Max Hall Sucks

[Krangodnzr]

Because #7 showed that he COULD succeed at this level, and Max Hall never showed anything to make anyone think that he could play in the NFL.

After the first Seattle game, Marcus Trufant said in an interview that no one on the Seahawks knew Max Hall's name, but they all knew he couldn't throw down the field.

I'm surprised that anyone who saw Max Hall play in this regular season believes that he has what it takes to perform on this level.

Agreed. Another thing not being talked about is that Max Hall has gotten dinged in every bit of playing time he's had so far. I doubt he could EVER last a season as a pro QB, let alone play more than 4 games at a time.

Few QB's show no promise as a rookie starter and end up being good QBs. Young and Elway come to mind as guys that looked terrible early on and ended up being great at points in their careers (near the end that is).

Hall and Clausen probably will not be good NFL QB's from what they've shown so far.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Successful teams are constantly evaluating the QB position and looking at the long term health of the position. Look at the success that Mike Holmgren had drafting and developing QBs in Green Bay. Other than cutting Leinart, not drafting a young 3rd guy over the years to develop has been an issue. A team should be drafting one of those guys every 2-3 years imo.

 

[Russ Smith]

All rookie QB's are overmatched. It's nice to see some signs of being able to make the adjustment. ML showed that as a rookie. He didn't seemed overwhelmed. Hall looked completely overwhelmed. I haven't seen enough of Clausen but most of these guys have unrealistic expectations put on them as a rookie.

Fair enough on Hall he didn't show anything at all and looked completely overmatched.

The problem with Clausen is that he was the one guy in this draft who wasn't supposed to look that way. I'm reading Outliers (Malcolm Gladwell) right now, he has this fascinating thing about the law of 10,000 hours which basically says it takes someone about 10,000 hours practice to get REALLY good at anything.

Jimmy Clausen is the definition of what is supposed to make a great player, from a very young age he had a throwing coach(Steve Clarkson) his dad is a coach, his brothers all played, most of them at QB. There isn't a kid his age in the entire country who had as much practice at playing QB as he did coming up. He had way more than his 10K hours. In HS he was the best, he was old for his class(held back intentionally) and he was so much more polished. When he got to college he played early on, and he had a solid college career but he wasn't the best, his peers were catching up to him.

And now his NFL career is starting even slower than projected because the fact is much of the stuff that normal young QB's improve on in college and the first few NFL seasons are things Clausen has been drilled on since he was 12 years old.

He'll be better than he is right now but I don't think he'll ever be what his dad essentially raised him to be.


I actually feel sorry for the kid but I wouldnt' have touched him until the 4th round because I think it's so unlikely he becomes a good NFL QB.

 

[bugboy]

Successful teams are constantly evaluating the QB position and looking at the long term health of the position. Look at the success that Mike Holmgren had drafting and developing QBs in Green Bay. Other than cutting Leinart, not drafting a young 3rd guy over the years to develop has been an issue. A team should be drafting one of those guys every 2-3 years imo.

Holmgren wasn't there anymore at the time but you make a good point concerning the Packers.

Arguably the best personnel move over the last several years was Green Bay drafting Aaron Rodgers as the QOTF while Favre was still playing. Granted, they had no idea he was going to be any good, but at least they were trying to stock the cupboard.

Other than salary, there was no reason for Whisenhunt to not draft a quality quarterback before now seeing that his handling of Leinart this preseason was (to me) very telling as far as what he thought of Matt the whole time he's been in AZ.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Holmgren wasn't there anymore at the time but you make a good point concerning the Packers.

Arguably the best personnel move over the last several years was Green Bay drafting Aaron Rodgers as the QOTF while Favre was still playing. Granted, they had no idea he was going to be any good, but at least they were trying to stock the cupboard.

Other than salary, there was no reason for Whisenhunt to not draft a quality quarterback before now seeing that his handling of Leinart this preseason was (to me) very telling as far as what he thought of Matt the whole time he's been in AZ.

I'm more talking about having Favre, but drafting Brunell, Hassebeck, Brooks, and later Rogers (and signing Kurt Warner as a free agent). It was more a signature of Ron Wolf though (Holmgren developed them), and to this day, he still has disciples of his drafting style still working for the front office.

Man so many people were wrong about Rodgers. Had all the tools, put up great numbers in college, but everyone was wowed by one good year Alex Smith put up and his athletic numbers. The film clearly showed that Rodgers was a MUCH better prospect, but the scouts fell in love with Alex Smith's potential. It's a lesson everyone following football should bear in mind.

 

[bugboy]

Man so many people were wrong about Rodgers. Had all the tools, put up great numbers in college, but everyone was wowed by one good year Alex Smith put up and his athletic numbers. The film clearly showed that Rodgers was a MUCH better prospect, but the scouts fell in love with Alex Smith's potential. It's a lesson everyone following football should bear in mind.

None more so than the 49'er's "braintrust."

Funny how one key personnel decision allowed the Packers to arguably improve after Favre left while a once proud franchise (Niners) sinks into the abyss and is reduced to a laughingstock with a coach who drops his pants in the locker room to prove a point.

 

[Duckjake]

Seeing that a guy like Curtis Painter actually kept his job in Indy behind Manning, don't be surprised to see Max Hall bounce around the league for 5-6 years, if not longer, some of which after this season might be spent with the Cards.

True. Brian St.Pierre was in the NFL for 7 years and threw only 5 passes. When it comes to low rate 2nd team QBs and 3rd stringers its who you know not how good you are. That was proven when in his 8th year in the NFL BSP finally gets a start and stinks up the joint.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Max Hall unequivically sucks.

I was wrapped up in the hype and "moxie and intangibles" talk, but after walking out of UOP after theBucs game and looking around at the fans, it was palpable how bad Hall was and how he would never regain the fans trust. I actually went into the game excited to watch him play (and drunk) and walked out of the game laughing at the multiples guys I saw dumb enough to have purchased an authentic Max Hall jersey (much drunker at this point).

Basically what it comes down to is I can't be trusted to evaluate QB's on my team. I always have visions of gum drops and lollipops in my head, and in Max Halls case it was obvious he is physically overmatched and not a starter in this league and I didn't want to admit it at the time.

You'll notice I have been silent on anything/everything Skeleton.

 

[Duckjake]

Max Hall unequivically sucks.

I was wrapped up in the hype and "moxie and intangibles" talk, but after walking out of UOP after theBucs game and looking around at the fans, it was palpable how bad Hall was and how he would never regain the fans trust. I actually went into the game excited to watch him play (and drunk) and walked out of the game laughing at the multiples guys I saw dumb enough to have purchased an authentic Max Hall jersey (much drunker at this point).

Basically what it comes down to is I can't be trusted to evaluate QB's on my team. I always have visions of gum drops and lollipops in my head, and in Max Halls case it was obvious he is physically overmatched and not a starter in this league and I didn't want to admit it at the time.

You'll notice I have been silent on anything/everything Skeleton.

Well at least we can take comfort in the fact that at 6'5" 244 Skelator is not physically overmatched. And I sure hope that the 22 yard pass for a first down on 3rd and 16 is a sign of things to come and not an aberration.

 

[bugboy]

Max Hall unequivically sucks.

I was wrapped up in the hype and "moxie and intangibles" talk, but after walking out of UOP after theBucs game and looking around at the fans, it was palpable how bad Hall was and how he would never regain the fans trust. I actually went into the game excited to watch him play (and drunk) and walked out of the game laughing at the multiples guys I saw dumb enough to have purchased an authentic Max Hall jersey (much drunker at this point).

Basically what it comes down to is I can't be trusted to evaluate QB's on my team. I always have visions of gum drops and lollipops in my head, and in Max Halls case it was obvious he is physically overmatched and not a starter in this league and I didn't want to admit it at the time.

You'll notice I have been silent on anything/everything Skeleton.

Maybe that was the plan all along. Start Hall just long enough to get some "authentic jerseys" into circulation, in hopes that the fanbase who already bought Warner and DA jerseys will dip into the well one more time.