Max Hall Sucks

[desertdawg]

Would your fan base be happy with Matt Leinart as your Qb? Ours would have been if not for our coaches "chemistry' experiment.

Quit crying over spilled Matt.

 

[mjb21aztd]

yes sir yes he does, but hey he balls in preseason!!!!!

 

[bugboy]

Wow, I wish the Panthers front office was as ridiculous as you are. On the bright side, I think you may be lucky enough to have a shot at either Anderson or Hall after the season! Shockingly enough, both may be available! You may even have a shot at former Heisman winner Matt Leinart! In case you didn't know, he's a future hall of famer, just ask some of this board.

As ridiculous as me? If you think Arizona's quarterback situation is nearly as bad as Carolina's, then I guess that makes both of us ridiculous.

You had to replace Kurt Warner, which was never going to happen. The Panthers managed to f**k up trying to replace Jake Delhomme's production, burning through two draft picks in the process (one of which was a third rounder). Yes, Carolina drafted both Clausen and Pike.

At least the Cardinals only drafted one of their rookie QB's, at the bottom of the draft, no less.

 

[desertdawg]

As ridiculous as me? If you think Arizona's quarterback situation is nearly as bad as Carolina's, then I guess that makes both of us ridiculous.

You had to replace Kurt Warner, which was never going to happen. The Panthers managed to f**k up trying to replace Jake Delhomme's production, burning through two draft picks in the process (one of which was a third rounder).

At least the Cardinals only drafted one of their rookies, at the bottom of the draft, no less.

I gotta give you props, you must be hard core, I respect that.
Seriously, as a fan of the only team that sucks worse than the Cards, you must be a great fan. Not dissin, don't get it twisted, yalls better be happy with your QB draft pick so yall don't mess with ours.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

As ridiculous as me? If you think Arizona's quarterback situation is nearly as bad as Carolina's, then I guess that makes both of us ridiculous.

You had to replace Kurt Warner, which was never going to happen. The Panthers managed to f**k up trying to replace Jake Delhomme's production, burning through two draft picks in the process (one of which was a third rounder).

At least the Cardinals only drafted one of their rookies, at the bottom of the draft, no less.

You clearly have no objectivity. Ask any fan with a half a brain whether they'd rather have the Max Hall/Derwreck Anderson or Jimmy Clausen/Matt Moore, and 99 out of 100 will choose Clausen/Moore.

 

[Rats]

Quit crying over spilled Matt.

Not crying, we just hear all the time that no one wants Matt and he is such a pariah. Just wanted to hear if a fan of another team would want him under center. If Matt had been let go earlier he would probably have found a better landing spot. Again the jury is out and we probably haven't heard the last of Leeenart even though I did boo the selection the day we drafted him. I wanted the planet player in Ngata.

 

[bugboy]

You clearly have no objectivity. Ask any fan with a half a brain whether they'd rather have the Max Hall/Derwreck Anderson or Jimmy Clausen/Matt Moore, and 99 out of 100 will choose Clausen/Moore.

Clausen I'll give you but Moore I won't. You don't even include Skelton in the argument. Who can even say Clausen will be as good as Skelton when it all comes out in the wash?

If you call over 200 pass attempts and 1 touchdown (Clausen's stats this year) something to envy, then you are right about me having no objectivity. I like to think it isn't particularly easy to throw 200+ NFL passes and have only one TD pass to show for it.

 

[Sandan]

Would your fan base be happy with Matt Leinart as your Qb? Ours would have been if not for our coaches "chemistry' experiment.

Speak for yourself buddy

 

[Rats]

Speak for yourself buddy

I am speaking for myself. I am sure several,like our headcoach, were much happier going into the season with Scud rather than Matt and letting him go with no comp. Sounds like such a great move in hindsight *sarcasm*

 

[Duckjake]

Speak for yourself buddy

Are you saying that if Leinart had stayed in Arizona and been successful this season you wouldn't be happy?

 

[bugboy]

Not crying, we just hear all the time that no one wants Matt and he is such a pariah. Just wanted to hear if a fan of another team would want him under center. If Matt had been let go earlier he would probably have found a better landing spot. Again the jury is out and we probably haven't heard the last of Leeenart even though I did boo the selection the day we drafted him. I wanted the planet player in Ngata.

As a Panthers fan, I'd love to have Leinart. He'd be a breath of fresh air compared to what we had been dealing with over the past few years: Jake Delhomme, David Carr, Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike, Brian St. Pierre, Keith Null, 43-year old Vinny Testaverde, etc.

Though I was excited about the team picking up Clausen on draft day. I'd hope he eventually develops but it doesn't look good at all right now.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Bugboy, I've been to a couple hard core Panther boards. Dudes have a sense of humor. Some funny stuff there

 

[Zeno]

As a Panthers fan, I'd love to have Leinart. He'd be a breath of fresh air compared to what we had been dealing with over the past few years: Jake Delhomme, David Carr, Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike, Brian St. Pierre, Keith Null, 43-year old Vinny Testaverde, etc.

Though I was excited about the team picking up Clausen on draft day. I'd hope he eventually develops but it doesn't look good at all right now.

We had one poster who was adamant that Clausen was the best college QB he had seen in years. Said the Cards should draft him in round 1 and turn the whole thing over to him and we wouldn't miss a beat...he has played even worse than I expected and I wasn't a fan.

 

[bugboy]

We had one poster who was adamant that Clausen was the best college QB he had seen in years. Said the Cards should draft him in round 1 and turn the whole thing over to him and we wouldn't miss a beat...he has played even worse than I expected and I wasn't a fan.

Considering Clausen delibrately went to Notre Dame because he wanted to play in a pro-style offense to better prepare him for the NFL, I liked the idea of having him fall so far down the board and the Panthers grabbing him when they did, because most people assumed someone like the Bills or Raiders were going to panic about their poor quarterback situations and get him in Round 1 or 2.

But the numbers say it all. 200 passes and only 1 touchdown. Is Max Hall even capable of that type of futility?

It'd be one thing if he (Clausen) was throwing a lot of picks and still putting up 8, 10 or 12 touchdowns but he has looked completely overmatched.

 

[desertdawg]

Considering Clausen delibrately went to Notre Dame because he wanted to play in a pro-style offense to better prepare him for the NFL, I liked the idea of having him fall so far down the board and the Panthers grabbing him when they did, because most people assumed someone like the Bills or Raiders were going to panic about their poor quarterback situations and get him in Round 1 or 2.

But the numbers say it all. 200 passes and only 1 touchdown. Is Max Hall even capable of that type of futility?

It'd be one thing if he (Clausen) was throwing a lot of picks and still putting up 8, 10 or 12 touchdowns but he has looked completely overmatched.

Clausen would be hard to stomach, but we are good about that around here. Years of practice.

 

[Russ Smith]

Panthers fan here.

Yes, Max Hall sucks but it could be worse for you. You could have one of our four quarterbacks who have helped "lead" Carolina to a 1-11 record, which includes 2 poopy rookies (just like you have) and also a 30 year old scrub career backup with a total of 5 NFL passes before WE started him who when the Panthers signed him was sitting at home on the couch (stay-at-home dad) while his wife was working.

Welcome to the bottom of the NFL.

Personally, I think our fanbase would be ECSTATIC to have Max Hall or Derek Anderson after what we've had to endure this season with our purported "quarterback of the future" Matt Moore (now on the IR) who put up 10 INT's in about 1/4 of a season, Jimmy Clausen (1 TD and 6 picks in over 200 pass attempts), Tony Pike (now on the IR) and Brian St. Pierre (also injured).

Let's just hope our newly signed 5th quarterback on the roster this year (Keith Null) doesn't have to see any action.

You left out the best part of Clausen's stats this season. The 1 TD he threw was a total broken play he rolled right and the guy covering Stewart fell down and Clausen hit him and Stewart took it 55 yards for a score. At least he found the open man but it literally took a defender falling down for him to get the TD and he's thrown about 125 passes since then without finding the endzone.

Hall was pretty bad too but Clausen was supposed to be the most NFL ready of the early round QB's this year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

All rookie QB's are overmatched. It's nice to see some signs of being able to make the adjustment. ML showed that as a rookie. He didn't seemed overwhelmed. Hall looked completely overwhelmed. I haven't seen enough of Clausen but most of these guys have unrealistic expectations put on them as a rookie.

 

[kerouac9]

Now lets see...Leaneert had (I dont know the number of games he played) games....but it had been said "give him a chance, he hasn't had many starts"....but Hall played in 3 or 4 games, and the professional tallent scouts on here have already deemed him as SUCKS. Just amazes me how one Quarterback has double digit games under his belt, but thats not enough to evaluate him....the other has a handful of games under his belt....and he sucks. Just my opinion.

Because #7 showed that he COULD succeed at this level, and Max Hall never showed anything to make anyone think that he could play in the NFL.

After the first Seattle game, Marcus Trufant said in an interview that no one on the Seahawks knew Max Hall's name, but they all knew he couldn't throw down the field.

I'm surprised that anyone who saw Max Hall play in this regular season believes that he has what it takes to perform on this level.

 

[gamebird98]

There isn't enough deodorant for this conversation.

AGAIN, I did not say Hall was good or bad....nor did I say Matt was good or bad, I simply said that it amazing how you could draw conclusions of a player based on 2-3 games....yet the player with double digit games played wasn't given a fair chance.

 

[kerouac9]

There isn't enough deodorant for this conversation.

AGAIN, I did not say Hall was good or bad....nor did I say Matt was good or bad, I simply said that it amazing how you could draw conclusions of a player based on 2-3 games....yet the player with double digit games played wasn't given a fair chance.

How many games would you have to see--say--Russ Smith start before you're willing to come to the conclusion that he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL?

That's where I am with Max Hall. He just hasn't illustrated through the preseason and his play in live action that he has the physical ability to perform as a starter in the NFL. I think that's clear. I'm convinced that he hasn't shown the physical ability to perform as a ROSTER PLAYER in the NFL, although that's more debatable.

I think that #7 has proven during his time here that he does have the physical skills to perform in the NFL. Apparently, the Houston Texans if no one else agree, as well. But I don't think he was given enough of a chance to show that he can succeed as an NFL starter.

Is that distinction clear enough for you?

 

[vince56]

Lost in all this is that Leinart is only good enough in Houston to run the scout team. He hasn't beaten out the #2 guy there all season.

 

[bugboy]

Lost in all this is that Leinart is only good enough in Houston to run the scout team. He hasn't beaten out the #2 guy there all season.

Right, but meanwhile Dan Orlovsky has been in Houston's system for over a year. So why should a guy who barely signed before the season opener automatically get propelled to #2 without any knowledge of the system?

Besides, that is Whisenhunt's fault for waiting so long to cut Leinart. Everybody here knows he didn't like him from Day 1. Why not just cut him earlier in the offseason? He had months to run him out of town, which is what he wanted to do all along.

 

[bugboy]

There isn't enough deodorant for this conversation.

AGAIN, I did not say Hall was good or bad....nor did I say Matt was good or bad, I simply said that it amazing how you could draw conclusions of a player based on 2-3 games....yet the player with double digit games played wasn't given a fair chance.

This is a case by case basis. There is no set number of games each player has to start before you can evaluate him.

Some guys "look" the part from day one but need a couple of seasons, and possibly the right coach or system, to put it all together. Other guys "look" like they are in over their head from the very beginning.

The turnovers are one thing, that can be corrected if you have the right coach and the player is willing to cooperate. However, the complete inability to move the ball down the field and score touchdowns, the most basic of skills, is crippling to a team.

Take turnovers out of the equation completely. Matt Leinart can move the ball down the field. Max Hall can't.

Seeing that a guy like Curtis Painter actually kept his job in Indy behind Manning, don't be surprised to see Max Hall bounce around the league for 5-6 years, if not longer, some of which after this season might be spent with the Cards.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Besides, that is Whisenhunt's fault for waiting so long to cut Leinart. Everybody here knows he didn't like him from Day 1. Why not just cut him earlier in the offseason? He had months to run him out of town, which is what he wanted to do all along.

Exactly. Should have traded him back when he still had value and Warner was playing well. Never should have come to cutting him for nothing.

 

[Russ Smith]

How many games would you have to see--say--Russ Smith start before you're willing to come to the conclusion that he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL?

Yeah but then I've had a partially torn rotator cuff on my throwing arm for about 15 years now.