Marion, JJ, Jake and #7 for TMac

[crdnl85]

*The Phoenix Suns are rumored to be offering forward Shawn Marion, swingman Joe Johnson, center Jake Voskuhl and their first-round draft pick to the Orlando Magic for guard Tracy McGrady.*

That's was in the Chicago Suntimes.

Depending on what we can do to unload White or Eisley in the expansion draft, what out pick turns out to be in the lottery...
I might do that especially if we have the chance to sign Kobe still.
Maybe we could get the Magic's pair of early second round picks too.

I have been a diehard Suns fan for 36 years,but if they bring Kobe Bryant here i am done with them .

 

[Chaplin]

I have been a diehard Suns fan for 36 years,but if they bring Kobe Bryant here i am done with them .

If that's all it takes, perhaps you're not as big a fan as you thought.

 

[PhxGametime]

Tracy McGrady averages 8 games missed a year and actually missed more last year than Camby and could miss more years to come. Getting McGrady costs Suns though - Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, Lottery Pick, and Jake Voskuhl (3 which could be starters). With only 8 million to spend. I really do like McGrady but I'm high on draft unlike a few members on this board. I've been high on JJ and SM since they became Suns - add Voskuhl and not sure deal is worth it.

I've already mentioned about Kobe Bryant - I'm in group that don't believe he will join Suns and not sure about baggage that comes with signing Kobe.

In draft:

Okafor, Howard, Iguodala, Deng, Biedrins, Harris, and Gordon - all players I have a high grade for. Add the players that could drop these players (Shaun Livingston's etc).

I am trying to watch some Mark Blount games - could be another decent pick-up. I wouldn't be disappointed with McGrady (favorite and also have many Rookie Cards) but I do believe adding to team Suns could be contender.

 

[George O'Brien]

I would love to get McGrady, but I don't see it happening. The problem is that T-Mac is an established super star and Orlando will need an elite player in return to make it worth their while. (Steve Francis and anybody not name Yao from Houston are the logical trade partner).

Here is a piece from the Orlando Papers:

Orlando Sentinel: T-Mac watch

The talk last month about trading Tracy McGrady if he doesn't assure the Magic he will re-sign after becoming a free agent in 2005 really won't intensify until later this summer -- after the draft and the free-agent signings.

But that hasn't kept the initial inquiries and rumors from flying and floating. They are a good indication, though, that Magic never will get equal value if they made the awful decision to trade him.

Phoenix, for example, is ready to send Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson and Jake Voskuhl to Orlando for McGrady. There is talk about an Al Harrington/Jonathan Bender combination for McGrady. Houston would give up an unhappy Steve Francis (right) and just about anyone else on the roster except Yao Ming for McGrady.

But 20 good players don't add up in value to one great one in the NBA. It's a game won by superstars, not wannabes.

 

[elindholm]

Marion is better than Francis.

 

[George O'Brien]

Marion is better than Francis.

Francis is a lot like Marbury. Up to this past season, he averaged over 20 ppg and 6.1 assists per game while shooting 43.1%. This season his numbers are way down but not horrible.

PPG 16.6
RPG 5.5
APG 6.2
SPG 1.76
BPG .44
FG% .403
FT% .775
3P% .292
MPG 40.4

But statistically you are right. Marion had a better year:

PPG 19.0
RPG 9.3
APG 2.7
SPG 2.11
BPG 1.32
FG% .440
FT% .851
3P% .340
MPG 40.7

 

[Chaplin]

Anyone with any basketball sense doesn't need statistics to say that Marion is better than Francis. Steve Francis may well be the most overrated player in the NBA right now, having taken the crown from Vince Carter.

 

[Evil Ash]

I would love to get McGrady, but I don't see it happening. The problem is that T-Mac is an established super star and Orlando will need an elite player in return to make it worth their while. (Steve Francis and anybody not name Yao from Houston are the logical trade partner).

The problem with this theory is it depends on where HE wants to go. Remember just because he gets traded to a team does not mean he signs an extension. So if goes to a team he doesn't like, he will only stay 1 year so that he could use his option and get out of there.

In truth, this is quite a bit like a sign-and-trade deal due to the power McGrady will have as it comes to where he will wind up because most teams won't trade for him unless they get assurances from his agent that they can re-sign him

 

[cly2tw]

wrong. shawn marion cannot get his own shot much less create for others. mcgrady can get his own shot any time he wishes, even against double teams. he also hands out close to 6 assists per game, which means he is getting better shots for his teammates too.

there is a chasm of talent between marion (who i very much like as a role player) and mcgrady (who is undeniably a franchise player).

Agree! If all the current NBA players with their current contracts were to be picked in an hypothetical "reorganization" draft by the 30 teams, Mcgrady will be picked no later than #7, after Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe, and maybe LeBron and Yao. Amare may get picked around #15 -20. JJ maybe gone by 60-80. Marion, due to his huge contract for a role player, may go by #80-100, after SFs like Peja, Artest, Harpring, Al Harrington, Miles, or maybe even Jim Jackson, Butler, Bruce Bowen. He is a bone fide complementary player making too much money!

 

[elindholm]

Mcgrady will be picked no later than #7, after Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe, and maybe LeBron and Yao. Amare may get picked around #15 -20.

Interesting speculation. I'm not so sure Shaquille O'Neal would be taken so high. His contract is murder and he's unlikely to play more than another couple of years.

Would McGrady be taken before Stoudemire? Probably, but not necessarily. Stoudemire's stock as an up-and-coming interior star is pretty darn high across the league.

In any case I think Stoudemire would be taken in the top 10.

 

[cly2tw]

I was initially thinking of Amare in top 10. But next to the top 7 I listed, there are still quite some very good players left like J. O'Neil, Dirk, Marbury, Iverson, Baron Davis, Pierce, Ben Wallace, Gasol, Randolf,... I'd take Amare probably #9 after J. ON, but it's still a lot of risk. As to Shaq, he is simply too dominant. The top 4 are difficult to separate from one another.

In any case, if we add Kobe and McGrady, we'd have three of the top 10 picks on one team. That'd be quite some feat.

 

[George O'Brien]

Mcgrady will be picked no later than #7, after Shaq, Duncan, KG, Kobe, and maybe LeBron and Yao. Amare may get picked around #15 -20.

Interesting speculation. I'm not so sure Shaquille O'Neal would be taken so high. His contract is murder and he's unlikely to play more than another couple of years.

Would McGrady be taken before Stoudemire? Probably, but not necessarily. Stoudemire's stock as an up-and-coming interior star is pretty darn high across the league.

In any case I think Stoudemire would be taken in the top 10.

It is so hard to win a championship without a star big man that I'm sure Amare would be taken very early. He is not as developed as KG and Duncan, but he is younger and a lot less expensive.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Tracy McGrady averages 8 games missed a year and actually missed more last year than Camby and could miss more years to come.

This last season was a fluke. He sat out like the last month of the season, becauyse quite frankly, it was the best decision. If the Magic wanted to win, he would have been out there. If they had been in the playoff hunt, he would have been out there.

If McGrady is playing for a competitive team, I don't think he misses more than 5 games a year, and still logs heavy minutes. Bad backs suck, but they do not keep you out of games like knee and ankle injuries. He will most likely hurt after every game for the rest of his career, but I would assume he continues to play almost the entire season.