer a TEXANS 2023 like trade offer to Carolina at #5 to get Abdul Carter, EDGE, Penn St?

to refresh on what that was:

No. 3: Arizona → Houston (D). Arizona traded first- and fourth-round selections (3rd and 105th overall) to Houston in exchange for first- and second-round selections (12th and 33rd overall), and 2024 first- and third-round selections.[Trade 2]

 

[ASUCHRIS]

To take this thread in a different direction:

Lets say the top of the draft goes like PFF just mocked it:

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Would you offer a TEXANS 2023 like trade offer to Carolina at #5 to get Abdul Carter, EDGE, Penn St?

to refresh on what that was:

No. 3: Arizona → Houston (D). Arizona traded first- and fourth-round selections (3rd and 105th overall) to Houston in exchange for first- and second-round selections (12th and 33rd overall), and 2024 first- and third-round selections.[Trade 2]

I'd rather get Crosby for that. We're in desperate need of a sure thing.

 

[Chopper0080]

Has never had more than 40 catches but he does add a deep threat.

I think he just fits as a guy who can play outside, is familiar and comfortable with a vertical, clear out role, and is willing to take a contract that fits that role.

 

[Chopper0080]

To take this thread in a different direction:

Lets say the top of the draft goes like PFF just mocked it:

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Would you offer a TEXANS 2023 like trade offer to Carolina at #5 to get Abdul Carter, EDGE, Penn St?

to refresh on what that was:

No. 3: Arizona → Houston (D). Arizona traded first- and fourth-round selections (3rd and 105th overall) to Houston in exchange for first- and second-round selections (12th and 33rd overall), and 2024 first- and third-round selections.[Trade 2]

Why would Carolina pass on Abdul Carter?

Outside of that, would I give up 16, 47, a 2026 1st and 2026 3rd for #5?

IDK, Cardinals gave up 12, 34 and 168 to the Lions for 6 and 81.

That's a tough question.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't really care about a "speed guy" or a "burner" that runs 4.2-4.3. I want a guy who knows how to get separation down field. Tank Dell wasn't a "Burner" running a 4.49 forty at the combine. However Dell excelled at route running and creating separation.

Could the Cardinals draft a guy like Tez Johnson out of Oregon in the 3rd round to be that upgrade over Dortch? Johnson runs solid routes and is able to create separation. He has that burst and short area quickness. Plus he is dangerous as a punt returner.

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I know Steve Smith talked highly of him last year when he was evaluating the Oregon receivers. Smith said he is a total dog.

 

[kerouac9]

Could the Cardinals draft a guy like Tez Johnson out of Oregon in the 3rd round to be that upgrade over Dortch? Johnson runs solid routes and is able to create separation. He has that burst and short area quickness. Plus he is dangerous as a punt returner.

Greg Dortch had 50 targets last season. If we invest another third round pick on a skill position player who is capped for production, I'm going to lose my mind.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Greg Dortch had 50 targets last season. If we invest another third round pick on a skill position player who is capped for production, I'm going to lose my mind.

Exactly why I want an upgrade over Dortch.

 

[kerouac9]

Exactly why I want an upgrade over Dortch.

But even if you combine Dortch and Jones’ targets there isn’t enough volume to justify that high a selection