Mariota, no thank you

[Krangodnzr]

that makes a lot of sense. If I was a Clemson fan, I guess that would give me some validity.


Akili Smith was a very good athlete with a strong arm too. Otherwise he never gets drafted top 5 overall.

I hope Kelly ties his NFL career to Mariota and trades up for him. Mariota is a great athlete. So is the entire NFL. So was Jamarcus Russell. I just don't see what, or how, Mariota is special. I see a lot more out of Bridgewater and Hundley because they play in a system more acclimated to the nfl.

See I think you are vastly UNDERRATING Mariota. He's not just a great athlete....he's an elite athlete.

And comparing him to Harrington and Akili Smith is ridiculous. Neither player played under the same coach (Belotti vs. Chip Kelly), offensive system and neither were in the same stratosphere athletically.

I remember thinking last year when ASU played Oregon and Mariota had a really long TD run that he was easily the fastest player on either team and the best athlete. I've heard Manziel decided to go to A&M because he didn't want to compete with Mariota.

If Mariota comes out, IMO he's easily a top 5 athlete at QB as a rookie.

 

[perivolaki]

Other than the ones I listed these guys are ones that could enter the picture based on their combine performance etc.

Georgia's Aaron Murray, Clemson's Tajh Boyd, Fresno State's Derek Carr, Ohio State's Braxton Miller, Eastern Illinois' Jimmy Garoppolo and San Jose State's David Fales.

Looks like a much better QB class than we saw in the last draft.

I can't believe than Sean Mannion's name has not come up.

Gets into his drops quick, has a quick release, a cannon for an arm, reads defenses, and doesn't have as much help as some of the other QBs that have been named.

I know he won't be one of the first few guys selected, and he isn't the running QB that is so much in favor right now, but I think when it's all said and done he could be real a good one.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So let's avoid all QB's that are very good athletes and have strong arms.

All it takes is one game to see a world of difference between Akili and Mariota. You don't even have to look at the 56.6% career completion rate of Smith to see he is inferior to Mariota at the college level. Anybody can fail going from college to the pros but avoiding Mariota because of the failure of a few others from the same school is a lot like basing your decisions on superstition. You'll get one right every now and then but it's no way to run a football team. Now, if you've watched him play and are unimpressed, that's a different story.

Steve

Where did I say avoid very good athletes with strong arms? In fact, I said I like Bridgewater and Hundley.

I'm still waiting for somebody to point out ONE skill player that has gone on to success in the NFL from the Oregon offensive system that is in place.

Also, I never questioned Mariota's athletic ability and he may turn out to be good. I just have serious doubts about him and would personally stay away from him and hope the Cardinals do as well.

I think the QB that gets overlooked the most is AJ McCarron from Bama.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I'll take Bridgewater

That makes sense. Considering no chance in hell he's ever in this team. Feel free to continue in your dream land.

Thanks for joining during our dream land. I think Bridgewater is the first QB selected.

 

[HoodieBets]

Lets talk what might actually happen in this draft instead of talking about someone we don't have a chance to sniff. I want to trade up in the 2nd and get AJ. He is the Rodgers of this draft. Very smart and has a cannon. Plus the dude is a straight winner. He reads defenses very well and has torched the best defenses in the county. He is deceptively mobile as well.

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[PDXChris]

Lets talk what might actually happen in this draft instead of talking about someone we don't have a chance to sniff. I want to trade up in the 2nd and get AJ. He is the Rodgers of this draft. Very smart and has a cannon. Plus the dude is a straight winner. He reads defenses very well and has torched the best defenses in the county. He is deceptively mobile as well.

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If we take anyone at the point, he intrigues me the most.

 

[JeffGollin]

See I think you are vastly UNDERRATING Mariota. He's not just a great athlete....he's an elite athlete.

And comparing him to Harrington and Akili Smith is ridiculous. Neither player played under the same coach (Belotti vs. Chip Kelly), offensive system and neither were in the same stratosphere athletically.

I remember thinking last year when ASU played Oregon and Mariota had a really long TD run that he was easily the fastest player on either team and the best athlete. I've heard Manziel decided to go to A&M because he didn't want to compete with Mariota.

If Mariota comes out, IMO he's easily a top 5 athlete at QB as a rookie.

Selecting (or rejecting) a QB because he played for a specific school is a bit of an oversimplification, no?

I'd prefer to watch the dude in action and then maybe factor in the school to help explain or verify why he's good or bad.

I'm not sure about this, but wasn't Rodgers downgraded in the draft because he came out of a Tedford pgm at Cal? If so, a perfect example of why it's unwise to let the "paper resume" trump the resume on film or tape.

 

[Jim Otis]

Selecting (or rejecting) a QB because he played for a specific school is a bit of an oversimplification, no?

I'd prefer to watch the dude in action and then maybe factor in the school to help explain or verify why he's good or bad.

I'm not sure about this, but wasn't Rodgers downgraded in the draft because he came out of a Tedford pgm at Cal? If so, a perfect example of why it's unwise to let the "paper resume" trump the resume on film or tape.

I agree with JeffGollin on judging players by colledge attended , (examples here in Mississippi) . Walter Payton --- Jackson St. ---------- Jerry Rice --- Miss. Valley St. -------------- Brett Favre --- Southern Miss.

Rogers was just a victim of having come along behind Kyle Boller , the way Boller busted , it couldn't help but raise some eyebrows on Rogers .

 

[Garthshort]

Cbus, promise you won't apply for a scouting job with the Cardinals. Plzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

 

[Southpaw]

Which is why you should be higher on Manziel. Alabama is as close to a pro defense as you can get in college and he tore them apart twice. The second time was even more impressive when they spent more attention on him in the offseason than they had compared to any other QB of offense.

I don't have a problem with Manziel at all. I love his skill set. If Vick, R. Wilson, Bobby Griffin can be starting NFL QBs Manziel will fit just fine. I can't imagine him slipping to the 2nd round. I am in the minority but I would take him over Bridgewater.

I must have brain farted when I left Sean Mannion's name out of the mix. I heard someone drop Stephen Morris' name as a 1-3 round QB selection. If anyone wants to see a contrast in QBs watch Saturday night's FSU/Miami game. James Winston & Stephen Morris. Morris might be a 5-6 at best. He has one helluvan arm but the rest is mediocre to bad. I have watched him every game for 3 years, as a starter, now and the only reason he is starting for U Miami is the other roster QBs are deemed worse by the staff. He is one of those guys who the game will not slow down for. If it hasn't after 3 years, it never will. He either trows bombs, air balls or dirt balls.

 

[PDXChris]

Great cover

 

[Southpaw]

QBs who need to work out at NFL Combine;

1. Bridgewater
2. Mannion
3. Mettenberger
4. Boyd
5. Manziel
6. McCarron
7. Morris

QBs who probably won't;

1. Bridgewater
2. Manziel

 

[cardinalsfan]

Surprisingly it looks like Hundley is going to turn pro after this season. He could be a guy that is available when we pick, due to some holes in his game, but has the physical tools to work in the Arians system.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273648/article/jayzs-roc-nation-sports-has-had-talks-with-brett-hundley

 

[Azlen]

I heard someone drop Stephen Morris' name as a 1-3 round QB selection. If anyone wants to see a contrast in QBs watch Saturday night's FSU/Miami game. James Winston & Stephen Morris. Morris might be a 5-6 at best. He has one helluvan arm but the rest is mediocre to bad. I have watched him every game for 3 years, as a starter, now and the only reason he is starting for U Miami is the other roster QBs are deemed worse by the staff. He is one of those guys who the game will not slow down for. If it hasn't after 3 years, it never will. He either trows bombs, air balls or dirt balls.

Kiper actually had him as the third best QB going into the season. He hasn't dropped him too much yet considering they are undefeated. We'll see where he lines up with everyone at the end of the year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cbus, promise you won't apply for a scouting job with the Cardinals. Plzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Shoot, if they'd have hired me, we'd have Byron leftwich throwing to David Terrell and handing the ball to Maurice claret right now. What could be better than that oh yeah, Tyler Wilson would be the QBOF too

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I hope the Cardinals stay as far away as possible and don't waste an early pick on Mariota. There are many reasons for this.

First, name the last Oregon skill player to have success in the NFL. Unless you consider the limited outbursts of LeGarette Blount and Jonathon Stewart a success, I can't think of any players that have been successful in the NFL.

Next, Chip Kelly's vaunted, by some, offense hasn't exactly translated very well to the NFL. I think they are going on 2 games without scoring an offensive TD. I know injuries at the QB have had an effect but even the Cards with likes of Skelton, Scud, Max Hall, scored SOME points.

Back to Kelly's offense, it's a great college system because it's based on getting superior athletes in open space and allows them to take advantage of the athletic ability. That can work in college, however, in the NFL, there isn't much of an athletic discrepancy and the offensive stars that put up astronomical numbers in college, struggle. You won't see the short passes turn into long TD's in the NFL and many of the eye-popping QB stats at Oregon are based on plays such as these. Plus you rarely see WR's running as open in the NFL as they do at Oregon.

Lastly, there is history. Joey Harrington and Akili Smith are considered two of the biggest busts in draft history. Neither could read defenses or adequately adjust to the speed/talent of the NFL. Kellen Clemons and Dennis Dixon are tow more products of the Oregon system that have not had any impact in the NFL.

All this leads me to say, buyer beware, correction, buyer stay away from Marcus Mariota.

Couldnt disagree more but a conversation for closer to April methinks.

With your recent Thread on how wrong you have been with projecting QBs, pretty sure we HAVE to draft the guy now.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I agree with JeffGollin on judging players by colledge attended , (examples here in Mississippi) . Walter Payton --- Jackson St. ---------- Jerry Rice --- Miss. Valley St. -------------- Brett Favre --- Southern Miss.

Rogers was just a victim of having come along behind Kyle Boller , the way Boller busted , it couldn't help but raise some eyebrows on Rogers .

I think the problem lies in the big name schools. Not so much the smaller school. A lot of players are overvalued because they come from a big name school. The problem is, most of the time, their success is based on the overall talent surrounding them and not just based on their skill. How did Tim Tebow's game tape look and we know what happened there? There are many big name programs that I would be hesitant to draft a player and Oregon is one of them (I'm speaking about the offensive side of the ball for the most part).

 

[GatorAZ]

Surprisingly it looks like Hundley is going to turn pro after this season. He could be a guy that is available when we pick, due to some holes in his game, but has the physical tools to work in the Arians system.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000273648/article/jayzs-roc-nation-sports-has-had-talks-with-brett-hundley

1 more year in college would do wonders for him.

 

[Gandhi]

1 more year in college would do wonders for him.

Yes, but if he somehow is on the board when the Cardinals pick I think they have to take him. He might not be ready to start right away but like some of the recent quarterbacks picked in the first round, he could sit through the first half of the season or so, and then come in if he is ready. I just think he has too much upside.

As for Mariota, I have not seen him throw into tight windows either. That is not to say that he can’t do it, it just has not been necessary. In little over a week, Oregon will face Stanford, and with their defense, it should be a really good test for Mariota. I can’t imagine he can play that game without making some more risky throws.

To me, A.J. McCarron could be a first round pick, but if he can be had in the second round I would jump all over it if it meant the Cardinals could select a left tackle in the first round. I think he is very advance technically, he can throw to the middle of the field, he can throw to the sidelines, he can throw intermediate, he can throw deep, he is not afraid to trust his receivers to go make a play and maybe above all of that he is a very intelligent quarterback. I am not buying the ‘game manager’-stamp he has gotten. I think he at times are managing the game because Saban wants him to but his talent is much bigger than that.

Those are the three quarterbacks I really want, and I would not be completely against trading up for one of them if possible.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Mariota not looking too good tonight. Passes not very accurate, no zip on them. Seemed like his coach didn't trust him as he ran more than usual. Oh yeah, he fumbles too. Of course as I type this he throws a Td pass.

 

[Garthshort]

One game (Stanford) might cost Mariota the Heisman, but it won't have much effect on his draft position. JMO.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'll take Bridgewater

+1

But, I am very impressed with Mariota's skills.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Heisman Trophy contender Marcus Mariota, who said he was playing on a left knee that was a "little banged up," was inaccurate and under pressure much of the night. He finished 20-of-34 for 250 yards with a fumble but threw two fourth-quarter touchdown passes, sandwiched around a blocked field goal return for a score by Rodney Hardrick, to pull the Ducks (8-1, 5-1) to 26-20 with 2:12 left.

Stanford game last night.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wasn't impressed with him last night. I always look at what guys do against good teams/defenses and that's hard to find because there aren't too many college teams that play good defense. The Pac12 and Big 12 play the worst defense in the country so it's hard to gauge how good a guy actually is.

Stanford is a legit defense and Mariota struggled. He's still likely going to be a top 10 pick but this confirms my hesitations about him. Conversely, Bridgewater lit up a pretty good Florida defense in the bowl game last year. I realize they are both only 1 game but I don't think it's even close to who the better QB is.

I'm still liking Derek Carr as my choice for the Cards, which means he'll likely end up stinking .

 

[Buckybird]

I wasn't impressed with him last night. I always look at what guys do against good teams/defenses and that's hard to find because there aren't too many college teams that play good defense. The Pac12 and Big 12 play the worst defense in the country so it's hard to gauge how good a guy actually is.

Stanford is a legit defense and Mariota struggled. He's still likely going to be a top 10 pick but this confirms my hesitations about him. Conversely, Bridgewater lit up a pretty good Florida defense in the bowl game last year. I realize they are both only 1 game but I don't think it's even close to who the better QB is.

I'm still liking Derek Carr as my choice for the Cards, which means he'll likely end up stinking .

agree

I still like Meziel too.