Malcolm Butler...

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Will we ever find out why the best defensive player on the Patriots missed the biggest game of the year?


He's now a free agent - did that hurt his big-money contract chances?
 

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Jurecky like a broken record saying we can't afford his salary
They ll try to resign tramon williams

The good thing is about jurecky being always wrong
 

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Butler is going to be looking for big money. I'd love to see him opposite of PP but not at the cost that you'd have to pay him.
 

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It may have had something to do with the fact that Butler did not travel with the team to Minnesota because he was being treated for flu-like symptoms back home. He joined the team a day later and played on a limited basis in practice---and said he did well in the practice and was starting to feel better. But, Butler's illness gave the coaches a chance to give Eric Rowe a steady diet of first team reps.

There will be conspiracy theories---perhaps Belichick was not satisfied with the reasons why Butler did not make the trip with the team---perhaps they believed that Butler was dealing with other issues.

Funny, but as i was listening to an interview with Butler during Super Bowl week and how he was candidly open about this not being his best season, I thought, knowing BB, that kind of openness with the media does not sit well with the HC and the Patriot Way. Perhaps this was an additional factor.

The fact that the Patriots didn't even give Butler assignments on the sub packages, in favor of playing #3 CB Rowe and #4 CB Johnson Bademosi, indicate that keeping Butler on the sidelines, who had played 98% of the defensive snaps during the year, is far more than a "football decision."

As for Butler's value as a UFA---sportrac rated his market value at $13M a year last week---but, it's very likely that Butler will have to settle for less per annum than that. Much could depend on whether the real reasons for MB's benching emerge.
 

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BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.
 

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BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.

If there isn't much more to this story, then you are 100% correct. The truth may emerge, however, and then you will have to decide if BB was justified in his decision.
 

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BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.
BB might be a prick, but he's extremely calculated. If Butler wasn't 100%...BB definitely wasn't going to put him in.
 

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If there isn't much more to this story, then you are 100% correct. The truth may emerge, however, and then you will have to decide if BB was justified in his decision.
I'd say it's likely based on Butler's tears on the sideline.

This guy singhandedly delivered the team a SB victory vs. Seattle and is one of thier best players. This was not "football decision."
 

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BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.

Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).
 

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Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).

Agree with 9 out of 10 percentages in most scenarios. If that 1 out of 10 decisions likely cost a Super Bowl win even Belichick has to present a logical answer to his owner and team. Does he have one?
 
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Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).


Make that 8 of 10, because it didn't work yesterday. And based on reactions, Bill may have nuked the Patriot Way.
 

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BB thought they would still win the game and the benching would just be a big FU to Malcom for being "difficult" in contract negotiations and choosing not to re-sign with the Pats. It backfired.
 

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Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).

I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.
 

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I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.

Perception is overrated. Even at 3-5, New England would still be a dynasty getting to 8 Super Bowls in 17 years. Even the Bills in the early 90s, that lost 4 in a row, was the top-dog in the AFC.
 
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I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.

Their wins are by 3,3,3,4 and 6 in OT.

2002: Won as time expired on FG
2004: Bad kickoff (went out of bounds) gave NE great field position, won on FG with 4 seconds left
2005: Patriots controlled the game, won by three
 

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I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.

Helmet catch. It goes both ways
 

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Their wins are by 3,3,3,4 and 6 in OT.

2002: Won as time expired on FG
2004: Bad kickoff (went out of bounds) gave NE great field position, won on FG with 4 seconds left
2005: Patriots controlled the game, won by three

Some really good coach was quoted once, " You are what your record says you are." IMO, what the Patriots have taught (but I don't think most other teams are paying attention) is that you build your team to win your division...basically dominate your division...and let the chips fall in the playoffs.
 
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Some really good coach was quoted once, " You are what your record says you are." IMO, what the Patriots have taught (but I don't think most other teams are paying attention) is that you build your team to win your division...basically dominate your division...and let the chips fall in the playoffs.


And I forgot to mention

2002 - cheated by filming Rams
2004/05 - hadn't been caught, still doing the same cheating.

So Belicheat/Brady have TWO clean wins, both by luck.
 

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And I forgot to mention

2002 - cheated by filming Rams
2004/05 - hadn't been caught, still doing the same cheating.

So Belicheat/Brady have TWO clean wins, both by luck.

I'm sure, as Cardinals fans, if our team was in the same position as the Patriots, we'd give back those Super Bowl wins...or discount them, based on how they were won or margin of victory...hahahahahahaha...Not a chance in hell!
 
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I'm sure, as Cardinals fans, if our team was in the same position as the Patriots, we'd give back those Super Bowl wins...or discount them, based on how they were won or margin of victory...hahahahahahaha...Not a chance in hell!


Agreed - but it makes me feel better to discount them :)
 

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The guy who disdains distractions created an ultimate distraction to his players hours before the Superbowl by benching Butler?

A OK!

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