Marion UnHappy in Phoenix?

[NastyOne]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_17616.shtml

MARION TROUBLE:The Suns had an impressive year – no question about that – the oddity is that despite improved numbers, touches and an increased role – Shawn Marion may still be unhappy in Phoenix. An informed source near the Suns says that Shawn has struggled in Phoenix withall of the attention others are getting and seems increasingly more annoyed at the lack of respect he’s getting in Phoenix, and that rumors of Marion being traded are not just rumors, they may be a lot closer to reality than anyone in Phoenix wants to admit. The Suns will be clearing out lockers this week, and it’s believed that Shawn may be pushing for a trade this summer. If Marion indeed wants out of Phoenix, it could make for an interesting summer, as Marion could be the answer for a number of teams, especially in the East – can you say Washington/Philadelphia/Orlando?

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I Wonder if these reports are true?

You could always sense that Shawn is upset that every year someone else gets the spotlight and hes left watching another teammate get all the press and awards.Now with Diaw also busting out that makes Marion our 4th option.

One thing though, i would NOT trade him to any of those teams listed at the bottom of the article since they dont have anything we would want in return for Marion.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think the better question,

"When is Marion happy and not complaining?"

 

[Mike Olbinski]

I love the guy...I just sometimes wish he'd realize how good he has it here, how much the NBA knows what a talent he is...and just be happy.

I think he is most of the time...just now and then...you hear these things.

 

[BC867]

I love the guy...I just sometimes wish he'd realize how good he has it here, how much the NBA knows what a talent he is...and just be happy.

How could The Matrix not realize that, with the return of Amare and the emergence of Diaw, his 20-10 (and all-star) days are over in Phoenix?

Phoenix has played him out of position for two seasons now. He responded well, but must be feeling the strain of it.

It really would be best for him to move him to a team where he could play Small Forward and put up the kind of numbers he has here.

This is the perfect time to do it.

 

[Joe Mama]

I love the guy...I just sometimes wish he'd realize how good he has it here, how much the NBA knows what a talent he is...and just be happy.

I think he is most of the time...just now and then...you hear these things.

I feel the same way Mike. If it weren't for this constant complaining over the last several years of the not enough respect or too much attention for the other players or not enough touches Shawn Marion might be my favorite player in the NBA.

The thing that really bothers me about all of these complaints is that usually he's totally wrong. There's a reason everybody talks about Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, and others so much. It's because as good as Shawn Marion is he is not the player he thinks he is.

He's a good defender, but he isn't a top defender. Offensively he is basically a garbage man. I guess they could run him off more screens to give him some more midrange jumpers and floaters in the lane, but I think they are already getting higher percentage shots for the most part.

Shawn Marion defenders: please realize I'm not overlooking his strengths. He's a versatile defender. He's been asked to guard about every position for the Phoenix Suns. I can't say he's done it without complaining, but he does seem to give 110% effort. On the boards he is amazing. The guy really doesn't even box out well, but he just grabs the rebounds. Credit his incredible athleticism as well as his determination. I think the Phoenix Suns can survive on the boards without him, but it won't be easy. Lastly, there are few players who can run like Shawn Marion. That might be where I feel they would miss Shawn Marion the most if he was traded.

I know Mike D'Antoni appreciates what Shawn Marion does for the Phoenix Suns, but I've got to believe he gets tired of this crap. I don't have time to look up some of his comments over the last year or two. However I've read several of them where it sure sounded like he was kind of fed up with it. I also remember a thread from some guy who knew a mother of basketball player on Mike D'Antoni's son's basketball team. Many on here blew that off as BS. I always felt there was a good chance to was some legitimacy to that one. It sure sounded like something I would have expected to come from Mike D'Antoni.

The problem here as I see it is that many of these teams that would want Shawn Marion just don't have the assets/pieces we would want to return. I kind of think that any trade involving Shawn Marion has to be a little more complicated in order for it to work for everybody. I also think if Shawn Marion gripes himself into a trade I will not be hoping for his and his team's success. I don't think he appreciates how good he has it here.

I do have to admit that the thought crossed my mind that this could be something being floated by the team or at least thrown to the media but the team, so if they do trade Shawn Marion there is is not a big revolt from fans. Perhaps I've been watching too many X-Files reruns.

Oh yeah, I also don't trust much that I hear from HoopsWorld. I'm not saying that this is not legitimate. I'm just pointing out that for the most part they're reporters are just fans like the rest of us.

Joe Mama

 

[Mike Olbinski]

How could The Matrix not realize that, with the return of Amare and the emergence of Diaw, his 20-10 (and all-star) days are over in Phoenix?

Phoenix has played him out of position for two seasons now. He responded well, but must be feeling the strain of it.

It really would be best for him to move him to a team where he could play Small Forward and put up the kind of numbers he has here.

This is the perfect time to do it.

I don't see what you would get rid of a guy with his talent, unless you are getting a major player in return.

 

[NastyOne]

Thinking it over, Both Philly and Orlando both could put together packages i would move Marion for.

Philadelphia - Igoudala and Dalembert (We would also have to take Korvers contract and someone elses just to make it work)

Orlando - Nelson,Milicic and Turkoglu

But i can't see a trade with Philly happening because they are over the cap, and we would have to accept to many contracts in return to make it work.

I rather keep Marion than take on the Sixers trash just to get Igoudala.

And Washington has nothing the Suns would want in return for Marion.

 

[Joe Mama]

Thinking it over, Both Philly and Orlando both could put together packages i would move Marion for.

Philadelphia - Igoudala and Dalembert (We would also have to take Korvers contract and someone elses just to make it work)

Orlando - Nelson,Milicic and Turkoglu

But i can't see a trade with Philly happening because they are over the cap, and we would have to accept to many contracts in return to make it work.

I rather keep Marion than take on the Sixers trash just to get Igoudala.

And Washington has nothing the Suns would want in return for Marion.

most of the rumors coming out of Philadelphia have them going into a rebuilding mode. Taking on Shawn Marion doesn't seem to jive there. Certainly I don't see them giving up Iguodala for him.

Joe Mama

 

[NastyOne]

most of the rumors coming out of Philadelphia have them going into a rebuilding mode. Taking on Shawn Marion doesn't seem to jive there. Certainly I don't see them giving up Iguodala for him.

Joe Mama

I just can't see them rebuilding

They would have to give Iverson away to a team under the cap for players on their rookie contracts, and no one in their right mind would trade for Webber, so they're stuck for a couple more seasons.

And even though Iguodola is a good player, his upside is becoming a Shawn Marion caliber player.

Why not move him for the real thing thats only 28years old?

Iverson,Webber and Marion is good enough to be a top 6 team in the east.

 

[boisesuns]

I love the guy...I just sometimes wish he'd realize how good he has it here, how much the NBA knows what a talent he is...and just be happy.

I think he is most of the time...just now and then...you hear these things.

I was thinking the same thing mike. He has more recognition than 99.9% of people in this country I guess when you get in the top .001% you want more. Marion's talent is great for this team. Part of what hurts his endorsments and his recognition is the way he talks. He's not a great public speaker, or a dynamic personality. That's what seperates the other players from him in terms of recogniton.

I think most people agree, If Amare can come back Marion is 4th option on this team. With the game on the line, I would say i'd go with several people before Marion for a last shot. (Amare, Nash, Bell, TT, Diaw)

Marion makes a great percentage, but I still never think it's going in.
All that said, I think Marion's game fits well in the Suns system.

 

[Tank]

Maybe Marion needs to get injured during a critical part of the season so that people remember how valuable he is again.

I think he is taken for granted, but that is because he is so consistent.

 

[Joe Mama]

Maybe Marion needs to get injured during a critical part of the season so that people remember how valuable he is again.

I think he is taken for granted, but that is because he is so consistent.

I understand where you are saying, but even that wouldn't really prove anything. If they trade him and get something I consider decent in return, and the team goes to crap I'll admit that I undervalued Shawn Marion. If he stays and gets injured we all know that a big part of the problem will be just the depth.

Joe

 

[Gorilla]

Just remember who is writing the article. The writers for hoopsworld.com are just fans with a little bit of writing ability. So I wouldn't take this story to seriously.

 

[slinslin]

Hoopsworld unfortunately has no credibility. It's just like this board making up rumors.

 

[nowagimp]

How could The Matrix not realize that, with the return of Amare and the emergence of Diaw, his 20-10 (and all-star) days are over in Phoenix?

Phoenix has played him out of position for two seasons now. He responded well, but must be feeling the strain of it.

I'm gonna suggest that Shawn feels underappreciated in phoenix for two reasons:

First, since he plays out of position, his defense is under appreciated by fans and by the NBA in general. If Shawn was only matched up against 2's and 3's he'd get more appreciation for his D, which I believe is in the top 15 in the league. Does any top defender have less help on defense than shawn? Certainly no piston or spur can say that.

second, and more importantly, shawn will never be appreciated in PHX or elsewhere by fans who think that the game is won and lost by having "go to guys". Because this consititutes the majority of fans in the NBA -and has been the NBA method for winning since the end of the showtime era- he can expect to be under appreciated, especially with that big salary.

Where shawn would have the biggest impact offensively is on a running team that has alot of ball movement(not the Mavs or heat, thats for sure). The ball movement frees shawn up and he runs as well as anyone in the NBA. On defense, shawn would be sick on the pistons, with that great help D(shawns help D is also very good). Funny, how almost all the "great defenders" have very good or great defenders helping them out. Gee do you think that prince or bowen appreciate having Ben Wallace and Duncan backing them up if their man gets by them.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

One thing though, i would NOT trade him to any of those teams listed at the bottom of the article since they dont have anything we would want in return for Marion.

Per Real GM, Marion for Iverson works (AI is on the trading block) and the more I look at that, the more Intriguing, with Amare back and Nash controlling the Ball Iverson could knock down open shots all day, You could use a 3 Guard set with Bell playing the 3, Imagine a team of Amare, Diaw, Bell, AI and Nash on the court, I love Marion just entertaining this idea. AI would get a crap load of open shots, I mean that offense would be unreal.

 

[slinslin]

Iverson would be horrible for this team, if we didn't have Nash he may be good.

 

[Gaddabout]

Iverson's game is all about having the ball in his hands at all times. Even if he bought into the offense, why pay a player so much money if you're not going to take advantage of what he's good at? I'd rather give Bell 35 minutes at $5 mil per.

 

[jlove]

I had a feeling the reports of Marion being unhappy with the team might come up. Even those 3 teams could help the Suns if it was just one of those 3 teams.

Try some of this:

Marion, KT and #21 to Orlando for Turkoglu, Milicic, (S&T) Ariza and #11 (--> O'Bryant or Sheldon Williams)

or:

Marion and KT to Phila for Daly, Iggy, Korver, #13 (-->Patrick O'Bryant or Sheldon Williams)

or:

Marion and KT to Washington for Haywood, Daniels, Butler and #18. (Then package like the #18 and #27 to get another pick in the top 10)

 

[NastyOne]

I had a feeling the reports of Marion being unhappy with the team might come up. Even those 3 teams could help the Suns if it was just one of those 3 teams.

Try some of this:

Marion, KT and #21 to Orlando for Turkoglu, Milicic, (S&T) Ariza and #11 (--> O'Bryant or Sheldon Williams)

or:

Marion and KT to Phila for Daly, Iggy, Korver, #13 (-->Patrick O'Bryant or Sheldon Williams)

or:

Marion and KT to Washington for Haywood, Daniels, Butler and #18. (Then package like the #18 and #27 to get another pick in the top 10)

None of those deals are attractive

I would want Jameer Nelson from Orlando if we sent them Marion.

And we can't trade Marion with Thomas to Philly cause unless we take back Webber or Iverson the cap numbers wouldnt work.We would be sending them about 25mil in contracts and they dont have the caproom.

Same with Washington.

 

[NastyOne]

Hoopsworld unfortunately has no credibility. It's just like this board making up rumors.

Very true about alot of their writers, but Steve Kyler doesnt really fit into that group.

Heres his bio at the bottom of the page.

Steve Kyler is the lead NBA analyst for Basketball News Services; in addition he serves as Senior Editor and Publisher of HOOPSWORLD.com, SWISH Magazine and is the host of a weekly radio show, The Game heard on Sports Radio 1470 in Tampa. Steve is also the voice of The Five Star Basketball Report, heard daily in 23 major radio markets in the US.

So he may not just be some random fan working for Hoopsworld spewing BS.

Either way, we all know Marion is getting upset about not getting enough attention on this team.

 

[Gaddabout]

Either way, we all know Marion is getting upset about not getting enough attention on this team.

Maybe Raja's mother can give him a hug.

 

[asudevil83]

None of those deals are attractive

I would want Jameer Nelson from Orlando if we sent them Marion.

And we can't trade Marion with Thomas to Philly cause unless we take back Webber or Iverson the cap numbers wouldnt work.We would be sending them about 25mil in contracts and they dont have the caproom.

Same with Washington.

is Mashburn still considered a player or has it been two years sinse his knee injury and he's now just a contract? if he's still considered a player on the roster, then he would be perfect as filler.

 

[JS22]

I had a feeling the reports of Marion being unhappy with the team might come up. Even those 3 teams could help the Suns if it was just one of those 3 teams.

Try some of this:

Marion, KT and #21 to Orlando for Turkoglu, Milicic, (S&T) Ariza and #11 (--> O'Bryant or Sheldon Williams)

or:

Marion and KT to Phila for Daly, Iggy, Korver, #13 (-->Patrick O'Bryant or Sheldon Williams)

or:

Marion and KT to Washington for Haywood, Daniels, Butler and #18. (Then package like the #18 and #27 to get another pick in the top 10)

I'd do the Philly trade in a heartbeat.

Iggy - Up and coming "Marion type player" with actual offensive skills. An all-star in the making.

Dalembert - On and off, but a definite threat to block shots. Can run, dunk, and rebound. He would certainly be the best center that Phoenix has had in years.

Korver - Would do nothing other than stand at the three point line and rain the threes in all night. He'd fit PERFECTLY in the Suns offense.

Not to mention the 13th pick? This trade is a steal for Phoenix, and this is the exact reason that Philly wouldn't do it. It's always fun to dream though.

Nash
Bell
Iggy
Amare
Dalembert

Diaw
Barbosa
Korver
Jones
T. Thomas

That is a scary 10 man rotation even without including the draft pick / random FA pickup. Not much defense off the bench though. Diaw would be able to basically fill in for anyone, and help to reduce Nash's minutes to about 30 a game.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Heres whats hilarious about this.....

Marion will go to another team that relies on half court game, defense and rebounding and he will avaerage something like 14 pts a game. Basically he would turn into........Andre Igoudala.....at least stat wise.

Get rid of him while the market is hot. I am tired of this bitching and if you read the McCallum article Coach D and the other coaches talk about marions "bitching"....

Careful what you wish for matrix....you just may get it.....