Malcolm Butler...

Dback Jon

Doing it My Way
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
82,006
Reaction score
41,803
Location
South Scottsdale
Will we ever find out why the best defensive player on the Patriots missed the biggest game of the year?


He's now a free agent - did that hurt his big-money contract chances?
 

juza76

ASFN Icon
Joined
Sep 5, 2009
Posts
13,798
Reaction score
9,618
Location
milan-italy
Jurecky like a broken record saying we can't afford his salary
They ll try to resign tramon williams

The good thing is about jurecky being always wrong
 

Frank The Fixer

Veteran
Joined
Apr 27, 2017
Posts
221
Reaction score
268
Location
Chandler
Butler is going to be looking for big money. I'd love to see him opposite of PP but not at the cost that you'd have to pay him.
 

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
It may have had something to do with the fact that Butler did not travel with the team to Minnesota because he was being treated for flu-like symptoms back home. He joined the team a day later and played on a limited basis in practice---and said he did well in the practice and was starting to feel better. But, Butler's illness gave the coaches a chance to give Eric Rowe a steady diet of first team reps.

There will be conspiracy theories---perhaps Belichick was not satisfied with the reasons why Butler did not make the trip with the team---perhaps they believed that Butler was dealing with other issues.

Funny, but as i was listening to an interview with Butler during Super Bowl week and how he was candidly open about this not being his best season, I thought, knowing BB, that kind of openness with the media does not sit well with the HC and the Patriot Way. Perhaps this was an additional factor.

The fact that the Patriots didn't even give Butler assignments on the sub packages, in favor of playing #3 CB Rowe and #4 CB Johnson Bademosi, indicate that keeping Butler on the sidelines, who had played 98% of the defensive snaps during the year, is far more than a "football decision."

As for Butler's value as a UFA---sportrac rated his market value at $13M a year last week---but, it's very likely that Butler will have to settle for less per annum than that. Much could depend on whether the real reasons for MB's benching emerge.
 

LoyaltyisaCurse

IF AND WHEN HEALTHY...
Joined
Aug 10, 2004
Posts
53,873
Reaction score
19,668
Location
CA
BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.
 

Mitch

Crawled Through 5 FB Fields
Joined
Aug 10, 2005
Posts
13,405
Reaction score
2,982
Location
Wrentham, MA
BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.

If there isn't much more to this story, then you are 100% correct. The truth may emerge, however, and then you will have to decide if BB was justified in his decision.
 

AsUpRoDiGy

Magnanimous
Joined
Apr 13, 2009
Posts
6,757
Reaction score
4,982
Location
Phx
BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.
BB might be a prick, but he's extremely calculated. If Butler wasn't 100%...BB definitely wasn't going to put him in.
 

LoyaltyisaCurse

IF AND WHEN HEALTHY...
Joined
Aug 10, 2004
Posts
53,873
Reaction score
19,668
Location
CA
If there isn't much more to this story, then you are 100% correct. The truth may emerge, however, and then you will have to decide if BB was justified in his decision.
I'd say it's likely based on Butler's tears on the sideline.

This guy singhandedly delivered the team a SB victory vs. Seattle and is one of thier best players. This was not "football decision."
 

TJ

Frank Kaminsky is my Hero.
Joined
Apr 2, 2005
Posts
34,995
Reaction score
21,110
Location
South Bay
BB is the biggest prick in the NFL. Doing that to one of his best players is the height of hubris. Pats deserved to lose based solely on this dickmove.

Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).
 

Arz101

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Apr 23, 2014
Posts
4,906
Reaction score
5,600
Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).

Agree with 9 out of 10 percentages in most scenarios. If that 1 out of 10 decisions likely cost a Super Bowl win even Belichick has to present a logical answer to his owner and team. Does he have one?
 
OP
OP
Dback Jon

Dback Jon

Doing it My Way
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
82,006
Reaction score
41,803
Location
South Scottsdale
Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).


Make that 8 of 10, because it didn't work yesterday. And based on reactions, Bill may have nuked the Patriot Way.
 

GoldGloveschmidt

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Aug 29, 2013
Posts
4,285
Reaction score
7,051
BB thought they would still win the game and the benching would just be a big FU to Malcom for being "difficult" in contract negotiations and choosing not to re-sign with the Pats. It backfired.
 

gmabel830

It's football season!!
Joined
May 8, 2011
Posts
12,995
Reaction score
8,090
Location
Gilbert, Arizona
Belichick is also the best coach in NFL history because of bold decisions like this. This is the "Patriot Way," and the atmosphere scoffs at non-compliance. These decisions are right 9 times out of 10. The only time it was incredibly wrong was trading Chandler Jones to AZ (thank you, Bill!).

I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.
 

TJ

Frank Kaminsky is my Hero.
Joined
Apr 2, 2005
Posts
34,995
Reaction score
21,110
Location
South Bay
I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.

Perception is overrated. Even at 3-5, New England would still be a dynasty getting to 8 Super Bowls in 17 years. Even the Bills in the early 90s, that lost 4 in a row, was the top-dog in the AFC.
 
OP
OP
Dback Jon

Dback Jon

Doing it My Way
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
82,006
Reaction score
41,803
Location
South Scottsdale
I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.

Their wins are by 3,3,3,4 and 6 in OT.

2002: Won as time expired on FG
2004: Bad kickoff (went out of bounds) gave NE great field position, won on FG with 4 seconds left
2005: Patriots controlled the game, won by three
 

Frank The Fixer

Veteran
Joined
Apr 27, 2017
Posts
221
Reaction score
268
Location
Chandler
I saw an interesting quote that they are one bad Seahawks call and one Falcons collapse away from being 3-5 overall in the Super Bowl and losers of their last 5 in the Brady/BB area. It probably wouldn't move the needle much, but would be interesting to see how it would change the perception of the dynasty had that occurred.

Helmet catch. It goes both ways
 

RON_IN_OC

https://www.ronevansrealty.com
Joined
Mar 10, 2004
Posts
27,182
Reaction score
35,667
Location
BirdGangThing
Their wins are by 3,3,3,4 and 6 in OT.

2002: Won as time expired on FG
2004: Bad kickoff (went out of bounds) gave NE great field position, won on FG with 4 seconds left
2005: Patriots controlled the game, won by three

Some really good coach was quoted once, " You are what your record says you are." IMO, what the Patriots have taught (but I don't think most other teams are paying attention) is that you build your team to win your division...basically dominate your division...and let the chips fall in the playoffs.
 
OP
OP
Dback Jon

Dback Jon

Doing it My Way
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
82,006
Reaction score
41,803
Location
South Scottsdale
Some really good coach was quoted once, " You are what your record says you are." IMO, what the Patriots have taught (but I don't think most other teams are paying attention) is that you build your team to win your division...basically dominate your division...and let the chips fall in the playoffs.


And I forgot to mention

2002 - cheated by filming Rams
2004/05 - hadn't been caught, still doing the same cheating.

So Belicheat/Brady have TWO clean wins, both by luck.
 

RON_IN_OC

https://www.ronevansrealty.com
Joined
Mar 10, 2004
Posts
27,182
Reaction score
35,667
Location
BirdGangThing
And I forgot to mention

2002 - cheated by filming Rams
2004/05 - hadn't been caught, still doing the same cheating.

So Belicheat/Brady have TWO clean wins, both by luck.

I'm sure, as Cardinals fans, if our team was in the same position as the Patriots, we'd give back those Super Bowl wins...or discount them, based on how they were won or margin of victory...hahahahahahaha...Not a chance in hell!
 
OP
OP
Dback Jon

Dback Jon

Doing it My Way
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
82,006
Reaction score
41,803
Location
South Scottsdale
I'm sure, as Cardinals fans, if our team was in the same position as the Patriots, we'd give back those Super Bowl wins...or discount them, based on how they were won or margin of victory...hahahahahahaha...Not a chance in hell!


Agreed - but it makes me feel better to discount them :)
 

Arz101

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Apr 23, 2014
Posts
4,906
Reaction score
5,600
The guy who disdains distractions created an ultimate distraction to his players hours before the Superbowl by benching Butler?

A OK!

Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk
 
Top