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But my God - we are absolutely witnessing something that I don't think anyone - even the darksiders - could have been adeqautely prepared for - This is going to be the worst NFL season in NFL history for any team. Now you may think I'm jumping the gun here - but hear me out.

It dates back to the offseason - First - no one was held accoutnable for our failure last year except our offensive coordinator - a guy ho had to deal with more injuries than anyone I can ever remember. Sure he deserved the axe even though the year beofre he actually had this offense looking somewhat respectable - but he wasn't one of Mac's guys from the old days. No those guys got a free pass - apparently - consistently giving up 30 plus points a game is okay in Mac's book - hell - our guys who are out of camp - "are missing some damn fine tuting coaching right now" - right Mac?

And then there was the hiring of an offensive coordinator - well - it looks like Jerry Sullivan might get lucky and get out of here - well, we can't let our only good ocach leave the team - why not promote him to OC after interviewing the sorriest sack of potential OC's I can ever remember. There was a problem - Suly didn't even want to be the OC and had to be talked into and has gone on record that after this stint is done, he will probably go back to being a receiver's coach - I wonder what he's thinking now?

Then, player personell decision started - We resigned Marcel Shipp - great move! This guy is finally gonn a be that back we've all been waiting for -the back who makes the rest of the offense atcually run smoothly. Next came McKinnon, Wakefield and Davis - not a one should be on an NFL roster - and are of course starters on ours. Well - okay depth signings, we hope - like way down on the dpeth chart because while Mac's got a big heart, the body just ain't willing anymore and as far as the other two are concerend, well I think Mean Joe Greene has taught them as much as they had talent - bothing bothing on that end.

Then came free agency. There was the failure to get any compensation for David Boston and the even more mind-numbing decision to not even try to get that compensation. The media mocked us - good for potential free agents in the future - right?

Next - we have free agency pickups - where we completely destory the good we ad done with Marcel and make the horrible decision to bring in Emmitt Smith as the most shameful attempt at a PR move as I have ever seen - everyone knew it then, everyone certainly is laughing now as not only wasn't there a boost in ticket sales - but we opened the season with the worst opening crowd in team history - not to mention this weekend's game - but I'll save that for later. But gain - we are mocked and ridiculed by everyone.

Next came whiffing on the players we need most to sign and the luck of ligthing that hit Kordell Stewart right before he was about decide to take Rod Graves offer to be our starting QB - we dodged a bullet there - but man - I guess with our Cards it better to be lucky than good (of course this group of people right now wouldn't know good if it hit them in the face, so they just have to pray to be lucky).

We signed a few nice complimentary guys, decided to move our best offensive linemen to C because it was cheap to just move guys around rather than pay an actual center. So free agency ended and we still had a glaring problem at D-Line - a problem for years and we still are competent to even do anything here.

So - we whiffed on coaching decisions for the whole and on free agency - there's always the draft . . .

ESPN laughing at us - Calvin Pace (who has zero sacks and hasn't come close to making one play in this league yet) and Bryant Johnson? Terrel Suggs, Lefty - a QB and a DE - two things this club has lacked for years - but hey e don't want those guys and actually we get swindled by the Saints. We get Anquan because Tolbert has to out talk everyone else in the room - good thing Graves was probably drunk from Cradinal Kool-aid at the point and apprently wasn't involved - I mean how could he be - it was a great move. Bottom line is the draft came and went and once again we were laughed at by everyone again - another time for us to shine for potential head coaches and next year's free agents.

Then we come to the dead period, sitting on 14 million dollars in cap room - but wait till June 1st Graves said - okayu - we wait til June 1st and it came and went and so did the summer, but the cap space was still there - how come we weren't trying to improve the "BELLY" of the team - apparently Graves thought he had completely done so and his theories would prove correct - just wait till you see us play. Hey, we have our starting DE go down with an ACL - but we don't need to bring in another DL - right? No then we'd have to cut someone like Bryan Young or some other poor schmoe who likely couldn't make an arena squad.

Both picks come in by mid-first week of camp - mind you not before camp - but still a change somewhat - at least they were just missing days instead of months - right? Well, one of those draft picks makes national news by getting taken to the hospital for beibg too drunk - ugh - okay - he's young and it's okay - but it still looks bad nonetheless.

Then we have our 4-0 preseason - YAHOO! Mac thinks it's important to win preseason games - well of course he does - he doesn't know what it's like to be a winner and he'll take 'em anyway he can get 'em. Well optimism runs high and then the season begins . . .

And what happens we get shellacked by the LIONS in the second half - outscored 28-3 - the Lions - the worst team in the league for the last two years. Okay - first game abberration.

Game 2 - The most pathetic performance I have ever seen 38-0. The game was over on the first play - I knew it everyone on the sidelines knew it and everyone in that baking hot tsadium knew it. Of course Mac won't tolerate losses like these.

Something is really starting to stink as players from other teams start talking about knowing our calls and plays - really distubring news - but hey this can't be true - our coaches can't be this stupid - right? Phhuuuleeze!

Week 3 - God smiled on us. This game was nothing more than a lfat out ridiculous fluke that we only won because Green Bay was exhausted and had their recievers completely banged up. We were one play away from being 0-3 - but it was respite and hey now we can buyild on something. Meanwhile, our only free agent to pay off any dividends at this point was Dexter Jackson - Emmitt had yet to rush over 65 yards and a draft that has done nothing (even with allof Anquan's yards) to make either the defense or the offense better.

Week 4 - now it's starting to get real ugly - we come out and get manhandled by a team who doesn't even have it's starting QB or all-star Running Back. Of course we were the typcial - NOW THE RAMS ARE BACK - perfromance that I warned everyone about and the wheels start coming - Graves isn't talking to the media - we are starting to get laughed at by the media - actually more like pity - and well - now there's a kid by the name of Suggs who's getting as many sacks as he's played games. Someone who actually makes a difference on a Ravens club who has had a major overhaul of their championshiop defense and was actually mediocre last year. But Anquan sets another record also - too bad it does nothing to swing the way this game goes - but good job regardless Tolbert! Oh yeah, Emmitt's still getting the majority of the carriers, not gaining yards and Shipp is on the bench "learning".

Next come the abomination - DALLAS - There are so many reasons why this game was so embarassing but over course the biggest reason it's that way is because of the national attention this game got - This was the game where the unthinkable happened - it couldn't be possible right? Never a chance in hell right? Wrong - this was the game THE CARDINALS TURNED EMMIT SMITH INTO A LOSER - yNow that's pretty harsh - but that is what everyone thinks. It's really sad - watching fox and espn and cnn and local news feeling so sorry for Emmitt - they don't feel sorry for the team - they hate the team and now I really know why - They have killed Emmitt Smith - no one wants to see that - No one wanted to see Willie Mays falling dwon in centerfield and no one wants to watch this - It's not fair - but the Cardinals managed to do it - they made Emmitt Smith a loser - crying after the game - referring to the cowboys as "My Teamates" - But let's go on because I hate Emmitt and Don't want to waste any more space on him.

Let's talk about the actual game - Our one scroing drive was 26 yards - 26 yards! Again we held to under 170 yards of toal offense - we are drilled by the cowboys AND we give up back to back safeties?! Are you kidding me?

And what is done about it? Nothing. No messages need to be sent right - by bascially not taking action against any type of head coach the ownership continues to tell it's coaches that they are not accountable for anything that happens and I think I know why - this team is going to be horrid regardless and by thinking Bidwillian - well- if we do make a statement about not accepting this type of drek by firing SOMEONE - well then we will be paying them for doing nothing - So make a statement about your passion for winning and denial of anything but this best or save money and look like losers? Well we'll see what happens here - but someone should have been held responsible already.

So there we have it - on our way to worst the season in NFL history - now we may win 3 games and we may not tie the record for most losses in a season - but for a myriad of reasons - this will be a team laughed at once all is said and done - Laughed at during Free Agency, laughed at during the draft, laughed at at June 1st cuts, laughed at as the season started and now hated and pitied.

Now if you've read this so far - you're probably asking yourself - WHAT'S THE POINT? Well - we will have to get a new coach at the end of this season and that is the biggest decision a franchise to make - and the person making that decision is driectly or indirectly responsible for everything that has made this the worst season in memory - That person does not deserve a second chance - when his second chance is going to revolve arounda coaching decision that will have ramifications for half a decade. If this season goes as I fear and know it will - I will be sick to my stomach if Graves gets to stay on and a pick our new coach - although if he consults with Tyke Tolbert, the I might just breathe a little easier.:thumbup:

So thank you Rod Graves -we you have done trully the unimagineable - you have took the Cardinals from being a bad team - to literally the laughingstock of the league - wait - I can't even say laughing stock when so many people have ill-will for what we've done to Emmitt (mind you - I think he dserves whatever is coming to him for being greedy and taking the bushels of cash instead of trying to play for a winner) - and the rest just pity us.

I'm going to take a few days off the board as I likely feel that I won't be the most popular person here - but what I'm talking about is important - no way in hell should someone who has screwed up so badly for this team and brought upon it the scorn and ridicule from the rest of the league and media that if faces right now should dictate how our Sundays are going to be for the next 5 years.

EDIT: Sorry about spelling and the grammar mistakes - that was just an impassioned rant written in the wee hours, coming off editing for nine hours straight and taking some relief out on my keyboard.
 
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I understand what you are saying, and agree with most of it, but I don't see how this year is significantly different than any other. What have we ever done, than watch this team lose, and then come up with imaginative dreams about why "this year will be different." I'd have to say I enjoy Harry's thoughts because of their more positive nature, but I view your scenario as more likely. It is very difficult to be a Cardinals fan, but don't be so myopic, same story, different characters, except for the lead....Don't be so down, we are Cardinals fans, it's not just being a fan, it's a way of life. Read quote in profile....
 

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Thanks for posting what I've been thinking the last few days, er, months. I've been just too damn disgusted to post these thoughts myself.
 

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Cheese, you make some very good points. Actually a whole lot of points, I had to take breaks to get through it.

So what do you feel is needed to change the direction this team is going in?

Please forget the next draft and FA pickups. What can be done NOW to give the players and and the fans hope.

I still feel a coaching change now is the statement needed. If we wait till the end of the season we have to compete with other teams for the best coaches available. It also shows the players that the play is unacceptable. I personally don't think they are all that jacked up with the play calling and schemes now. Hopefully they see it as a positive also.

I would also hope that a proven coach (Jimmy) will see this move like this team really means it this time. Fire a coach in mid season? The Cardinals mean business.....finally!

It's a fresh start for the players.....those that hate losing and feel confident in their play. Weed out the rest. Get good players interested in coming here and gets the press off our backs.

I don't see us all of a sudden turning this thing around now. Throw in the towel and lets start over. Only this time maybe just maybe, there is real hope.

BWTH, it will never happen. Will it?
 

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Just think if we didn't get Boldin.There would be no reason to watch the team at all.At least in years past we had some talent that we could hope would jell and put a winning streak together or challenge for a wild card.This year,the team is devoid of any talent,coaching,or front office management.I agree that this is, by far,the worst Cards team i have seen. The thing i don't get is how come so many of us fans on the outside looking in can see it but the front office and coaching staff can't.Graves comes out and says they have turned the corner.That shows a level of incompetence i didn't think even he could sink to.
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef
Then came free agency. There was the failure to get any compensation for David Boston and the even more mind-numbing decision to not even try to get that compensation. The media mocked us - good for potential free agents in the future - right?

I think it's been pretty much established that had we tagged Boston he would be on our roster robbing us of whatever the average of the top 5 WRs in the league make as no team would give up anything for Boston. I am glad he is SDs problem. Let him have his 2 or 3 good but losing games a year for someone else.

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Week 3 - God smiled on us. This game was nothing more than a lfat out ridiculous fluke that we only won because Green Bay was exhausted and had their recievers completely banged up. We were one play away from being 0-3 - but it was respite and hey now we can buyild on something. Meanwhile, our only free agent to pay off any dividends at this point was Dexter Jackson - Emmitt had yet to rush over 65 yards and a draft that has done nothing (even with allof Anquan's yards) to make either the defense or the offense better.
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Actually this was a solid win. We played well on offense and adequate on defense. Green Bay was exhausted because we wore them down over the course of the game! We didn't win off of some fluke of 12 turnovers. We beat them straight up. Also to state that we were 1 play away from a loss is a lie. We were at least 2 away from a loss or tie.

Sure we play like dog crap for 4 out 5 weeks but week 3 we were an average football team. If we played every week like we did on that sunday I would be a much happier fan then I am now.

Cardinal Mike!!
 

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i agree. From over here in the UK, it's never felt so bad. I really cant see us winning another game this season.

SOmeone made the point that if Mac is a motivator, then get 2 quality coordinators in under him. i like that idea.

Other thought is to get coughlin in or someone who's got the gravitas to raise this titanic.
 

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At the start of the season I would have tried to argue with you, Cheese. I would have said the Cards have improved the depth and only needed only two or three play makers to become contenders. After the Rams I had changed my view to be maybe they need 4-5 play makers. Now after seeing the defense get manhandled and outcoached two weeks in a row, seeing the offense get slapped around like red-headed step children...
Can't really argue with you at all anymore.

The only good news is, with the lack of respect the Cardinals will get, teams will not bother to game plan for them. So Q will probably set almost all the rookie recieving records this season.
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef
But my God - we are absolutely witnessing something that I don't think anyone - even the darksiders - could have been adeqautely prepared for - This is going to be the worst NFL season in NFL history for any team. Now you may think I'm jumping the gun here - but hear me out.

It dates back to the offseason - First - no one was held accoutnable for our failure last year except our offensive coordinator - a guy ho had to deal with more injuries than anyone I can ever remember. Sure he deserved the axe even though the year beofre he actually had this offense looking somewhat respectable - but he wasn't one of Mac's guys from the old days. No those guys got a free pass - apparently - consistently giving up 30 plus points a game is okay in Mac's book - hell - our guys who are out of camp - "are missing some damn fine tuting coaching right now" - right Mac?

And then there was the hiring of an offensive coordinator - well - it looks like Jerry Sullivan might get lucky and get out of here - well, we can't let our only good ocach leave the team - why not promote him to OC after interviewing the sorriest sack of potential OC's I can ever remember. There was a problem - Suly didn't even want to be the OC and had to be talked into and has gone on record that after this stint is done, he will probably go back to being a receiver's coach - I wonder what he's thinking now?

Then, player personell decision started - We resigned Marcel Shipp - great move! This guy is finally gonn a be that back we've all been waiting for -the back who makes the rest of the offense atcually run smoothly. Next came McKinnon, Wakefield and Davis - not a one should be on an NFL roster - and are of course starters on ours. Well - okay depth signings, we hope - like way down on the dpeth chart because while Mac's got a big heart, the body just ain't willing anymore and as far as the other two are concerend, well I think Mean Joe Greene has taught them as much as they had talent - bothing bothing on that end.

Then came free agency. There was the failure to get any compensation for David Boston and the even more mind-numbing decision to not even try to get that compensation. The media mocked us - good for potential free agents in the future - right?

Next - we have free agency pickups - where we completely destory the good we ad done with Marcel and make the horrible decision to bring in Emmitt Smith as the most shameful attempt at a PR move as I have ever seen - everyone knew it then, everyone certainly is laughing now as not only wasn't there a boost in ticket sales - but we opened the season with the worst opening crowd in team history - not to mention this weekend's game - but I'll save that for later. But gain - we are mocked and ridiculed by everyone.

Next came whiffing on the players we need most to sign and the luck of ligthing that hit Kordell Stewart right before he was about decide to take Rod Graves offer to be our starting QB - we dodged a bullet there - but man - I guess with our Cards it better to be lucky than good (of course this group of people right now wouldn't know good if it hit them in the face, so they just have to pray to be lucky).

We signed a few nice complimentary guys, decided to move our best offensive linemen to C because it was cheap to just move guys around rather than pay an actual center. So free agency ended and we still had a glaring problem at D-Line - a problem for years and we still are competent to even do anything here.

So - we whiffed on coaching decisions for the whole and on free agency - there's always the draft . . .

ESPN laughing at us - Calvin Pace (who has zero sacks and hasn't come close to making one play in this league yet) and Bryant Johnson? Terrel Suggs, Lefty - a QB and a DE - two things this club has lacked for years - but hey e don't want those guys and actually we get swindled by the Saints. We get Anquan because Tolbert has to out talk everyone else in the room - good thing Graves was probably drunk from Cradinal Kool-aid at the point and apprently wasn't involved - I mean how could he be - it was a great move. Bottom line is the draft came and went and once again we were laughed at by everyone again - another time for us to shine for potential head coaches and next year's free agents.

Then we come to the dead period, sitting on 14 million dollars in cap room - but wait till June 1st Graves said - okayu - we wait til June 1st and it came and went and so did the summer, but the cap space was still there - how come we weren't trying to improve the "BELLY" of the team - apparently Graves thought he had completely done so and his theories would prove correct - just wait till you see us play. Hey, we have our starting DE go down with an ACL - but we don't need to bring in another DL - right? No then we'd have to cut someone like Bryan Young or some other poor schmoe who likely couldn't make an arena squad.

Both picks come in by mid-first week of camp - mind you not before camp - but still a change somewhat - at least they were just missing days instead of months - right? Well, one of those draft picks makes national news by getting taken to the hospital for beibg too drunk - ugh - okay - he's young and it's okay - but it still looks bad nonetheless.

Then we have our 4-0 preseason - YAHOO! Mac thinks it's important to win preseason games - well of course he does - he doesn't know what it's like to be a winner and he'll take 'em anyway he can get 'em. Well optimism runs high and then the season begins . . .

And what happens we get shellacked by the LIONS in the second half - outscored 28-3 - the Lions - the worst team in the league for the last two years. Okay - first game abberration.

Game 2 - The most pathetic performance I have ever seen 38-0. The game was over on the first play - I knew it everyone on the sidelines knew it and everyone in that baking hot tsadium knew it. Of course Mac won't tolerate losses like these.

Something is really starting to stink as players from other teams start talking about knowing our calls and plays - really distubring news - but hey this can't be true - our coaches can't be this stupid - right? Phhuuuleeze!

Week 3 - God smiled on us. This game was nothing more than a lfat out ridiculous fluke that we only won because Green Bay was exhausted and had their recievers completely banged up. We were one play away from being 0-3 - but it was respite and hey now we can buyild on something. Meanwhile, our only free agent to pay off any dividends at this point was Dexter Jackson - Emmitt had yet to rush over 65 yards and a draft that has done nothing (even with allof Anquan's yards) to make either the defense or the offense better.

Week 4 - now it's starting to get real ugly - we come out and get manhandled by a team who doesn't even have it's starting QB or all-star Running Back. Of course we were the typcial - NOW THE RAMS ARE BACK - perfromance that I warned everyone about and the wheels start coming - Graves isn't talking to the media - we are starting to get laughed at by the media - actually more like pity - and well - now there's a kid by the name of Suggs who's getting as many sacks as he's played games. Someone who actually makes a difference on a Ravens club who has had a major overhaul of their championshiop defense and was actually mediocre last year. But Anquan sets another record also - too bad it does nothing to swing the way this game goes - but good job regardless Tolbert! Oh yeah, Emmitt's still getting the majority of the carriers, not gaining yards and Shipp is on the bench "learning".

Next come the abomination - DALLAS - There are so many reasons why this game was so embarassing but over course the biggest reason it's that way is because of the national attention this game got - This was the game where the unthinkable happened - it couldn't be possible right? Never a chance in hell right? Wrong - this was the game THE CARDINALS TURNED EMMIT SMITH INTO A LOSER - yNow that's pretty harsh - but that is what everyone thinks. It's really sad - watching fox and espn and cnn and local news feeling so sorry for Emmitt - they don't feel sorry for the team - they hate the team and now I really know why - They have killed Emmitt Smith - no one wants to see that - No one wanted to see Willie Mays falling dwon in centerfield and no one wants to watch this - It's not fair - but the Cardinals managed to do it - they made Emmitt Smith a loser - crying after the game - referring to the cowboys as "My Teamates" - But let's go on because I hate Emmitt and Don't want to waste any more space on him.

Let's talk about the actual game - Our one scroing drive was 26 yards - 26 yards! Again we held to under 170 yards of toal offense - we are drilled by the cowboys AND we give up back to back safeties?! Are you kidding me?

And what is done about it? Nothing. No messages need to be sent right - by bascially not taking action against any type of head coach the ownership continues to tell it's coaches that they are not accountable for anything that happens and I think I know why - this team is going to be horrid regardless and by thinking Bidwillian - well- if we do make a statement about not accepting this type of drek by firing SOMEONE - well then we will be paying them for doing nothing - So make a statement about your passion for winning and denial of anything but this best or save money and look like losers? Well we'll see what happens here - but someone should have been held responsible already.

So there we have it - on our way to worst the season in NFL history - now we may win 3 games and we may not tie the record for most losses in a season - but for a myriad of reasons - this will be a team laughed at once all is said and done - Laughed at during Free Agency, laughed at during the draft, laughed at at June 1st cuts, laughed at as the season started and now hated and pitied.

Now if you've read this so far - you're probably asking yourself - WHAT'S THE POINT? Well - we will have to get a new coach at the end of this season and that is the biggest decision a franchise to make - and the person making that decision is driectly or indirectly responsible for everything that has made this the worst season in memory - That person does not deserve a second chance - when his second chance is going to revolve arounda coaching decision that will have ramifications for half a decade. If this season goes as I fear and know it will - I will be sick to my stomach if Graves gets to stay on and a pick our new coach - although if he consults with Tyke Tolbert, the I might just breathe a little easier.:thumbup:

So thank you Rod Graves -we you have done trully the unimagineable - you have took the Cardinals from being a bad team - to literally the laughingstock of the league - wait - I can't even say laughing stock when so many people have ill-will for what we've done to Emmitt (mind you - I think he dserves whatever is coming to him for being greedy and taking the bushels of cash instead of trying to play for a winner) - and the rest just pity us.

I'm going to take a few days off the board as I likely feel that I won't be the most popular person here - but what I'm talking about is important - no way in hell should someone who has screwed up so badly for this team and brought upon it the scorn and ridicule from the rest of the league and media that if faces right now should dictate how our Sundays are going to be for the next 5 years.

EDIT: Sorry about spelling and the grammar mistakes - that was just an impassioned rant written in the wee hours, coming off editing for nine hours straight and taking some relief out on my keyboard.

Thanks for holding your tongue. Must be the longest one known to man... :D
 

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1: displaying life size Cardinals magnetic decal upside down on tailgate of truck
2: peeled smile off Jack in the Box Cardinals antenna ball
3: wearing no Cardinals gear
4: going to Santa Barbara this weekend
 

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Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

Originally posted by CardinalMike
I think it's been pretty much established that had we tagged Boston he would be on our roster robbing us of whatever the average of the top 5 WRs in the league make as no team would give up anything for Boston. I am glad he is SDs problem. Let him have his 2 or 3 good but losing games a year for someone else.

Sorry Mike, but this is presumptuous at best, completely wrong at worst. This has NOT been established. At any time, the Cards could have withdrawn the franchise tag from Boston, meaning if no one wanted to trade anything for him, we could have let him go anyway. The Cards, and the Kool-Aiders WANTED everyone to think this, but it simply isn't true.

It might not have been polite to Boston, but who the hell cares? This is sports, and we play to win, not to be nice to players we want rid of. What would have been wrong with tagging him and trying to trade him? I'm sure we could have gotten a 3rd rounder for him. Positive. Even if we couldn't get a 7th rounder for him, though, we could have removed the tag and let them walk. Where is the harm in that?

So, how has it been 'established' we would have had to eat a top-5 receivers contract if we'd franchised him?
 

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Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

Originally posted by CardinalMike
Actually (the Green Bay game) was a solid win. We played well on offense and adequate on defense. Green Bay was exhausted because we wore them down over the course of the game! We didn't win off of some fluke of 12 turnovers. We beat them straight up. Also to state that we were 1 play away from a loss is a lie. We were at least 2 away from a loss or tie.

Mike:

The win over Green Bay was a fluke. The Packers wilted in record-breaking heat, with their WR corps in the same kind of injury-based disarray that the Cardinals were in last season. After the game, Mike Sherman said that he would have gone for two if they'd scored at the end, rather than subjecting his players to OT, out of concern for their health.

I'm not big on comparative scores, but one measure of the gap between these teams came in this week's Green Bay-Seattle game, when the Packers humiliated a good Seahawks team that had embarrassed the Cards 38-0.

After five weeks, the Cards have lost four blowouts by an average of 24 points, and won one home game by a single score, saved by an endzone interception. This team is mostly playing terrible football, and they're lucky not to be 0-5.

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andikrist- good job man, do what you can. I love the idea of taking the smile off the jack ball. Stellar!

Beef- it's great you got a chance to get this off your chest. But...

It's early people. I know, I know, I said 2-14 at the beginning of the season, I was peeved about the draft etc.

But let's look for some positives. We're 1-4. 4 losses is only half of the total losses we can have and end up at .500. The BEST we can do now, is 12-4. That's true.

Last year, the faiders went 4-0, then 0-4, and ended up in the Super Bowl. All we're asking for out here is 8-8. Is that too much to ask?

Impossible for us to end up 8-8 you say?

I'll give you a hairbrained speculative scenario that would change our outlook for the remainder of the season.

This team, the one that's been the youngest for three years, wasn't too excited about a has been superstar from the most hated rival, coming in here and taking Marcell's job. They thought TJ was finally out of Marcell's way, and now this? Who in the heck do you think runs this team? The PLAYERS DO.

The players decided the diamond would have to do it on his own, and of course, that was never going to happen. The diamond had already given up on his screwed up idea of padding his yards here, and the humiliation he suffered in Irving tipped the scales in his head to, how can I get out of this. That's what he's doing. The diamond never bought a place here, never moved his family here, left early without his teammates so he could spend more time at "home," and continually made references to the cowpigs as "his teammates."

This is a story of a true NFL superstar, one that was so incensed that he would not be allowed to leave on his terms, he made decisions out of spite, bad decisions, that came to light after he cooled down, and his breakdown on TV was the moment he decided to quit.

It was our fault that "some in the orginization wanted Emmitt here to sell tickets."--Rod Graves

Now the players have Marcell back. The blocks get much better. We get back control of the clock. Our defense has more wind late in the game. Somehow, we win 7 of the next 12 games, and finish 8-8.

Nah...that will never happen.
 

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Originally posted by Lex
Somehow, we win 7 of the next 12 games, and finish 8-8.
Nah...that will never happen.

Lex:

Mostly, because there are only 11 games left. The Cardinals would have to win 7 out of 11 to finish 8-8.

And no, it probably won't happen.

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A back can make his linemen look better and vice/versa.So it'll be interesting to see if the running game all of a sudden appears when Emmitt is out.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

Originally posted by Wild Card
Mike:

The win over Green Bay was a fluke.

BS BS BS.

Both teams had to play in the same conditions.

If you'd have gone to the game, you'd have seen the play on the field.

The Cardinals flat out beat the Packers.

Coming into the game the Cards were ranked higher offensively than the Pack also, but were worse record-wise mostly due to their costly turnovers.

Go follow your Dolphins!!

Go Cards!!!
 

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Cheesbeef! WHAT a RANT!

But I am fresh out of coolaid.:barf:, so I am forced to agree.

I have been a season ticket holder since '88, and I can tell you, I have NEVER felt so TAKEN.:stupid:

I am a DIE-HARD Cardinal Fan, but WHY MUST I DIE HARD EVERY SEASON!:bang:

Trout slaps all around; starting with me.

:trout: :trout: :trout: :trout:
 

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Originally posted by Lex
andikrist- good job man, do what you can. I love the idea of taking the smile off the jack ball. Stellar!

Funny idea, I turned the smile upside down...
 

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Re: Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

Originally posted by Stout
Sorry Mike, but this is presumptuous at best, completely wrong at worst. This has NOT been established. At any time, the Cards could have withdrawn the franchise tag from Boston, meaning if no one wanted to trade anything for him, we could have let him go anyway. The Cards, and the Kool-Aiders WANTED everyone to think this, but it simply isn't true.

It might not have been polite to Boston, but who the hell cares? This is sports, and we play to win, not to be nice to players we want rid of. What would have been wrong with tagging him and trying to trade him? I'm sure we could have gotten a 3rd rounder for him. Positive. Even if we couldn't get a 7th rounder for him, though, we could have removed the tag and let them walk. Where is the harm in that?

So, how has it been 'established' we would have had to eat a top-5 receivers contract if we'd franchised him?

Yep and people fail to realize this.
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef

Next come the abomination - DALLAS - There are so many reasons why this game was so embarassing but over course the biggest reason it's that way is because of the national attention this game got - This was the game where the unthinkable happened - it couldn't be possible right? Never a chance in hell right? Wrong - this was the game THE CARDINALS TURNED EMMIT SMITH INTO A LOSER - yNow that's pretty harsh - but that is what everyone thinks. It's really sad - watching fox and espn and cnn and local news feeling so sorry for Emmitt - they don't feel sorry for the team - they hate the team and now I really know why - They have killed Emmitt Smith - no one wants to see that - No one wanted to see Willie Mays falling dwon in centerfield and no one wants to watch this - It's not fair - but the Cardinals managed to do it - they made Emmitt Smith a loser - crying after the game - referring to the cowboys as "My Teamates" - But let's go on because I hate Emmitt and Don't want to waste any more space on him.


You forgot to add that the sameday, we watched Boston and Leftwich have killer games, 2 players that could have easily been Cardinals.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

Originally posted by Stout
At any time, the Cards could have withdrawn the franchise tag from Boston, meaning if no one wanted to trade anything for him, we could have let him go anyway. The Cards, and the Kool-Aiders WANTED everyone to think this, but it simply isn't true.

This is the most idiotic thing I've heard yet. We are a team who has to OVERPAY and BEG quality free agents to sign with us. What kind of message would it send if we just absolutely screwed a guy by holding the tag on him until the deadline to sign him? I fail to see how that would do anything but cast an even GREATER negative stigma to this teams pathetic track record.

There are many other things you can fault Graves for but, imo, this is not one of them.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

Originally posted by CardinalMike
This is the most idiotic thing I've heard yet. We are a team who has to OVERPAY and BEG quality free agents to sign with us. What kind of message would it send if we just absolutely screwed a guy by holding the tag on him until the deadline to sign him? I fail to see how that would do anything but cast an even GREATER negative stigma to this teams pathetic track record.

There are many other things you can fault Graves for but, imo, this is not one of them.

Cardinal Mike!!

I don't agree at all, the Cards are known for doing terrible things all the time, Just testing what they could get for Boston would be smart not idiotic. The Idiotic thing they did was letting the guy walk for nothing, that was just ********:mad:
 

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Cheese,

Your viewpoint would be far more palatable if you didn't feel it necessary in to inject all the nasty, snide comments.

You are as entitled to your opinion as anybody but do you have to be so insulting to others in the process of expressing it ?

For example

It's quite possible to express your opinion that you don't believe RG should be the GM without comments like

"We get Anquan because Tolbert has to out talk everyone else in the room - good thing Graves was probably drunk from Cradinal Kool-aid at the point and apprently wasn't involved - I mean how could he be - it was a great move."

You make this (and other) statement like you know what happened and you don't. These type of nasty little comments are all through your post and it gets old after a while.

This is not a flame (re: our recent conversation), I'm not pissed but is it possible for you to post without insulting somebody ?
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

Originally posted by DevonCardsFan
I don't agree at all, the Cards are known for doing terrible things all the time, Just testing what they could get for Boston would be smart not idiotic. The Idiotic thing they did was letting the guy walk for nothing, that was just ********:mad:

Devon you remind me of a line in the great movie Animal House: What are you some kind of mowron? :D

Seriously though, how do you KNOW that we didn't test the waters to see what other teams would be willing to give?

Cardinal Mike!!
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Man - I've been holding my tongue

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D

Seriously though, how do you KNOW that we didn't test the waters to see what other teams would be willing to give?


uuuhhhh,let me think???

Maybe because they didn't tag him:rolleyes:


says Sarcastic sam.
 

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