Manny Pacquiao has agreed to terms for a Mayweather fight

[dreamcastrocks]

Mayweather is the first "great" boxer to put it "All" together, and never waiver. What I mean by "ALL" is:

- Incredible skill
- Superior instincts
- Superior speed
- Outside of the ring packaging and building of the "team"

When he left Arum 10-11 years ago, he assembled his own team - led by Ellerbee and others, who were absolutely perfect for him. They knew how to package Floyd in just the right way, including putting him in the ring with the most appropriate opposition...
I firmly believe the fight with Manny took place exactly when Floyd and his team wanted it to. They knew by waiting all these years and given Manny's style, Manny would wear down. And he did... This enabled Floyd to stick with his own style and easily defeat Manny.

I think there have been other greats that are on par with Floyd in terms of skill... Guys like Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali and others... But, these guys did not have the ability to stay devoted to a style that would ensure both boring fights, but longevity and wins... Floyd says "screw the fans and the media, I'm going to fight the best way I know how to win"... And he never, ever waivers...
I actually believe that he could've knocked out Manny Saturday night. It would've meant taking a few shots in return, but if Floyd wanted to, he could've engaged more often and more emphatically - and had he done so, I think Manny would've not have lasted 12 rounds...

Anyway, gotta give it to Mayweather... at a day and age when boxing is in clear decline, he pulls off the heist of the century by grabbing in excess of $100 Million, and barely taking a punch in return. Hell, he was still giving interviews and speaking to the media hours after the fight. Hearns, Hagler, Sugar Ray, Duran, Ali, Frazier, Lennox Lewis... after their respective "mega-fights", they could barely walk...

Absolutely. I think he will go down as a top 5 figher of all time.

The downside to it is that we probably saw our last megafight for the next 10 years. Maybe even ever. His brand has turned so many away from the sport. I like Mayweather and the way that he fights, but the public does not. They want to see challenging fights. They want to see knockouts. They want to see fighters not avoiding each other.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Absolutely. I think he will go down as a top 5 figher of all time.

The downside to it is that we probably saw our last megafight for the next 10 years. Maybe even ever. His brand has turned so many away from the sport. I like Mayweather and the way that he fights, but the public does not. They want to see challenging fights. They want to see knockouts. They want to see fighters not avoiding each other.

I totally appreciate and respect how Mayweather fights. I mean, at the end of the day it is the sport of Boxing, not MMA... The object is to hit and not be hit, and he does it as well as anyone ever has.
However, as a fan of the game, I also think he's done a lot to contribute to it's decline. Because his fights are so boring and actionless, people are turned off. But then again, given the amount of money he makes for his fights, he's done it all right...

Also agree that we won't see another "Super-Fight" for a long, long time... if ever. There are no other compelling story lines to create the required buzz.

 

[Russ Smith]

Mayweather is the first "great" boxer to put it "All" together, and never waiver. What I mean by "ALL" is:

- Incredible skill
- Superior instincts
- Superior speed
- Outside of the ring packaging and building of the "team"

When he left Arum 10-11 years ago, he assembled his own team - led by Ellerbee and others, who were absolutely perfect for him. They knew how to package Floyd in just the right way, including putting him in the ring with the most appropriate opposition...
I firmly believe the fight with Manny took place exactly when Floyd and his team wanted it to. They knew by waiting all these years and given Manny's style, Manny would wear down. And he did... This enabled Floyd to stick with his own style and easily defeat Manny.

I think there have been other greats that are on par with Floyd in terms of skill... Guys like Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Ali and others... But, these guys did not have the ability to stay devoted to a style that would ensure both boring fights, but longevity and wins... Floyd says "screw the fans and the media, I'm going to fight the best way I know how to win"... And he never, ever waivers...
I actually believe that he could've knocked out Manny Saturday night. It would've meant taking a few shots in return, but if Floyd wanted to, he could've engaged more often and more emphatically - and had he done so, I think Manny would've not have lasted 12 rounds...

Anyway, gotta give it to Mayweather... at a day and age when boxing is in clear decline, he pulls off the heist of the century by grabbing in excess of $100 Million, and barely taking a punch in return. Hell, he was still giving interviews and speaking to the media hours after the fight. Hearns, Hagler, Sugar Ray, Duran, Ali, Frazier, Lennox Lewis... after their respective "mega-fights", they could barely walk...

I'll date myself but Mayweather is to boxing what Chris Evert was to womens tennis. She won but it was incredibly boring, she was essentially a human wall that just returned every shot with almost no effort to make a passing shot. Eventually the opponent would screw up and Evert would win the point and win the match. Incredibly consistent, and incredibly boring.

Floyd is a master technician but he just refuses to go after people he just wants the decision. I don't think he's a big puncher but I think he can hit hard enough to have more knockouts than he does, he just chooses not to go after them.

Manny is 36 and now has 65 fights, Floyd is 38 and has 48 fights. Some of that can be explained by Manny's early career in the Philippines, he fought more often early on than Floyd. Some is Floyd's retirement after Hatton, nearly 2 years, but it's largely because in his prime Mayweather simply chose to fight less often and they were very careful about who they fought and when. They fought many of the same guys but Floyd was far less prolific in number of fights.

I think that and style means Manny takes much more punches and those is an older 36 and Floyd is a younger 38.

It's just a style thing, Floyd is a marvelous fighter, I just would like to see more aggression but the point is to win and he does that.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I totally appreciate and respect how Mayweather fights. I mean, at the end of the day it is the sport of Boxing, not MMA... The object is to hit and not be hit, and he does it as well as anyone ever has.
However, as a fan of the game, I also think he's done a lot to contribute to it's decline. Because his fights are so boring and actionless, people are turned off. But then again, given the amount of money he makes for his fights, he's done it all right...

Also agree that we won't see another "Super-Fight" for a long, long time... if ever. There are no other compelling story lines to create the required buzz.

Yep. Part of the problem is that Floyd hit his peak about 2-3 years later than a lot of the good fighters of the late 90s early 00s. He doesn't have the competition. More and more fighters are choosing MMA vs boxing.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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[Brian in Mesa]

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[Russ Smith]

Well if they lied about the shoulder they are taking it all the way. ESPN just announced that Pacquiao is having surgery for a torn right rotator cuff and will miss 9-12 months.

Which pretty much is what that boxing blog said that I saw posted on FB this morning so I guess that was real.

Talk about your bad luck, wait 6 years for a fight and then have to fight one handed.

 

[Ronin]

Well if they lied about the shoulder they are taking it all the way. ESPN just announced that Pacquiao is having surgery for a torn right rotator cuff and will miss 9-12 months.



Which pretty much is what that boxing blog said that I saw posted on FB this morning so I guess that was real.



Talk about your bad luck, wait 6 years for a fight and then have to fight one handed.

ESPN first take just reported that Floyd Mayweather is open to a rematch in a year from now against Manny.


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[Russ Smith]

ESPN first take just reported that Floyd Mayweather is open to a rematch in a year from now against Manny.


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I'm not sure I'd watch it, certainly wouldn't pay $100 for it.

I was fairly certain Floyd wasn't going to agree to a rematch after his comment was he should quit his excuses I had 2 hurt shoulders and both my hands were hurt but I didn't complain. I suspect Manny actually having surgery at the Jobe clinic was good enough for Floyd to realize he wasn't lying and there's another huge payday if he waits.

In a year Floyd will be 39, Manny will be 37 coming off shoulder surgery, not sure I'm really going to care by then.

I guess the only good thing is it doesn't make Manny look as bad now which is what they were saying on Mike and Mike this morning. Several people after arum mentioned the shoulder were essentially publicly calling them liars, so now at least we know the injury was real. But not sure if they handled it correctly although postponing that fight that close to the fight date would have been a huge ordeal.

 

[Ronin]

I'm not sure I'd watch it, certainly wouldn't pay $100 for it.

I was fairly certain Floyd wasn't going to agree to a rematch after his comment was he should quit his excuses I had 2 hurt shoulders and both my hands were hurt but I didn't complain. I suspect Manny actually having surgery at the Jobe clinic was good enough for Floyd to realize he wasn't lying and there's another huge payday if he waits.

In a year Floyd will be 39, Manny will be 37 coming off shoulder surgery, not sure I'm really going to care by then.

I guess the only good thing is it doesn't make Manny look as bad now which is what they were saying on Mike and Mike this morning. Several people after arum mentioned the shoulder were essentially publicly calling them liars, so now at least we know the injury was real. But not sure if they handled it correctly although postponing that fight that close to the fight date would have been a huge ordeal.

I think the only thing has me interested to see another fight, is to see if Mayweather can break Rocky M. undefeated record.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think the only thing has me interested to see another fight, is to see if Mayweather can break Rocky M. undefeated record.

Even that they were talking on ESPN yesterday about .Marciano was a pro for about 9 years, so he fought far more often and basically fought everyone there was and then retired. He debated coming back to fight when a couple of good fighters came up but decided he was too old.

Mayweather has been a pro for twice as long so he's fought half as often and has a rep for carefully picking and choosing who and when he fights. He has fought DeLahoya,Mosley etc, but in most cases he doesn't fight the big name guys until they're past their prime whether it's just the timing of when he arrived on the scene, or intentional who knows.

Of course the counter is look at who Marciano fought, he actually beat some guys who had 15 to 20 losses, I suspect in that respect Floyd fought far less "tomato cans".

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think the only thing has me interested to see another fight, is to see if Mayweather can break Rocky M. undefeated record.

A lot of people want to see him beat that record. To me that record is meaningless. Rocky was a heavyweight and Floyd has only fought as high as middleweight.

Furthermore there are boxers that have gone 100-0 or so before being defeated.

 

[Iceman]

Wonder what type of hype a rematch would get? I bet that even though people complained about how bad the fight was, they would watch it again. I know I would

 

[Dback Jon]

Will be there again?

 

[Iceman]

Will be there again?

Ha. That was so strange

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wonder what type of hype a rematch would get? I bet that even though people complained about how bad the fight was, they would watch it again. I know I would

I wouldnt. Most people wouldn't either unless they can provide proof of the shoulder injury. The fact that any rematch would be yet another year from now makes the fight less and less intriguing.

 

[Iceman]

I wouldnt. Most people wouldn't either unless they can provide proof of the shoulder injury. The fact that any rematch would be yet another year from now makes the fight less and less intriguing.

But..... don't you want to see how it ends up? With the criticism each fighter received, I can see them (at least Pac) going all in from the very start. And if Pac shoulder is fully recovered, it may be a completely different fight

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But..... don't you want to see how it ends up? With the criticism each fighter received, I can see them (at least Pac) going all in from the very start. And if Pac shoulder is fully recovered, it may be a completely different fight

Nope. Why would I want to watch the same thing happen? It won't be a close fight. I doubt it would have been close Pacquiao wasn't hurt. Furthermore, would you want to pay another $100 for the fight? I'm sure most of the public wouldn't. Do you think Floyd would want to fight again unless he made another 150M+? I don't.

 

[Iceman]

Nope. Why would I want to watch the same thing happen? It won't be a close fight. I doubt it would have been close Pacquiao wasn't hurt. Furthermore, would you want to pay another $100 for the fight? I'm sure most of the public wouldn't. Do you think Floyd would want to fight again unless he made another 150M+? I don't.

True, but I can see Floyd doing it to try and get to 50-0 with his other fight in September because it will become an ego thing for him

 

[Russ Smith]

I wouldnt. Most people wouldn't either unless they can provide proof of the shoulder injury. The fact that any rematch would be yet another year from now makes the fight less and less intriguing.

They've already provided proof of the shoulder injury unless you think otherwise?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

They've already provided proof of the shoulder injury unless you think otherwise?

It is VERY fishy one way or the other. Either he doesn't have the injury, (a little convinced) or his corner is stupid stating in the questionnaire Pacquiao didn't have any injury just so he could lose and collect his millions. (more convinced) Either way, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[Russ Smith]

It is VERY fishy one way or the other. Either he doesn't have the injury, (a little convinced) or his corner is stupid stating in the questionnaire Pacquiao didn't have any injury just so he could lose and collect his millions. (more convinced) Either way, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

I'm not a boxer but Golic said on Mike and Mike this morning he's not surprised at all. He said he just laughed when someone asked why they didn't check the box for shoulder injury, he said they already disclosed the pain meds and anti inflammatories he was on for the injury, and he said my experience is you're not going to say you're hurt on one of those because you either don't pay attention, or you don't want your opponent to know.

Now they're actually talking about him possibly facing perjury charges because he checked the no box. If they do that, they better file against Mayweather too since he's on tape saying he had two shoulder injuries and 2 hand injuries and just didn't bring them up like Manny did.

Roach said they knew he was hurt but he'd been able to deal with it in training and it was getting better so they thought with the shot he'd be fine for the fight since he was getting that shot for training. then they denied the shot because of that form, and in the 3rd round the shoulder cropped up again and he just fought with his left hand.

I wish he'd gone after Floyd harder absolutely, but if they're lying about the shoulder they've gone to extreme lengths and literally got the Jobe clinic(that's Frank Jobe the shoulder expert) involved in it.

I also suspect after waiting that long for the fight he didn't want to postpone because of an injury, especially one the doctors said would have required surgery regardless.

 

[Russ Smith]

2 Las Vegas residents filed a 5 million class action suit against Manny and his people claiming he intentionally didn't disclose the shoulder injury and that people who paid for tickets or PPV or bet on the fight were harmed as a result.

Top Rank's attorney called it a frivolous suit and said the documents clearly show he disclosed to USADA that he was taking to treat his shoulder, he passed a pre fight physical but reinjured it during the fight.

It is an interesting point, but at this point anybody that bets on boxing is crazy, so many bad decisions in big fights over recent years just too risky.

 

[sunsfan88]

Major props to MJ for stepping in and helping resolve a potentially ugly situation

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/clip-board/201505/michael-jordan-nba-chicago-bulls-basketball

 

[Russ Smith]

Major props to MJ for stepping in and helping resolve a potentially ugly situation

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/clip-board/201505/michael-jordan-nba-chicago-bulls-basketball

Too bad he didn't step in before the main event and stop that one too.