Matt Ware Re-signed (not yet confirmed)

[clif]

Did this dude's stock go through the roof or what?

 

[jw7]

Per Kent Somers this is not a done deal. Ware's agent is denying it, though he says talks are positive.

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[Shane]

I just dont Ware is that good...hopefully a multi year deal only means 2 years.

Whiz does nothing but rave about him and openly states that he is one of the most important players in the scheme we run. Allowing Wilson to do what he does. The D def dropped when he went out. What makes you say he stinks?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Whiff? Its a little early to call him a whiff...

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Gosoft is a special person...

Geesh, not every signing has to be for a star or a highly paid name. Depth is just as important dope (Gosoft that is).

 

[Buckybird]

Whiz does nothing but rave about him and openly states that he is one of the most important players in the scheme we run. Allowing Wilson to do what he does. The D def dropped when he went out. What makes you say he stinks?

didnt say he stinks, I just think Matt Ware type players come a dime a dozen. Like you guys say he's depth & probably a solid signing. But my questions are how many years & at what costs, thats my main issue.

 

[Shane]

didnt say he stinks, I just think Matt Ware type players come a dime a dozen. Like you guys say he's depth & probably a solid signing. But my questions are how many years & at what costs, thats my main issue.

I would think that saying "I just dont think ware is that good" is about equivolent to saying he stinks.

 

[Catfish]

didnt say he stinks, I just think Matt Ware type players come a dime a dozen. Like you guys say he's depth & probably a solid signing. But my questions are how many years & at what costs, thats my main issue.

In this day and age-----nobody comes a dime-a-dozen anymore. Ware is solid for depth, and unless the FO has done a one eighty, they won't overpay for him. So far as signing him too many years, ANY player can be cut at any time. I just hope they get it finalized. This is a good piece of the puzzle for us.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Phenominal.

I know A LOT of people are really really hard on Matt Ware, but I personally think he re-deemed himself last year, and played very, very well.

He is an important cog in this team's system. The defense going to crap in a basket sync'ed up with his injury.

Wonder how many years ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Thank God the Niners didn't sign this scrub.

LOL.

If anyone would know about secondary scrubs it would be the Niners.

Walt Harris been re-signed yet ?

How about Shawnte Spencer ?

But what do I know anyway, cause my team doesn't believe in paying about 11.1 million dollars per INT for a shut off corner.

Seriously, from glass houses.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Whiff? Its a little early to call him a whiff...

With Adrian Wilson, Kerry Rhodes, and now Matt Ware on the squad, if the Cardinals draft another safety, then I would assume it is safe to say Johnson was a bust.

We will see.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Matt Ware's agent denies NFL.com story that Ware has agreed to a multi-year deal. Talks are headed in a positive direction.

http://twitter.com/kentsomers

 

[Evil Ash]

Matt Ware's agent denies NFL.com story that Ware has agreed to a multi-year deal. Talks are headed in a positive direction.

http://twitter.com/kentsomers

Probably have agreed to general terms but hasn't been finalized yet

 

[CardLogic]

didnt say he stinks, I just think Matt Ware type players come a dime a dozen. Like you guys say he's depth & probably a solid signing. But my questions are how many years & at what costs, thats my main issue.

In this day and age-----nobody comes a dime-a-dozen anymore. Ware is solid for depth, and unless the FO has done a one eighty, they won't overpay for him. So far as signing him too many years, ANY player can be cut at any time. I just hope they get it finalized. This is a good piece of the puzzle for us.

To add to all that Catfish has said...

What some people (Bucky) overlook about Ware are his physical attributes. At 6'2" and 215 lbs., he has got good size for a safety and corner type speed. And Ware is a good athlete: Selected in the 21st round of the 2001 Major League Baseball Draft by the Seattle Mariners as a centerfielder; spent the summers of 2002 and 2003 in the Valley playing centerfield for the Peoria Mariners of MLB’s rookie league.

Ware can play either of the safety positions, and nickle corner. With his versatility it enables the Cardinals defense to be more versatile overall; allowing DC Davis to put three safeties on the field, moving A-dub into the box, among other things. In addition he has contributed on special teams.

Is Ware replacable? Of course he is; but Ware has spent 4 seasons as a Cardinal already. The coaching staff know exactly what he brings to the table and how to make the most of it. When you own something that does the job it is assigned, gives you exactly what you expect from it, you don't throw it away only to have to purchase a replacement...

Re-signing Ware is a very smart decision.

 

[Duckjake]

To add to all that Catfish has said...

What some people (Bucky) overlook about Ware are his physical attributes. At 6'2" and 215 lbs., he has got good size for a safety and corner type speed. And Ware is a good athlete: Selected in the 21st round of the 2001 Major League Baseball Draft by the Seattle Mariners as a centerfielder; spent the summers of 2002 and 2003 in the Valley playing centerfield for the Peoria Mariners of MLB’s rookie league.

Ware can play either of the safety positions, and nickle corner. With his versatility it enables the Cardinals defense to be more versatile overall; allowing DC Davis to put three safeties on the field, moving A-dub into the box, among other things. In addition he has contributed on special teams.

Is Ware replacable? Of course he is; but Ware has spent 4 seasons as a Cardinal already. The coaching staff know exactly what he brings to the table and how to make the most of it. When you own something that does the job it is assigned, gives you exactly what you expect from it, you don't throw it away only to have to purchase a replacement...

Re-signing Ware is a very smart decision.

This thread on Ware is just further proof that to fans if the guy signs with your team he's great and if he leaves he's a bum.

Ware has ONE pdf in the last three years and got his first career INT last season... in his 6th nfl season. But he's a key component of the defense?

Ware wasn't injured when Vince Young toasted the Cards for over 350 yards passing. Vince Young! Or when Manning or Matt Schaub or Jay Cutler threw for more yards than in just about any game they played all season.

The guy's nothing special and could be easily replaced.

If he signs, fine I hope he plays well. If not I'm not going to miss him.

 

[Mulli]

This thread on Ware is just further proof that to fans if the guy signs with your team he's great and if he leaves he's a bum.

Ware has ONE pdf in the last three years and got his first career INT last season... in his 6th nfl season. But he's a key component of the defense?

Ware wasn't injured when Vince Young toasted the Cards for over 350 yards passing. Vince Young! Or when Manning or Matt Schaub or Jay Cutler threw for more yards than in just about any game they played all season.

The guy's nothing special and could be easily replaced.

If he signs, fine I hope he plays well. If not I'm not going to miss him.

Exactly right.

 

[JeffGollin]

didnt say he stinks, I just think Matt Ware type players come a dime a dozen. Like you guys say he's depth & probably a solid signing. But my questions are how many years & at what costs, thats my main issue.

I disagree. Players like Ware don't come a dime a dozen for two reasons:

1. He's the unique combination of a Big CB who can cover big receivers and a Safety.

2. Most modern-day football rosters have on them a half-dozen or more guys who are role players (as in: A guy who can cover big receivers as a corner, but who can also play safety)

While this doesn't turn Ware into an All Pro, it does make him very useful to the Cardinals in a way few if any other players available to us can do (especially now that Rolle - who was used in a combo S/slot CB manner - is no longer with us). I think he fills this role pretty well.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I disagree. Players like Ware don't come a dime a dozen for two reasons:

1. He's the unique combination of a Big CB who can cover big receivers and a Safety.

2. Most modern-day football rosters have on them a half-dozen or more guys who are role players (as in: A guy who can cover big receivers as a corner, but who can also play safety)

While this doesn't turn Ware into an All Pro, it does make him very useful to the Cardinals in a way few if any other players available to us can do (especially now that Rolle - who was used in a combo S/slot CB manner - is no longer with us). I think he fills this role pretty well.

Sanity!

(I'd like to say that "sanity" finally prevails on this issue, but I doubt it)

 

[Mitch]

I still don't understand the outpouring of affinity for Matt Ware. He's a marginal ST player, for one. He is a serviceable nickle FS on the right side, I will grant him that. But he's struggled in man-to-man repeatedly since he arrived here, and he can't seem to hold up physically, as he was hurt heading into the post-season both last year and this.

I also feel quite dubious about the fans on this board who want ot throw Rashad Johnson under the bus after his rookie season. Do you actually realize how difficult it is to transistion into the NFL?

Free safety may be...other than QB...the most difficult position to play in the NFL. You have to have the mental and physical ability to react on a dime to what's happening before you, and you are constantly being tantalized with having to pay attention to the intermediate seams and the deep middle and deep third. You cannot be in three places at the same time.

What separates the good ones from the average or bad is the ability to hone the right instincts, anticipation and feel. For any of you to expect a mere rookie to be able to do that in one year is outrageously obtuse.

 

[TJ]

I still don't understand the outpouring of affinity for Matt Ware. He's a marginal ST player, for one. He is a serviceable nickle FS on the right side, I will grant him that. But he's struggled in man-to-man repeatedly since he arrived here, and he can't seem to hold up physically, as he was hurt heading into the post-season both last year and this.

I also feel quite dubious about the fans on this board who want ot throw Rashad Johnson under the bus after his rookie season. Do you actually realize how difficult it is to transistion into the NFL?

Free safety may be...other than QB...the most difficult position to play in the NFL. You have to have the mental and physical ability to react on a dime to what's happening before you, and you are constantly being tantalized with having to pay attention to the intermediate seams and the deep middle and deep third. You cannot be in three places at the same time.

What separates the good ones from the average or bad is the ability to hone the right instincts, anticipation and feel. For any of you to expect a mere rookie to be able to do that in one year is outrageously obtuse.

This

Let me throw out two names familiar to all of us:

Kwamie Lassiter and Adrian Wilson

Both struggled immensely at safety their rookie season, but had solid second seasons and pro bowl careers with AZ. Rashad looked confused at times but is a decent tackler and is a bright kid. Hopefully he gets another chance in nickel and dime packages.

 

[Zeno]

I still don't understand the outpouring of affinity for Matt Ware. He's a marginal ST player, for one. He is a serviceable nickle FS on the right side, I will grant him that. But he's struggled in man-to-man repeatedly since he arrived here, and he can't seem to hold up physically, as he was hurt heading into the post-season both last year and this.

Wow. You say that about Ware but were upset when Francisco was cut last year---who is/was nowhere the player Ware is.

Ware isn't anything special but 1) he has played an important part in our defensive schemes 2) he has the coaches trust

 

[Mitch]

Wow. You say that about Ware but were upset when Francisco was cut last year---who is/was nowhere the player Ware is.

Ware isn't anything special but 1) he has played an important part in our defensive schemes 2) he has the coaches trust

I was upset about losing Francisco because Matt Ware cannot hold his jock as a ST player...it's not even remotely close...AND...I never advocated AF as an option at FS, I had him as the backup SS, where, if you recall, when he played there he made key short yardage stops in clutch situations.

It was clear to everyone that AF was not a viable option at FS.

 

[gohard83]

Matt Ware 6 year career stats - 106 tackles, 1 int, 3 FFs, zero sack, 7 passes defended

Dashon Goldson 2009 stats - 94 tackles, 4 ints, 3 FFs, 2 sacks, 6 passes defended


lol @ Goldson not better than Ware. Dude's a scrub so I called him a scrub. None of our fans wanted him and that's exactly what I said.

 

[Zeno]

I was upset about losing Francisco because Matt Ware cannot hold his jock as a ST player...it's not even remotely close...AND...I never advocated AF as an option at FS, I had him as the backup SS, where, if you recall, when he played there he made key short yardage stops in clutch situations.

It was clear to everyone that AF was not a viable option at FS.

Francisco sucked period....yet another UDFA you latched on to. He obviosuly wasn't that important to the ST either considering our coverage teams improved in '09 compared to '08 (by about 5 yards a return).

 

[Zeno]

Matt Ware 6 year career stats - 106 tackles, 1 int, 3 FFs, zero sack, 7 passes defended

Dashon Goldson 2009 stats - 94 tackles, 4 ints, 3 FFs, 2 sacks, 6 passes defended


lol @ Goldson not better than Ware. Dude's a scrub so I called him a scrub. None of our fans wanted him and that's exactly what I said.

Comparing stats doesn't exactly tell the story. It's not really what he does (IE tackles, sacks etc) it what he allows other plays to do...his presence in the defense (in certain schemes) allows the coaches to use Adrian Wilson to take more chances, when he went out last season the Cardinals tried Ralph Brown in that role with decidedly bad results.

Ware is what he is, a role player...not a starter.