Marion to Utah?

[Mike Olbinski]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/2007/09/shawn-marion-to-utah/

If you could comment on the frontpage a bit, that would be helpful

 

[CardNots]

Kirilenko for Shawn works for me. I've thought many times when he was struggling in Utah he would be a good fit for the Suns. Frankly, during the playoffs I freaked every time Shawn would launch another shot.

Kirilenko is a good passer as well and should get some wide open shots. He can run the floor and plays good defense. I'm not sure how tall but he does bring another tall body if not big.

 

[Goldfield]

yes

 

[HooverDam]

We'd be moving Marion because he's all messed up in the head right, so we bring in AK47? That doesn't make great sense to me. AK47 is a good defender, but so is Marion, but Marion does much better on the offensive side of the ball. I'd rather not mess w/ the winning formula of Nash-Amare-Marion, even if Marion/Amare aren't the best of friends.

I really would hope the Suns wouldn't be dumb enough to do a 1 for 1 trade, Utah better send back some draft picks (that we can sell!), or another player.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Just heard this as well. Definitely doesnt make us better unless we find out Marion will be a bona-fide cancer this coming season. Maybe extension talks went down the crapper?

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Marion + Banks for AK + Paul Millsap?

They need a PG, Fisher gone and Brown hasnt been re-signed.

ftw

 

[slinslin]

Kirilenko is a less jealous worse version of Marion with a even less fragile psyche.

 

[elindholm]

I’m not sure what you mean by, “Sadly, the trade also works as a straight up deal so the reality of it sets in.” The salary numbers work, but that’s the only way that the trade makes sense straight-up. The Suns would have to get additional compensation, at least Milsap or a pick. Kirilenko’s contract is bad and he can’t stay healthy.

IF Kirilenko could return to his max contract form, a trade could make the Suns better, but it would put even more pressure on Hill.

I’d guess that the rumor is bogus, or maybe started by Kirilenko’s camp, since he is unhappy in Utah. D’Antoni loves Marion and wouldn’t agree to a trade unless it was a slamdunk for the Suns.

 

[slinslin]

If ak47 is healthy he might be a better fit though. He doesn't cry about touches, he plays better defense and is much longer.

He was impressive in the playoffs playing PG against Golden State when Williams was on the bench.

Assuming AK47 is healthy it would be a good trade for us.

 

[fordronken]

The benefit of this trade would be that Kirilenko does exactly what the Suns want Shawn Marion's role to be. Kirilenko never considers himself a go to scorer. Kirilenko is an excellent defender who plays better at the power forward spot. He doesn't try to take over as a scorer. He can block shots, run the floor, and keep the team small. His salary is also more in tune with what a player with that role should be getting paid. Kirilenko is also a very good passer and more of an overall game type of player. He's one of the few players in league history to record 5X5s (at least 5 stats in 5 categories: points, blocks, rebounds, assists, steals).

The other risk is that Marion's plantar fasciitis could be a nagging injury that removes Marion's ability to out-athlete more skilled or bigger players this season. Is he still the miracle-injury-comeback player we remember?

Also, when players of these caliber get traded, they tend to get at least one season of rejuvenation. If that's enough for a title, I say pull the friggin' trigger.

However, the reasons not to do this trade are obvious. Marion is a better scorer, better rebounder and somewhat close as a defender.

In the end, I'd call this a calculated risk. I would think the Suns should get something back in addition with this trade.

Marion, Banks, Piatkowski for Kirilenko, Millsap, Giricek?

 

[abomb]

That deal would be a monster coup for the Suns.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'd definitely do a Kirilenko/Millsap for Marion +

 

[Mike Olbinski]

I’m not sure what you mean by, “Sadly, the trade also works as a straight up deal so the reality of it sets in.” The salary numbers work, but that’s the only way that the trade makes sense straight-up. The Suns would have to get additional compensation, at least Milsap or a pick. Kirilenko’s contract is bad and he can’t stay healthy.

I guess I didn't know we'd need compensation. Why?

And I meant "sadly" because it actually worked, so it might be more than just a rumor

 

[Ollie]

If there's any truth in this rumor, Kerr should better ask for more than only Kirilenko, since his contract is way longer than Marion's (saves Sarver more than $5M next year though).

From a basketball standpoint, that definitively makes sense as long as we stick him inside next to Amare (and not as a SF). In our system, he could average 16pts/10rbds/5asts/3blks/2stls if he stays reasonably healthy.

On a side note, he's doing pretty well in the Euro championships and I found him committed and aggressive during the Russia games I've seen.

 

[JCSunsfan]

That deal would be a monster coup for the Suns.

Is this the same AK47 that is constantly injured? So our frontline would be AK47 (what's the big injury issue with him), Grant Hill (ankle), Amare (knees).

And we traded away future #1's with no protection. So not only is the potential for a disaster season very high, there would be no "bright side" whatsoever.

You are so brilliant Steve Kerr.

 

[slinslin]

Kirilenko+Ronnie Brewer maybe.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

If there's any truth in this rumor, Kerr should better ask for more than only Kirilenko, since his contract is way longer than Marion's (saves Sarver more than $5M next year though).

From a basketball standpoint, that definitively makes sense as long as we stick him inside next to Amare (and not as a SF). In our system, he could average 16pts/10rbds/5asts/3blks/2stls if he stays reasonably healthy.

On a side note, he's doing pretty well in the Euro championships and I found him committed and aggressive during the Russia games I've seen.

Gimme some o' dat kool aid

 

[elindholm]

In our system, he could average 16pts/10rbds/5asts/3blks/2stls if he stays reasonably healthy.

Gimme some o' dat kool aid

Those numbers are plenty realistic, except maybe the assists. He averaged 16/8/3/3/2 in 03-04, which was his last healthy season, and adding a couple more rebounds per game would be easy given the Suns' pace. (Kirilenko also played alongside Malone that year.)

It's the "if he stays reasonably healthy" part that is the big question mark.

 

[slinslin]

More like 8 rebounds and 3+ assists but you get the point, he would put up big all-around numbers as long as he stays healthy.

Amare's would probably start getting all those concession rebounds that Marion usually collects.

 

[elindholm]

Marion, Banks, Piatkowski for Kirilenko, Millsap, Giricek?

Giricek is awful, so the only reason to do that would be the opportunity to dump Banks. Banks could potentially work out under Sloan, so I guess it's not an impossibility.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uy6JMCdFSM

might want to mute it though...


Euro highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFL1RRRow_E
who sings this song?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Straight up this is a bad trade for all the reasons JC just mentioned.

Pure panic and nothing else.

 

[jandaman]

As tempting as it sounds... I mean the potential of AK here with Nash and co...

but look at Utah's lineup after this.... Okur/Boozer/Marion/Giricek/Willams.

Hate to break it but that team is scary, especially if Suns ever meet them come playoff time, Marion would have a chip against us.

As most say, I would ask for Giricek and another big, and add Banks with Marion if this was to happen. That way, you take some strength from them. I would rather get Okur + picks and young talent, since he would be good for our system.

Kirilenko + Milsap + Giricek + No.1 Pick for Marion + Banks + Piatkowski, looks a fairer. They dont have a complete lineup to give Suns trouble.

 

[slinslin]

but look at Utah's lineup after this.... Okur/Boozer/Marion/Giricek/Willams.

Hate to break it but that team is scary, especially if Suns ever meet them come playoff time, Marion would have a chip against us.
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Wow I am scared of Marion in the playoffs.

 

[jandaman]

Marion only struggled against Spurs, but with Okur and Boozer there... and we ever matched up against Jazz.. do you put Kirilenko on Marion?... then who covers Boozer and Okur?.. Amare, Boris?.. Hill?... Okur already kills us every time he plays us, Boozer too... then you add in Marion... with our pace and with Willams there... Marion would THRIVE against us.

Again, with the exception of Spurs, Marion has put up impressive numbers, close to his regular season numbers against everyone else. Lakers, well, Odom literally took him inside a lot and he struggled a bit. But with Okur, Boozer there, they would guard the interior while Marion will be the pesky roaming defender... he'd do well against us, thats very likely.