Marion a Pacer?

[wsupkid]

Pacers discussing a possible trade with Suns , yes Pollard is part of it .

But so are Shawn Marion and Ron Artest.

According to the often quoted "unnamed source ", Pacers and Suns discussing a MAJOR TRADE. Pacers would send Ron Artest, Scot Pollard and Fred Jones to Suns for Shawn Marion, Zarko Capbarkapa and Learnardo Barbosa.

Apparently this trade is in early stages , started out with Suns asking about Pollard . From there Artest and Marion were discussed.

Pacers wanting to acquire Dampier and so far being unable are trying to address a rebounding problem which Marion is far superior to Artest.

Not sure if the quote "source" is real , but makes for intresting thought. Salaries do actually match up . Even Artest/Pollard for Marion matches up.

 

[elindholm]

The Suns are giving up too much there. Take Barbosa out and it's more reasonable, I think.

I was very impressed with Artest in last season's playoffs.

One key question is whether Pollard has recovered fully from his injury in '02-'03.

 

[NJYAJ09]

Link?


the deal probably wont go down, barbosa is a very solid backup, and I think marions a better player then artest.

 

[iLLmatiC]

I dont like the deal...Barbosa has too much potential.

 

[elindholm]

Bleah, I didn't realize how bad Jones is. Don't want him, even if he is a dunk champion (sorry slinslin).

Marion for Artest and Pollard, just that. With Pollard's injury questions and Artest's attitude history, the Suns shouldn't have to give up any more than that.

 

[AmareFan]

horrible deal..what does anyone see in Pollard? give me a break.

 

[NJYAJ09]

assuming Q stays in La-La land, we should sign Dampier, then go over the cap to sign Vujanic.

 

[Town Drunk]

Anyone have a link? I've scanned the web and I havent found anything about this potential deal.

 

[elindholm]

assuming Q stays in La-La land, we should sign Dampier, then go over the cap to sign Vujanic.

I explained in the other thread why this won't work.

 

[NJYAJ09]

oh yeah punk? prove it.

 

[elindholm]

oh yeah punk? prove it.

Huh? Did you even read what I read? Just check out Larry Coon's CBA FAQ. There's a link through the front page of RealGM.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

RealGM.com

That is the only place Im hearing that deal.


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[F-Dog]

This is an idea that Pacers fans are pushing because they're looking to dump Ron Artest. Artest is a team cancer who makes himself into the focus on the court--i.e. exactly what the Suns are looking to avoid; put him on the same team with Amare and JJ and you'll be able to hear the team's future flushing away during games.


Pollard isn't worth taking unless the Suns are sending away Eisley's contract in return. The Suns aren't trading Barbosa, either.

 

[Ryanwb]

Pacers discussing a possible trade with Suns , yes Pollard is part of it .

But so are Shawn Marion and Ron Artest.

According to the often quoted "unnamed source ", Pacers and Suns discussing a MAJOR TRADE. Pacers would send Ron Artest, Scot Pollard and Fred Jones to Suns for Shawn Marion, Zarko Capbarkapa and Learnardo Barbosa.

Apparently this trade is in early stages , started out with Suns asking about Pollard . From there Artest and Marion were discussed.

Pacers wanting to acquire Dampier and so far being unable are trying to address a rebounding problem which Marion is far superior to Artest.

Not sure if the quote "source" is real , but makes for intresting thought. Salaries do actually match up . Even Artest/Pollard for Marion matches up.

This is an exact word for word copy of what was posted on the ESPN board.....

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/message?byThread=false&messageID=642290

 

[JS22]

As much as I hate the the trades that people here want to make with Marion, this is one that I MIGHT be able to stomach if the Suns bring in Q. This is a post from the ESPN board, and I think he has a good point:

I have no idea about attitude of Artest being a problem with the Colangelo's . But I DO KNOW both Artes and Marion are signed for 5 years.

Artest 5 yrs 35.8 million --- Marion 5 yrs 69 million.

You also must resign Stoudamire within that time frame plus you have Nash signed long term to big bucks.Are the Suns prepared to have 3 max or near max contracts???

The Pacers only have O'Neal signed at over 10 mil for anytime in the next 5 years , we also have no young star worthy of near max money.

Is Marion worth 33 million more than Artest over the next 5 years???? Its basicly an All Star for All Star trade with fillers thrown in. Pollard only cost 12 mil so , Suns have$ 21 million extra right there in deal.

Like I said early in trade talks but makes sense both for now and long term for both teams

 

[sly fly]

As much as I hate the the trades that people here want to make with Marion, this is one that I MIGHT be able to stomach if the Suns bring in Q. This is a post from the ESPN board, and I think he has a good point:

Barbosa's not going anywhere.

Artest is an overrated defender.

Pacers better come up with something better than that.

BTW, nice find ryan. Makes you wonder how all these internet trades get started.

 

[Espo]

Do we really need these dramatic of changes? I don't know if this deal makes the Suns that much better but most of this seems to hinge on Q and the clips. Artest is a bit of a head case and who knows how he would mesh with our core of players.

 

[fordronken]

I think Artest would be a better fit in Phoenix than Indianna. It doesn't mean I like the trade, but I like having another guy who gets fired up to pair with Amare. Just gets everyone's energy up. If you pair him with Reggie Miller and Jermaine O'Neal, he just looks like the crazy guy. If two guys get pumped up, it's intimidating.

 

[moviebuff316]

IMO I Would not trade anyone. I would either get richardson or dampier. Lets Start the season and see how everyone fits on the team before trading Marion away.. I think the style of offense will fit Marion and he will have a pretty good year.

 

[George O'Brien]

This sounds too much like the rumored deal with the Timberwolves sending Wally and the Kandiman to Phoenix of Marion and someone else (my memory is not what it used to be, or at least I think it was ). The rumor went no where because it was a classice "let's dump guys we don't like" trade.

Pollard did not play well last year and has two years on his contract. Nobody is going to give up quality players for him at this point.

Fred Jones is a super athlete but a particularly good basketball player.

Artest makes Sheed Wallace appear to be the model of normalcy and calm demeanor. There are extremely good reasons why the Pacers are shopping him in spite of having a very good year.

 

[Alan]

This is an exact word for word copy of what was posted on the ESPN board.....

Well, I sure hope they are the same person. Plagiarism would be a no-no on the Internet as well.

 

[Errntknght]

Making the deal Marion for Artest & Pollard would hinge on the state of the Scot's health but I'd much rather have Artest on the team than Marion. We're badly in need of defense and Ron supplies that in spades. Hopefully, some of his 'attitude' would rub on off on the rest of our guys. It's true he tries to do too much on the offensive end at times but, at least, he does just what we often wish Shawn would do - take it strong to the bucket.

 

[elindholm]

You also must resign Stoudamire within that time frame plus you have Nash signed long term to big bucks.Are the Suns prepared to have 3 max or near max contracts???

Of course. Just a year ago they had four, with only one (Gugliotta's) expiring in the immediate future.

 

[George O'Brien]

Making the deal Marion for Artest & Pollard would hinge on the state of the Scot's health but I'd much rather have Artest on the team than Marion. We're badly in need of defense and Ron supplies that in spades. Hopefully, some of his 'attitude' would rub on off on the rest of our guys. It's true he tries to do too much on the offensive end at times but, at least, he does just what we often wish Shawn would do - take it strong to the bucket.

In terms of talent, I might take Artest over Marion. But Marion is not a ticking time bomb nor is he a locker room disaster. Do you honestly think the reason the Pacers are shopping Artest is because they don't know he is talented? It's because they're fed up with him, even after a season when he was relatively under control.

 

[Dan H]

In terms of talent, I might take Artest over Marion. But Marion is not a ticking time bomb nor is he a locker room disaster. Do you honestly think the reason the Pacers are shopping Artest is because they don't know he is talented? It's because they're fed up with him, even after a season when he was relatively under control.

Relatively under control is a slight stretch. There were quite a few unreported issues with Ron-Ron that have pretty much done Larry Bird's patience in.