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Martz on the Mike: November 19
Wednesday, November 19, 2003

“We shortened practice a little bit and have gone into shells. This is the time of year that you can physically hit the wall so we tried to freshen things up a little bit. We generally do this and lighten practice up a little bit. The team is going good mentally. They are focused and getting ready to play the Cardinals. The Cardinals at home obviously have been very difficult. They have won three of the last four and the game that they did lose was on the last play, a blocked punt. We understand the situation that we are going into down in Arizona. We know how hard they are to beat at home; very similar to the Bears situation. It will be a very hard fought game; a very close game, one that we will have to prepare very well for.”

On letting up on practice: “Letting up on practice is probably not how I would describe it. What we try to do is take the contact out of it. The speed the quickness and the intensity we can do a little bit of. We try to cut down on the plays a little bit. We have taken Isaac and Torry on Wednesdays now and backed them off a little bit, Thursday a little bit more, and Friday will be a normal practice day. Those two guys have been running all year and we can do that because we have receivers helping now who can participate and fill in and do those things. They can learn a little bit more as well that way. This is what we will do for the rest of the year.”

On when you let up on practice: “We just have a sense of it. These guys have really taken more reps than what we will normally do during the season because we have had so many of the young guys injured. They had to take more reps so we have to let them catch up a little.”

On Leonard Little: “He has done some individual (drills). Now he has to get into that football part of it and get confidence in his strength. That is just the functional part of it. Strength-wise, he has come back very well.

On Tyoka Jackson and Bryce Fisher playing well: “Very much so. They both have seized the opportunity that has been given to them and have done very well. Brian Young is doing the same thing. It is the same thing with the young corners, Dane Looker, and we can go on and on and on. They have stepped in and done a real good job. I’m really happy with that part of this football team.”

On Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin: What is so impressive about him is what he is able to do after the catch. He just makes terrific plays. His runs after the catch and his yards after the catch, the breaking tackles, his toughness and competitiveness is what really comes across when you watch that tape.

On the Rams defense: “They have done a good of job as anybody taking the ball away this year. This is something that I know is coached, they believe in that. It is an attitude as well as the speed the players have over there. I think the young players in the secondary have done a great job in improving each game. They are learning and getting better. You make those things happen, knocking the ball out. Pursuit has a great deal to do with that. You knock the ball out and one of your guys is there to get the ball. It’s an attitude, I think it’s coached and it reflects the players that we have.”
 

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Mike Martz sounds like one of those good Heavyweight Champs that is about to administer a beating on a young, but talented contender.
 
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Originally posted by CaliCards
Mike Martz sounds like one of those good Heavyweight Champs that is about to administer a beating on a young, but talented contender.

Yup. It has an ominous vibe about it.
 

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Originally posted by CaliCards
Mike Martz sounds like one of those good Heavyweight Champs that is about to administer a beating on a young, but talented contender.

Sometimes I wonder why they even interview pro players or coaches.

They're taught how to answer. It's the rare occurance when someone slips and speaks his mind that makes news.

"We're gonna take it one game at a time" bugs the crap outta me. Really, as opposed to what?

In the thread for the Thursday pratice Mac was asked how he plans to cut down the mistakes. His answer?

"They gotta make the plays". Very insightful.

Anyone else have a favorite?
 
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Originally posted by Fiasco
"Were gonna get this thing fixed"

How about "we had a real good practice today." Or "the game plan was good, but we just didn't execute it."
 

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Ok Mac's a great guy but Im not gonna fight for his job. You wouldnt hear a peep outta me when he gets fired. Maybe a nice golf clap but is that considered a peep. ;)
 

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Ok Mac's a great guy but Im not gonna fight for his job.
Call me crazy, but I'm still pulling for him.

I'm still having trouble ridding myself of the faith that "straight shooters will eventually prevail." I'm grasping onto the last thread of hope that Mac will run the table and save his job.

An even thinner thread cuts Mac slightly more slack; namely - if the Cardinals were to play at a consistently high level but still lose a couple of very close games to very good NFL teams, I'd still be inclined to extend his contract for one more year (so he wouldn't be a lame duck) and keep him.

A couple of other thoughts (one forward/one looking backward) -

Another tack that the Bidwills and (maybe) Graves might want to take is (a) acknowledge (publically and to Mac) that his job is in jeopardy and that the club is exploring other options. (b) but that one of those options includes retaining McGinnis if it's decided after full and comprehensive review of the team and all options that he would give the club the best chance to be successful and (c) that they would immediately start a search for other possible candidates so as not to be put at a disadvantage competing for coaching talent at the end of the season. (I think that this would be the most honest, reasoned and palatable approach to the situation - and the one most in synch with Graves' MO).

What the Bidwills, Mac and Graves should have said 1 - 2 years ago was: "We have a plan. It involves a rebuilding phase which includes: getting rid of the locker room lawyers and me-guys, bringing in character players and changing attitudes. This will no doubt leave us with one of the youngest teams in the NFL , and we decided to put our faith in a young head coach with a sizable learning curve and plenty of speed bumps ahead of him. It has been (and will continue to be) our position that the more bumps in the road you go over, the closer we will be to winning. And so, we will all continue to hang together in good times and bad, learn from our mistakes until we finally get to where we want to go."

I think if they had said it a year or two ago, the fans would have bought into it. (And it would have given Mac time to diagnose and correct some glaring deficiencies in coaching). But the Cardinals didn't. And now Mac's back is against a (very fragile) wall with zero wriggle room.
 

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I think the chances of Coach Mac retaining his job is no more than 10%. The owners are faced with showing the public they are doing something even if it is wrong. I would not be supprised to see Steve Spurrier headed back to college either.
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
Ok Mac's a great guy but Im not gonna fight for his job.
Call me crazy, but I'm still pulling for him.

I'm still having trouble ridding myself of the faith that "straight shooters will eventually prevail." I'm grasping onto the last thread of hope that Mac will run the table and save his job.


But why, why, why, for the love of God, why???

He's a great guy. All fine and dandy. Our franchise will continue to be mired in ineptitude if he stays at coach. Good guy, bad coach, yet you're still pulling for him to keep his job?

I give a damn if he dresses in a white cowboy suit, helps little old ladies across the street and cures cancer in his spare time...he's killing this team from an Xs and Os standpoint!

Conversely, if a guy clubs baby seals for sport and was known to be JFK's assassin, I may overlook that if he can coach us to a SB (okay, big overdramatization, but you get the point!)

I mean, geez, to hope we keep him as coach because he's a nice guy? You're crazy, man!
 

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Good guy, bad coach, yet you're still pulling for him to keep his job?
'Cause I'm not 100% convinced he's a bad coach, I guess.
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
Good guy, bad coach, yet you're still pulling for him to keep his job?
'Cause I'm not 100% convinced he's a bad coach, I guess.

Wow! I wonder what it's going to take for you to be convinced? Do you have to find locusts in your Corn Flakes? Or have your bathwater turn to blood?

Seriously, what would it take to convince you he has the potential? Because I believe there is NO argument right now that he is NOT properly game planning/managing the game/scheming/adjusting/etc. That is the mark of a bad coach and bad coaching staff. Why do you think he's not a bad coach? Could you explain this, please?
 

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Originally posted by Stout
Wow! I wonder what it's going to take for you to be convinced? Do you have to find locusts in your Corn Flakes? Or have your bathwater turn to blood?

Seriously, what would it take to convince you he has the potential? Because I believe there is NO argument right now that he is NOT properly game planning/managing the game/scheming/adjusting/etc. That is the mark of a bad coach and bad coaching staff. Why do you think he's not a bad coach? Could you explain this, please?

I asked Jeff this once before, and he never responded. I'd like to know, too.
 

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Originally posted by swd1974
Ok Mac's a great guy but Im not gonna fight for his job. You wouldnt hear a peep outta me when he gets fired. Maybe a nice golf clap but is that considered a peep. ;)
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
Ok Mac's a great guy but Im not gonna fight for his job.
Call me crazy, but I'm still pulling for him.

Another tack that the Bidwills and (maybe) Graves might want to take is (a) acknowledge (publically and to Mac) that his job is in jeopardy and that the club is exploring other options. (b) but that one of those options includes retaining McGinnis if it's decided after full and comprehensive review of the team and all options that he would give the club the best chance to be successful and (c) that they would immediately start a search for other possible candidates so as not to be put at a disadvantage competing for coaching talent at the end of the season. (I think that this would be the most honest, reasoned and palatable approach to the situation - and the one most in synch with Graves' MO).

We will see this Sunday how the players perform. Do I hope you're right? Hell yeah! I would like for nothing better than Mac succeed. The one thing I see in Macs favor is spending three years under what's his name. Old plan and that got cut short. Then Graves took over and a new plan was impleminted.

Now, Is Mac part of the new plan with Graves or not? It's only been one year. Are they on the same page or did Graves really think this was a competitive team? If he did then Mac is out. Behind closed doors maybe another scenario is playing out. It will get interesting in the near future. We beat the whambs and get on a roll and then what? I hope to have this problem. Playing for a draft pick is BS. Lets win, Now!
 

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Originally posted by kerouac9
I asked Jeff this once before, and he never responded. I'd like to know, too.

I maintain Mac is a good defensive coach but is in waaaay over his head as head coach. He was DC in 98 when the Cards defense carried the team to the playoffs. in 97 and 99, it was an inept offense that doomed the team...scoring 17+ and 15+ per game. That doesn't win many games in the NFL. The Cards were alot more competitive during that time too.

He was reported to being a solid assistant cioach in Chicago when he was there too. Whether that is true could only be confirmed by the position players he coached. He will get a job coaching defenses somewhere and will be back in his comfort zone.

HC is just too much for him.

JMHO
 

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Originally posted by AZCB34
I maintain Mac is a good defensive coach but is in waaaay over his head as head coach. He was DC in 98 when the Cards defense carried the team to the playoffs. in 97 and 99, it was an inept offense that doomed the team...scoring 17+ and 15+ per game. That doesn't win many games in the NFL. The Cards were alot more competitive during that time too.

He was reported to being a solid assistant cioach in Chicago when he was there too. Whether that is true could only be confirmed by the position players he coached. He will get a job coaching defenses somewhere and will be back in his comfort zone.

HC is just too much for him.

JMHO

I'd have to disagree with you. I don't think McGinnis has ever put a decent defense on the field for an entire season. That '98 team for instance gave up over 30 points 7 times in 18 games.

I don't believe the Cards have finished out of the bottom 10 in total defense more than a couple of times in the 8 years McGinnis has been with the team, and have given up more than 400 points in a season 3 of the last 4 years.

Sure they've had a few inspired performances like the playoff game in Dallas, but McGinnis' defenses have never played well on a consistent basis.
 

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And it's also not like Mac has ever succeeded on his own as D.C., either. Tobin was a defensive head coach, and so Mac didn't do too much because he was more of an assistant, he's only been an underling thoughout his career.

Look at the assistants who succeeded in the NFL as head coaches, and you see that they were essentially running the team on their side of the ball: Lewis under Billick and Spurrier, Fox under Fassel, Rhodes under Holmgren, Belichek under Parcells.

These guys were on their own with head coaches that were primarily concerned with the offense. Mac was basically pushed up from being "The guy that gave advice on choosing plays" to "The guy that runs every aspect of the team" and he obviously wasn't up to that job, and failed to learn on the job.
 

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Don't forget AZCB34, the year after Tobin was fired, Ron McKinnon said on a postgame show after a Detroit Lions game, "They knew all of our calls because we run Tobin's defense."
 

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