Matt Cassel traded to Chiefs

[Renz]

If true, NE must have A LOT of confidence that Brady will be recovered from his knee injury by training camp. If Brady can't go, then they are screwed!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Patriots continue to get richer. I'm not surprised one iota that the Patriots were able to move Cassel but it does surprise me that Pioli would put this much stock in a very unproven QB when they have a very promising QB in Thigpen. Cassel put up 23 TD's in 16 games(15 starts) on a very potent offensive juggernaut. Thigpen(coming into the season as the #3 behind Croyle and Huard) put up 22 TD's in 14 games(11 starts) for a freakin' Herm Edwards offense!

Stupid, stupid move by the Chiefs. If I was Thigpen I'd be demanding a trade and some team will be lucky to have him.

don't let stats get in the way of who the better QB is. Cassel is more like a Matt Hasselback while Thigpen is more of a Scott Mitchell. In other words, Hasselback was a backup who can legitimately play and was wanted by other teams. Mitchell was a guy who couldn't play but put up stats on a bad team .

 

[moklerman]

If Brady can't go, then they are screwed!

C'mon, I hate the Patriots but you don't really think that a) Sanchez or whoever they have in mind as a backup plan couldn't come in and do as well as high school Cassel? and b) you don't think some vet that's desperate for a job(Garcia?) wouldn't jump at the chance to go to NE and audition with that offense?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If I was Thigpen I'd be demanding a trade .

. I think that would be Pioli's reaction if THigpen went in and demanded a trade. As well it should be.

 

[moklerman]

don't let stats get in the way of who the better QB is. Cassel is more like a Matt Hasselback while Thigpen is more of a Scott Mitchell. In other words, Hasselback was a backup who can legitimately play and was wanted by other teams. Mitchell was a guy who couldn't play but put up stats on a bad team .

I'm not basing it all on stat's but we're talking about a guy in Thigpen who had no training camp, a lame duck(crappy even if he wasn't) coach and a team in turmoil. Cassel could be the next Steve Bono for all we know. He was in a great system and looked solid but let's not act like he's the 2nd coming or even a franchise QB or even clearly better than Thigpen.

Switch them last year and Cassel doesn't do as well as Thigpen did I bet. Put any QB in NE and they're going to have at the very least solid numbers.

 

[Renz]

C'mon, I hate the Patriots but you don't really think that a) Sanchez or whoever they have in mind as a backup plan couldn't come in and do as well as high school Cassel? and b) you don't think some vet that's desperate for a job(Garcia?) wouldn't jump at the chance to go to NE and audition with that offense?

If Cassel was traded for a second, they aren't getting Sanchez.

 

[moklerman]

I think that would be Pioli's reaction if THigpen went in and demanded a trade. As well it should be.

Laugh all you want but Thigpen had more TD's and fewer interceptions than Big Ben last year...with the 2-14 Chiefs "supporting" him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Patriots continue to get richer. I'm not surprised one iota that the Patriots were able to move Cassel but it does surprise me that Pioli would put this much stock in a very unproven QB when they have a very promising QB in Thigpen. Cassel put up 23 TD's in 16 games(15 starts) on a very potent offensive juggernaut. Thigpen(coming into the season as the #3 behind Croyle and Huard) put up 22 TD's in 14 games(11 starts) for a freakin' Herm Edwards offense!

Stupid, stupid move by the Chiefs. If I was Thigpen I'd be demanding a trade and some team will be lucky to have him.

Cassell "unproven" Thigpen "promising"... these descriptions could be reversed.

Pioli stupid?

Let's see how it all turns out as it seems that another team is getting involved.

 

[moklerman]

If Cassel was traded for a second, they aren't getting Sanchez.

Sorry, Gutierrez is what I meant. They're both "Matt" and I misspoke. I was talking about NE's backup(currently 3rd string) QB.

 

[Perfectionist]

Update till the next update: link
UPDATE: According to an initial report the Chiefs are not giving up their number 3 overall pick in the trade leading to more speculation that one of the Chiefs All-Pro’s are involved.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Laugh all you want but Thigpen had more TD's and fewer interceptions than Big Ben last year...with the 2-14 Chiefs "supporting" him.

so the Steelers should look at dealing Ben for Thigpen. Again you're just going by stats.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Update till the next update: link
UPDATE: According to an initial report the Chiefs are not giving up their number 3 overall pick in the trade leading to more speculation that one of the Chiefs All-Pro’s are involved.

the Chiefs had more than 1 all-pro? TG was it wasn't he? Or was Thigpen one as well?

 

[moklerman]

Cassell "unproven" Thigpen "promising"... these descriptions could be reversed.

True, but I'll go with the guy who's produced more under more duress over the guy who was in a choice situation. I certainly wouldn't give up multiple draft picks(as orginally reported) for the guy when I've got many other needs to address and two young QB's already on the roster.

Pioli stupid?

If it was for a 1st plus more for Cassel? Yep. Stupid.

 

[Goober Man]

the Chiefs had more than 1 all-pro? TG was it wasn't he? Or was Thigpen one as well?

Brian Waters possibly?

 

[moklerman]

so the Steelers should look at dealing Ben for Thigpen. Again you're just going by stats.

No, I'm not. I'm looking at the fact that Thigpen put up some good production on a bad team and showed potential especially considering his circumstances. Using numbers as a comparable, he was more productive than Ben during the regular season and he did it in fewer games. I'm not saying he's better than Ben but if he put up better numbers, it certainly carries some weight to the idea that he is worth giving a chance to improve on what he's already done.

Don't tell me this board wouldn't be pleased as pie if Leinart puts up 21(total) TD and 12 interceptions when he gets to start.

 

[Perfectionist]

the Chiefs had more than 1 all-pro? TG was it wasn't he? Or was Thigpen one as well?

Guard Brian Waters. And get a load of this LINK

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.
Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by what he perceived to be the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.
The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team.

 

[Stout]

NFL Network now reporting this as a done deal.

 

[Russ Smith]

Call me a cynic but I think Cassel is highly overrated.

I realize Brady is special but when you compare how good NE was with Brady to how good they were with Cassel it's night and day.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

and supposedly for the 34th pick....

 

[Shogun]

Good move by Chiefs, and I don't buy the Leinart-for-2nd round, either.

He's an immediate upgrade and at worst a game manager QB.

 

[Stout]

Vrabel and Cassel for the #34 overall. WOW! The Chiefs pulled off a major coup in this deal!

 

[ARZCardinals]

Bet your rear that they gave up the #3 pick.

NE is out of their mind to be trusting Brady's knee after ACL and MCL tear. Not one QB I've ever seen in the history of the NFL has been even close to the player they were the year after. Typically it's 2-3 years before they are close to the form they once were.

McSoup - 2 years till he was in form
Palmer - still not in form
Detoit's qb - forgetting his name (from Minn.) - still not in form (but playing alright)

 

[Mulli]

Guard Brian Waters. And get a load of this LINK

Waters asked for his release two days after a brief meeting with new head coach Todd Haley and after being told by first-time general manager Scott Pioli that he had no interest in meeting with Waters, the source said.
Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by what he perceived to be the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.
The Cardinals players told Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez that Haley, Arizona’s offensive coordinator, was aloof, condescending and ignored by veterans, the source said. Anquan Boldin, Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald Jr. — Arizona’s offensive stars — were all members of the NFC Pro Bowl team.

Those "quotes" about Haley are bunk. I don't buy it for a second that they ignored Haley as the OC yet still made the Super Bowl.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Bet your rear that they gave up the #3 pick.

NE is out of their mind to be trusting Brady's knee after ACL and MCL tear. Not one QB I've ever seen in the history of the NFL has been even close to the player they were the year after. Typically it's 2-3 years before they are close to the form they once were.

McSoup - 2 years till he was in form
Palmer - still not in form
Detoit's qb - forgetting his name (from Minn.) - still not in form (but playing alright)

Well, you just lost your "rear"... good luck with that...

It's the 34 th pick for both Cassel and Vrabel...

 

[Renz]

Vrabel and Cassel for the #34 overall. WOW! The Chiefs pulled off a major coup in this deal!

We'll see. It isn't often that you see the Patriots get fleeced. I agree with Russ that Cassel will look very ordinary outside of NE.