Maybe it is time...

[mwanamatapa]

Happened to me in Club seats after the opening kick off! Some Lions fans complained.

 

[Shane]

all you guys having the SAFE experience... where do you sit? are you on the visiting side or something? I've never, not even once been asked to sit down or calm down. where is that stuff actually happening?

Yea I dont get it either. I have not once been asked to sit down calm down or anything nor have I seen it been a problem anywhere around me. Im not saying it doesn't happen but it certainly doesn't appear to be a rampant problem.

 

[kerouac9]

FWIW, I'm in the lower level corner "cheap seats" on the visitor's side (SEC 24, I think), and I've never once had a problem with SAFE.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I go to a couple of games a year (I live in Tucson). They called me in November and asked me to buy more tickets and become a season-ticket holder. I told them that I wouldn't buy another ticket until they fired Rod Graves and the current S.A.F.E staff who treat Cardinal fans like second class citizens to opposing fans.

They have followed one of my directives. Hopefully they will do the second as well

 

[MrYeahBut]

I came over for 2 games last year and spent couple G's doing so. Can't say I was thrilled with the experience except for tailgating. The team's play was so bad that it made the cash I spent a bitter pill to swallow. I'm bitter over the whole mess the team is but I'll prolly be back next year. Battered fan syndrome, I guess.

 

[splitsecond]

all you guys having the SAFE experience... where do you sit? are you on the visiting side or something? I've never, not even once been asked to sit down or calm down. where is that stuff actually happening?

I have never been told to sit down, but I have had multiple bad experiences with SAFE, being threatened to be kicked out, my friend getting kicked out, all because opposing fans have instigated things. The worst was when I tried to report a fan who was berating a cards fan, and when safe got there, they IGNORED me waving to them trying to tell them what was going on and asked ONLY the opposing fans what the problem was. I REPORTED IT and was not talked to.

I sit on the "visitors" side (is there such a thing in the NFL, really?) 4th row upper level.

I ended up buying lower level tickets on the "home" side for the bears and the whole vibe was different, even the opposing fans were classy. I want to upgrade to solve the problem, but I have since bought paartiaal season tix for Arizona basketball and split a DBacks seasn with some friends so I dont know if I can justify the expense. I feel like based on how SAFE was my option is upgrade or cancel. I can't sit up there and deal with that crap anymore.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

No one has experienced it yet. No one even knows the set up for it yet. No one has a clue what the fan experience will be yet. Yet I have seen more then one person say the fan experience will be worse. I am confused, do you guys know something I don't yet.

I have been to many different teams camps. Falcons and Chargers being a few of them. Both have it at their team facilities and both have had just as good or in some cases better fan interaction then the Cards do in Flagstaff.

I can 100% tell you the fan experience will not be as goood in Glendale as it is in Flagstaff. Trying to compare Glendale in August to any other place, especially San Diego, is a joke.

 

[TJ]

If I had unlimited resources, or free/cheap airfare from LA to PHX for every home game, id become a season ticket holder, again. Despite SAFE (I had a run in with them in the NFC Champ game), I miss the experience, especially tailgating. One of the most difficult parts of moving away was giving up my tix.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I came over for 2 games last year and spent couple G's doing so. Can't say I was thrilled with the experience except for tailgating. The team's play was so bad that it made the cash I spent a bitter pill to swallow. I'm bitter over the whole mess the team is but I'll prolly be back next year. Battered fan syndrome, I guess.

Tell me about it. We had our first baby last year, so was not able to make it to most games. We decided to saddle up and drive out to the Monday night game against SF. Took quite a bit of planning, dragged the mother in law along to watch the baby while we went at the hotel while we went to gaem. Needless to say, that pathetic effort in that game was almost enough to make me quit.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I haven't had season tix since 2003. I still hit all the big games when they roll around. I'd personally save the money, and only go on special occasions.

We could do much better if we ex-pats just got together on Sundays on our own and partied during the game. Let the corporate-types and scalpers keep the sell-out string going.

 

[WildBB]

It's not just you. The game experience is just no longer as enjoyable as it used to be. Tailgating is really the only reason I even still go. And they still have even managed to find ways to make that less fun through the years.

Many times I will leave the games during the 3rd quarter or even at halftime not to beat traffic or anything but simply because I'm not having very much fun. The SAFE clowns are a complete and utter joke. Sheriff's officers aren't much better. I still remember the time they beat down, choked out and tazed and old man (and looong time STH) for absolutely no reason at all. That was one of the most shocking and infuriating things I have ever witnessed.

I do realize that the old SDS days spent in the NEZ are long gone and never coming back but as the years have gone by there just seems to be less and less of the camaraderie amongst Cardinals fans. There certainly are no where near as many laughs anymore. There's just no edge for lack of a better word at all anymore. It's turned into a dull and drab experience similar to what I can get at a Suns or Dbacks game. I guess that's probably what they want.

Sad....like people say; cheer only when the jumbo tron says to cheer.

We should have an ASFN day where we all get a whole section kicked out.

Play with em....NowhatImsayin.

 

[wa52lz]

FWIW, I'm in the lower level corner "cheap seats" on the visitor's side (SEC 24, I think), and I've never once had a problem with SAFE.

121 never had an issues as well

 

[52brandon]

I think they're a League requirement for stadiums. Not a FO decision.

Still they go way overboard vs. the home crowds. WAY SO, to many times.

Required or not, they can still make sure that those hired to do the job are worthy of the responsibility

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I've never had an issue with SAFE, reason i'm thinking about dropping is spending the 2k annually on a terrible product.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

We are in 125 down on Row 4. The closer to the field, the more the scalpers.

Every week it is a different set of opposing fans all around us.

 

[Redheart]

I haven't had season tix since 2003. I still hit all the big games when they roll around. I'd personally save the money, and only go on special occasions.

We could do much better if we ex-pats just got together on Sundays on our own and partied during the game. Let the corporate-types and scalpers keep the sell-out string going.

+1

 

[azmike74]

Sadly, I may not renew either. Most of my buddies I used to go with have dropped out due to lack of interest or money and my wife and I are going to Europe in Sept/Oct which will prevent me from making a game for 4 weeks anyway (depending on how the schedule plays out at that time). I think I will still attend at least two games but I'm not as gung-ho as I used to be about season tickets.

I'm starting to think my money and time can be better spent on other things, I guess I'm a little apathetic about it.

 

[JeffGollin]

I was standing in front of my TV in NJ watching Seattle vs. Cards, when the phone rang.

It was S.A.F.E telling me to "sit down."

 

[O]

I was standing in front of my TV in NJ watching Seattle vs. Cards, when the phone rang.

It was S.A.F.E telling me to "sit down."

Well played!

 

[gmabel830]

We are in 125 down on Row 4. The closer to the field, the more the scalpers.

Every week it is a different set of opposing fans all around us.

It sounds like you guys need a change of scenery within the stadium. I've seen posts with both you and Jersey complaining about where you sit. I am 100% honest in saying that based on what I've read, I would not swap my seats in Section 421 (upper deck/corner) for your seats straight up. We sit around a bunch of regulars every week, never have any issues since we are all pretty consistent, and have pretty good relationships all the way around. In fact, the couple right next to us is around the same age/got engaged right when my wife and I did, and we've gotten together at local bars to watch away games and stuff. It sounds like that is what you are really missing, and why I do not want to change seats even though I am in a financial position to afford a lot better seats.

Have you thought about switching to the home site and moving up a bit (which you will obviously have to do)? I would bet what you would feel like you are missing out being higher up would be more than offset by being near other Cards fans/hopefully regulars that would decrease your odds of having run ins since you would know the people and be able to establish relationships week over week.

 

[RedViper]

I'm seriously grateful they are making this move right now when I've just received my invoice, just got my tax return, and in the past have always fallen into the trap of renewing. For the first time since 1992 I won't be a season ticket holder and I feel pretty good about it.

The Flagstaff thing just hammers it home, but I wasn't going to renew anyway. This team will be living on the crumbs that fall off the table SF and Seattle will be feasting at for the foreseeable future. I don't see any real chance of success anytime soon. I'm not willing to spend so much time and money on something that is a completely negative and miserable experience. Enough is enough.

 

[Redheart]

I'm seriously grateful they are making this move right now when I've just received my invoice, just got my tax return, and in the past have always fallen into the trap of renewing. For the first time since 1992 I won't be a season ticket holder and I feel pretty good about it.

The Flagstaff thing just hammers it home, but I wasn't going to renew anyway. This team will be living on the crumbs that fall off the table SF and Seattle will be feasting at for the foreseeable future. I don't see any real chance of success anytime soon. I'm not willing to spend so much time and money on something that is a completely negative and miserable experience. Enough is enough.

+1.

 

[Solar7]

As to the question of where I sit, I was in Section 218, which is in the club section. I know it's more understandable that club seats are going to attract an older crowd less inclined to stand, but I had never had anyone even politely ask me to sit over the six years I was there.

S.A.F.E. really drove it home when they started ejecting other people in the crowd that complained I was kicked out. They did remove the offending staffers from the club section (and possibly fired them, but that couldn't be confirmed to me), but it's still a hard pill to swallow for the price.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No one has experienced it yet. No one even knows the set up for it yet. No one has a clue what the fan experience will be yet. Yet I have seen more then one person say the fan experience will be worse. I am confused, do you guys know something I don't yet.

I have been to many different teams camps. Falcons and Chargers being a few of them. Both have it at their team facilities and both have had just as good or in some cases better fan interaction then the Cards do in Flagstaff.

30 degrees in the better.

Even if the practices are inside UoP air conditioning, it is downright miserable trying to commute in the middle of August on a hour plus car ride with leather seats to the stadium.

There is nothing that the Cards could do that could compete with Flagstaff weather in August. NOTHING.

 

[Duckjake]

We are in 125 down on Row 4. The closer to the field, the more the scalpers.

Every week it is a different set of opposing fans all around us.

It's been that way for as long as I can remember. And I came out to Arizona for the first time in 1989. I sat in the upper deck east side for a Giants game. 50 yard line seats. The place was packed. But the nearest Cardinal fan was in Prescott.