Making a Case For QB Nick Foles

[Cbus cardsfan]

No, but I've seen Foles regularly make those throws and connect on them.

Honestly, this is a moot point because the team isn't going to trade for another QB (especially with the Eagles). We did have the opportunity to draft Foles, but instead, we took Jamel Flemming

Agreed, at least not a starting QB. I could see a 4th or 5th rounder maybe being swapped for Glennon but that's about it. Arians has consistently said he's very happy with the current QB room.

 

[Chopper0080]

Agreed, at least not a starting QB. I could see a 4th or 5th rounder maybe being swapped for Glennon but that's about it. Arians has consistently said he's very happy with the current QB room.

I look around the league, and it is on par with most teams. Matt Ryan has looked average. Stafford has looked average. Flacco in the playoffs is amazing, but regular season is ok. Eli, Rivers, Cutler, Brees, Roethlisberger, and Manning all have warts now that get more glaring every year. I like Palmer over Dalton. I like our QB situation over 13 other NFL teams and on par with teams like the Bears, Giants, ect.

And, in terms of this draft class, I like Logan Thomas more than any QB not going in the top 10 of the draft (Winston, Mariota). He has better physical talent and less of a learning curve than any other.

 

[Buckybird]

And, in terms of this draft class, I like Logan Thomas more than any QB not going in the top 10 of the draft (Winston, Mariota). He has better physical talent and less of a learning curve than any other.

Physical talent & throwing the rock in the NFL are 2 differant animals. Luv your posts & analysis Chopper but Thomas is a horrendous QB. BA keeps saying how much he likes this kid, but if he thinks he's gonna develop into something he's never even flashed, then Thomas will likely get him fired. Ken Whisenhunt cough cough

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Hey Bagarocks! He was 6-0. He wasn't winning games????

I'll just choose to ignore you and your lame attempt at a slight instead of just banning you as a troll. Play nice.

 

[Chopper0080]

Physical talent & throwing the rock in the NFL are 2 differant animals. Luv your posts & analysis Chopper but Thomas is a horrendous QB. BA keeps saying how much he likes this kid, but if he thinks he's gonna develop into something he's never even flashed, then Thomas will likely get him fired. Ken Whisenhunt cough cough

Ok, who do you like better in this draft class vs Thomas? (who has one year in the AZ system under his belt)

It is more of an indictment against this crop of QBs more than anything. I would rather hitch my 3rd QB spot to a guy with physical tools and a year in the system, than a differently flawed player who doesn't have any profesisonal experience at all.

I'm not saying to pass on Jameis Winston, but I am saying I pass on Hundley (and the others) because he (they) isn't (aren't) a better professional prospect.

 

[TRW]

I don't think Nick Foles is that big of an upgrade, it he is at all. Plus, if he's available then I really question bringing him in. The Eagles have no other option and are ready to let their starter from the beginning of last season go? Caveat Emptor!

No thank you.

As an aside, I heard Carson Palmer on the radio a couple of weeks ago and he sounds like a dude ready to lace 'em up and get going. Mitch, I don't think his lament after the injury or his lack of visibility on the sideline is an issue. I haven't read or heard coaches/management/players say anything except what a leader CP is. If healthy, I think the Cards are in capable hands with CP under center.

 

[BigRedRage]

I'll just choose to ignore you and your lame attempt at a slight instead of just banning you as a troll. Play nice.

lol @ bagofrocks though. somewhat clever. somewhat.

 

[New Username]

I'll just choose to ignore you and your lame attempt at a slight instead of just banning you as a troll. Play nice.

Obviously you can do whatever you like. But it doesn't change the fact that Foles isn't winning any more games for the Eagles than CP has been for the Cardinals. Your statement was silly and not based in fact.

Kelly is done with Foles. That should tell you something about his potential.

 

[cardncubfan]

Obviously you can do whatever you like. But it doesn't change the fact that Foles isn't winning any more games for the Eagles than CP has been for the Cardinals. Your statement was silly and not based in fact.

Kelly is done with Foles. That should tell you something about his potential.

How do you know this?

 

[NJCardFan]

Obviously you can do whatever you like. But it doesn't change the fact that Foles isn't winning any more games for the Eagles than CP has been for the Cardinals. Your statement was silly and not based in fact.

Kelly is done with Foles. That should tell you something about his potential.

I live in this area and haven't heard this stated at all and considering the top sports talk station is nearly 85% Eagles talk, no one, not commentators or fans have mentioned this. Foles was injured last season and before his injury the Eagles were 6-2 and while his numbers weren't as impressive as 2013, he was having an OK year but his numbers fell due to the fact he had no receivers to throw to. But no one is talking about Kelly being done with Foles and all the trade up talk is coming from the media and the fans, not the Eagles.

 

[NJCardFan]

I don't think Nick Foles is that big of an upgrade, it he is at all. Plus, if he's available then I really question bringing him in. The Eagles have no other option and are ready to let their starter from the beginning of last season go? Caveat Emptor!

No thank you.

As an aside, I heard Carson Palmer on the radio a couple of weeks ago and he sounds like a dude ready to lace 'em up and get going. Mitch, I don't think his lament after the injury or his lack of visibility on the sideline is an issue. I haven't read or heard coaches/management/players say anything except what a leader CP is. If healthy, I think the Cards are in capable hands with CP under center.

Unfair assessment. Chip Kelly has made some really dumb decisions like cutting Jackson for no apparent reason and drafting a complete stiff in the 1st round. He also showed his play calling abilities are somewhat questionable like the SF game and our game when he had the ball on the 1 yard line and didn't use McCoy to run the ball. My take is Kelly wants this team in his own image. Foles was an Andy Reid guy as much of the team is. The only player Kelly might want to keep is McCoy but IMO he is far from a genius.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I would let the Rams trade for Foles, and when Bradford is released, pick him up.

Nick Foles has yet to play in a "NFL" style offense, yeah, Chip Kelly is in the NFL and his offense is too, but it is a college type offense and I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe this Kelly type offense is going to be effective in the NFL.

All Nick Foles knows how to do is run Kelly's offense, if you put Foles in Arians' offense, it is in my opinion, he would be more like a rookie out of college than a NFL pro who has been in the league for 3 years.

Thus let the Rams go through that struggle, and we can take Bradford.

That is for people concerned about the QB position for 2015. I am not.

Every single team in the NFL puts all their eggs in one basket when it comes to the QB on the team, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

There are not enough reps, and/or time to not focus on your starting QB for the majority of the season. When your starting QB goes down it is a deathblow for the modern NFL.

Yet, the Cardinals have Palmer, and Stanton who has proved he can win off the bench. Why screw that up ?

After that we are talking about 3rd string QB's and please tell me what team has looked good with their 3rd string QB in ?

 

[cardncubfan]

I would let the Rams trade for Foles, and when Bradford is released, pick him up.

Nick Foles has yet to play in a "NFL" style offense, yeah, Chip Kelly is in the NFL and his offense is too, but it is a college type offense and I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe this Kelly type offense is going to be effective in the NFL.

All Nick Foles knows how to do is run Kelly's offense, if you put Foles in Arians' offense, it is in my opinion, he would be more like a rookie out of college than a NFL pro who has been in the league for 3 years.

Thus let the Rams go through that struggle, and we can take Bradford.

That is for people concerned about the QB position for 2015. I am not.

Every single team in the NFL puts all their eggs in one basket when it comes to the QB on the team, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

There are not enough reps, and/or time to not focus on your starting QB for the majority of the season. When your starting QB goes down it is a deathblow for the modern NFL.

Yet, the Cardinals have Palmer, and Stanton who has proved he can win off the bench. Why screw that up ?

After that we are talking about 3rd string QB's and please tell me what team has looked good with their 3rd string QB in ?

I wouldn't mind Bradford if he can stay healthy. Problem is he is injured every year.

 

[kerouac9]

I live in this area and haven't heard this stated at all and considering the top sports talk station is nearly 85% Eagles talk, no one, not commentators or fans have mentioned this. Foles was injured last season and before his injury the Eagles were 6-2 and while his numbers weren't as impressive as 2013, he was having an OK year but his numbers fell due to the fact he had no receivers to throw to. But no one is talking about Kelly being done with Foles and all the trade up talk is coming from the media and the fans, not the Eagles.

Jeremy Maclin had 1300 yards and 10 TDs this year. Darren Sproles and Zach Ertz are pretty solid secondary targets.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ok, who do you like better in this draft class vs Thomas? (who has one year in the AZ system under his belt)

It is more of an indictment against this crop of QBs more than anything. I would rather hitch my 3rd QB spot to a guy with physical tools and a year in the system, than a differently flawed player who doesn't have any profesisonal experience at all.

I'm not saying to pass on Jameis Winston, but I am saying I pass on Hundley (and the others) because he (they) isn't (aren't) a better professional prospect.

I don't like Hundley much for the NFL but he's far better than Logan Thomas is right now, it's not even close.

Long term who knows, Thomas is bigger and has a stronger arm, Hundley is a better runner and has better touch. Neither has good pocket awareness, neither has shown any ability to read defenses.

Hundley is going to be fascinating to watch in the draft, he could go anywhere from 1st round to late 3rd.

I fully expect Thomas to be back this year, Arians picked him and has been touting him, he's not going to give up after one year. I still say barring major injuries the odds are better his first NFL start is at a position other than QB(TE, WR) than at QB.

 

[kerouac9]

I would let the Rams trade for Foles, and when Bradford is released, pick him up.

Nick Foles has yet to play in a "NFL" style offense, yeah, Chip Kelly is in the NFL and his offense is too, but it is a college type offense and I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe this Kelly type offense is going to be effective in the NFL.

All Nick Foles knows how to do is run Kelly's offense, if you put Foles in Arians' offense, it is in my opinion, he would be more like a rookie out of college than a NFL pro who has been in the league for 3 years.

Thus let the Rams go through that struggle, and we can take Bradford.

That is for people concerned about the QB position for 2015. I am not.

Every single team in the NFL puts all their eggs in one basket when it comes to the QB on the team, EVERY SINGLE ONE.

There are not enough reps, and/or time to not focus on your starting QB for the majority of the season. When your starting QB goes down it is a deathblow for the modern NFL.

Yet, the Cardinals have Palmer, and Stanton who has proved he can win off the bench. Why screw that up ?

After that we are talking about 3rd string QB's and please tell me what team has looked good with their 3rd string QB in ?

Really? Kelly's offense was 12th in DVOA in 2014 with Mark Sanchez playing half the games and an offensive line in constant flux due to suspensions and injuries. In 2013 they were 3rd in DVOA with Vick and Foles starting. The year prior, they were 25th.

The Eagles were 10-6 this year.

 

[juza76]

yes sam bradford is a guy i would try to sign,just scare me his injuries

 

[RugbyMuffin]

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Really? Kelly's offense was 12th in DVOA in 2014 with Mark Sanchez playing half the games and an offensive line in constant flux due to suspensions and injuries. In 2013 they were 3rd in DVOA with Vick and Foles starting. The year prior, they were 25th.

The Eagles were 10-6 this year.

How many playoff wins does Kelly's offense have so far ? Those stats are great, but I root for the Penguins in hockey, and I have seen teams that can really put out the stats, but when it comes to winning big games, they can't cut the mustard.

There is plenty of time to prove me wrong, as I stated in the post, just my opinion, and I stated it as my reasoning why I would not bring in Nick Foles.

As for the 10-6 record ? They played in a weak division, and lucked their arses off in at least 2 wins where there offense didn't score a TD.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't like Hundley much for the NFL but he's far better than Logan Thomas is right now, it's not even close.

Long term who knows, Thomas is bigger and has a stronger arm, Hundley is a better runner and has better touch. Neither has good pocket awareness, neither has shown any ability to read defenses.

Hundley is going to be fascinating to watch in the draft, he could go anywhere from 1st round to late 3rd.

I fully expect Thomas to be back this year, Arians picked him and has been touting him, he's not going to give up after one year. I still say barring major injuries the odds are better his first NFL start is at a position other than QB(TE, WR) than at QB.

OK, so you highlight my point a bit. Both Hundley and Thomas struggle with touch, accuracy, and pocket awareness. We will both agree those are pretty big areas to struggle with. Both also struggle with reading defenses. If this is the case, why would I spend a pick on Hundley who has as many issues as Thomas, and would be one year behind in professional development?

I also find it a bit naive to believe that Hundley, with all of his issues, is far better than Logan Thomas right now, when Thomas has had one year of professional film study, game planning, and practice reps under his belt.

 

[kerouac9]

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How many playoff wins does Kelly's offense have so far ?

How many playoff wins does Bruce Arians have so far? It's nonsense to make a judgement on a one-game sample size (particularly a game when the Eagles produced 24 points against the fourth-ranked defense in the NFL) when you have a 33-game sample size that the offense is pretty productive at this level.

I don't like Hundley much for the NFL but he's far better than Logan Thomas is right now, it's not even close.

I'm not a huge Logan Thomas fan, but no one on this board except JimO has any idea what Thomas is right now.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

How many playoff wins does Bruce Arians have so far? It's nonsense to make a judgement on a one-game sample size (particularly a game when the Eagles produced 24 points against the fourth-ranked defense in the NFL) when you have a 33-game sample size that the offense is pretty productive at this level.

I am not talking about Bruce Arians, and what does he have to do with the conversation ?

I am talking about Nick Foles, and how I don't believe he is ready to play QB in a NFL style offense.

Call it nonsense, call it what you will, I call it lack of reading comprehesion. For the THIRD TIME, I will tell you it is my opinion. I stated that in the initial statement, my response, and again here.

And again I will repeat myself, I understand Kelly's offense makes for great stats, but I do not believe, THUS MY OPINION, that Kelly is going to make it far in the playoffs in the NFL. So it may be productive for fantasy football but I will wait until the Eagles do something in the playoffs before I give Kelly anymore credit than people already heap on the guy.

Kelly's system is interesting, I have watched A LOT of Eagles games living in the local area. Yes, they move the ball, and produce a lot of yards, but there are also things that the NFL doesn't allow to happen that I think Kelly needs for his system to work at the highest NFL level. Not to mention Kelly will be the GM/Coach this season so his personnel abilities are going to be put to the test. THUS WE WILL SEE.

And again I will repeat myself, he has a lot of time to prove me wrong. And good for him if he does.

So, state what you want, I am not going to repeat things 3 times. Post all the stats you want, I am speaking of my beliefs and what I think about Kelly's system. No amount of stats will change that.

Not saying you don't have valid points, they most certainly are. I am just saying I am not one that thinks those stats amount to anything.

I have made some great examples, at least I think so, to try and explain what I mean, and this point, that is all I got.

So, you think Kelly can win, and IF Foles was a good prospect the fact he comes from Kelly's system makes no difference, I feel the exact opposite. And my opinion isn't based on stats, because stat wise you don't get better than Kelly's offense, that is obvious.

But it is a bit of conflict of interests that you promote Kelly's system as one of the best in the NFL. When the offensive line was healthy, Foles' stats where best in the league, yet you don't think Foles is franchise QB worthy ? I agree that Foles is not NFL material, just wonder how you like one without the other ?

 

[Chopper0080]

I am not talking about Bruce Arians, and what does he have to do with the conversation ?

I am talking about Nick Foles, and how I don't believe he is ready to play QB in a NFL style offense.

Call it nonsense, call it what you will, I call it lack of reading comprehesion. For the THIRD TIME, I will tell you it is my opinion. I stated that in the initial statement, my response, and again here.

And again I will repeat myself, I understand Kelly's offense makes for great stats, but I do not believe, THUS MY OPINION, that Kelly is going to make it far in the playoffs in the NFL. So it may be productive for fantasy football but I will wait until the Eagles do something in the playoffs before I give Kelly anymore credit than people already heap on the guy.

Kelly's system is interesting, I have watched A LOT of Eagles games living in the local area. Yes, they move the ball, and produce a lot of yards, but there are also things that the NFL doesn't allow to happen that I think Kelly needs for his system to work at the highest NFL level. Not to mention Kelly will be the GM/Coach this season so his personnel abilities are going to be put to the test. THUS WE WILL SEE.

And again I will repeat myself, he has a lot of time to prove me wrong. And good for him if he does.

So, state what you want, I am not going to repeat things 3 times. Post all the stats you want, I am speaking of my beliefs and what I think about Kelly's system. No amount of stats will change that.

Not saying you don't have valid points, they most certainly are. I am just saying I am not one that thinks those stats amount to anything.

I have made some great examples, at least I think so, to try and explain what I mean, and this point, that is all I got.

So, you think Kelly can win, and IF Foles was a good prospect the fact he comes from Kelly's system makes no difference, I feel the exact opposite. And my opinion isn't based on stats, because stat wise you don't get better than Kelly's offense, that is obvious.

But it is a bit of conflict of interests that you promote Kelly's system as one of the best in the NFL. When the offensive line was healthy, Foles' stats where best in the league, yet you don't think Foles is franchise QB worthy ? I agree that Foles is not NFL material, just wonder how you like one without the other ?

So, this is just your opinion then?

 

[New Username]

I live in this area and haven't heard this stated at all and considering the top sports talk station is nearly 85% Eagles talk, no one, not commentators or fans have mentioned this. Foles was injured last season and before his injury the Eagles were 6-2 and while his numbers weren't as impressive as 2013, he was having an OK year but his numbers fell due to the fact he had no receivers to throw to. But no one is talking about Kelly being done with Foles and all the trade up talk is coming from the media and the fans, not the Eagles.

I know someone that spoke directly with Kelly. He is not happy with Foles or Sanchez.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

So, this is just your opinion then?

I think so, not sure myself anymore.

There is always the chance that I am missing the point.

Sometimes when K9 and I debate its like watching a shown down at the OK corall between two blind men.

Plenty of action but kinda not seeing eye to eye. LOL

Point is K9 makes great points, I just don't see the Eagles being a good playoff team. But, since it is just my opinion, I may have to eat crow at some point over the next 5 years for said statement against said team.

 

[az jam]

I think so, not sure myself anymore.

There is always the chance that I am missing the point.

Sometimes when K9 and I debate its like watching a shown down at the OK corall between two blind men.

Plenty of action but kinda not seeing eye to eye. LOL

Point is K9 makes great points, I just don't see the Eagles being a good playoff team. But, since it is just my opinion, I may have to eat crow at some point over the next 5 years for said statement against said team.

You have made some very interesting points. IMO, this will be a big year for Kelly as he now also has GM responsibilities. Their defense is what really needs to improve.