Mccown A Keeper??

[PACardsFan]

I finally convinced myself to watch a replay of last week's debacle. I came away somewhat impressed with McCown. He's athletic, elusive, & most importantly, has a quick release. He throws a tight spiral that seems easy to catch. One downside is that he sometimes throws sidearmed. I was impressed with his ability to escape pressure. It was good to see him play for an extended stretch of time. I could REALLY see him as the starter in 2 years. Does anyone agree??

 

[SeattleCard]

Don't know if I agree. He showed a few things, did a nice job avoiding a tackle, but I certainly am not calling for Blake to hit the bench.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If McCown is our starter in two years then this team is still going nowhere.

 

[AndyO]

McCown needs work, I'd just rather see him get it somewhere else rather than in Cardinals red on NFL Sunday's. Is NFL Europe still on track for next summer? I'd heard a report that the NFL was going to deep six the league, which would be a shame . Guys like McCown need NFLE. Why we didn't send him this past spring is beyond me.

 

[Stout]

I'm of two minds concerning McCown.

One is that he's done nothing, shown little and is likely not an NFL QB.

The other is that he showed some signs of good things in the last game, and might be one of those slow, developmental QBs. Like Chad Pennington.

Unfortunately, the only way we'll know is to play him.

 

[conraddobler]

Originally posted by Stout
I'm of two minds concerning McCown.

One is that he's done nothing, shown little and is likely not an NFL QB.

The other is that he showed some signs of good things in the last game, and might be one of those slow, developmental QBs. Like Chad Pennington.

Unfortunately, the only way we'll know is to play him.

Goin a little Sybil are ya there Stout

Yeah I agree with ya it's hard to say really he has the physical skill but you can't know about the mental part until 6 years.... errrr sorry wrong QB....

 

[Snakester]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
I finally convinced myself to watch a replay of last week's debacle. I came away somewhat impressed with McCown. He's athletic, elusive, & most importantly, has a quick release. He throws a tight spiral that seems easy to catch. One downside is that he sometimes throws sidearmed. I was impressed with his ability to escape pressure. It was good to see him play for an extended stretch of time. I could REALLY see him as the starter in 2 years. Does anyone agree??

I agree with everything you said. McCown does need to work on his long passes. He threw well short to medium but he was to long on his deep passes. He did have a few passes that he tried to force and we all know how they turned out but I thought he did a lot better than I expected him to.

I would like to see him a lot more this year. Even if it means splitting time with Blake. I like what I have seen so far.

 

[pinnacle]

I have stated in a previous thread..but mccown may be the 2nd fastest qb (40 yard time) in the NFL behind Vick..there are others who may have been a little faster - but they are alot older and have been injured (or gained weight). I thought on sunday we should have ran a couple of bootlegs and qb draws to get the defense off guard..

 

[Reddog]

Career back-up!

 

[CardinalMike]

The play he ducked out of no less then 3 potential sacks was probably the most incredible incomplete pass I have ever witnessed. Reminded me alot of Jake with that play(except Jake completes that pass), of course the INT he threw in the endzone reminded me of Jake as well. I don't think he is the QB of our future but I'm not sure anyone outside of the coaching staff has seen enough of him to know that for sure.

Cardinal Mike!!

 

[RonF]

It's way too early to determine whether McCowan is a great qb or not. It will take a couple more years to determine that. And with the number of fumbles and drops that this team has gone through in the past two weeks, I'm not sure that Unitas in his prime could have done much better.

 

[Northern Card]

His footwork in three and five step drops is cumbersome, to say the least. Get that under control and a lot of good things could follow...

 

[BIGDADDY_REDBIRD]

After watching Quincy Carter monday night, I'm convinved that anyone with proper coaching can become more than adequate in the league. Under Parcells he's more confident, & appears to be in control of everything on the field. I was very impressed with his development, from just last year. If Mc Cown gets the benefits of some great coaching, I think he could be the QB of the Future, I was impressed with his play Sunday, he certainly has the arm to play in this league..

 

[JeffGollin]

Here's how I view McCown.

- "1" is a Blue Chip Starter

- "2" is an Everyday NFL Starter

- "3" is a Journeyman NFL Starter

- "4" is a Capable NFL Backup Who Can Step in and Win

- McCown right now is somewhere around #7 OR #8 and on the move toward toward #4 - but he still has a way to go.

- "10 is a Raw Rookie With an Upside

 

[Tangodnzr]

What I find amazing/amusing is that Blake goes down for the good part of a game, McCown comes in, plays 3 quarters.....displays great improvement...yet still makes some inexperienced mistakes.....

The result:

People are saying he's either a bust or discussing whether he should replace Blake.

Holy overreactions Batman.

The kid has been green as grass. He finally got some extended game playing time. I find it absolutely incredible that some would expect him to play like an experienced veteran the first game he ever gets any substantial playing time.

Amazing, simply amazing.

 

[Stout]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
What I find amazing/amusing is that Blake goes down for the good part of a game, McCown comes in, plays 3 quarters.....displays great improvement...yet still makes some inexperienced mistakes.....

The result:

People are saying he's either a bust or discussing whether he should replace Blake.

Holy overreactions Batman.

The kid has been green as grass. He finally got some extended game playing time. I find it absolutely incredible that some would expect him to play like an experienced veteran the first game he ever gets any substantial playing time.

Amazing, simply amazing.

Inaccurate, simply inaccurate.

Holy misreadings Batman.

Of the preceding posts, I counted nine of them that were middle-of-the-road concerning McCown. Anywhere from if he gets the proper coaching he may be good to it's hard to say without him having more PT.

Of course, in some people's worlds, this means that everyone is either singing his praises or damning him to oblivion.

Wrong, simply wrong.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
What I find amazing/amusing is that Blake goes down for the good part of a game, McCown comes in, plays 3 quarters.....displays great improvement...yet still makes some inexperienced mistakes.....

The result:

People are saying he's either a bust or discussing whether he should replace Blake.

Holy overreactions Batman.

The kid has been green as grass. He finally got some extended game playing time. I find it absolutely incredible that some would expect him to play like an experienced veteran the first game he ever gets any substantial playing time.

Amazing, simply amazing.

I agree Tango. It's like they expected Marino or Elway in their prime or something. The big question everyone must ask is have they seen improvement from last year to this year. IMO, only the most jaded anti-McCown guy can say no because I sure have seen improvement. I mean, McCown played OK in his first outing where the ending was still very much up in the air.

Did he win the game? No. Did he lead the team to score(s)? No. All in all though, there was enough improvement to point at to believe he is on the right track.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34

Did he win the game? No. Did he lead the team to score(s)? No. All in all though, there was enough improvement to point at to believe he is on the right track.

Word !!!

...and it wasn't his mistakes that cost the game.

 

[danny l]

Is McCown an NFL starting QB? Obviously the answer right now is no, but he does display some skills as outlined previously in this thread. I tried to think who he reminds me of & it finally came to me. He is a whole lot like a former Cardinal , Neil Lomax. Big, strong armed,except faster and more maneuverable.
I remember when they started Lomax as a rookie and I thought" oh my God the season is ruined. We aregoing nowhere." Both things turned out to be true, but he got experience and may have been the best Cardinal QB ever if not for the degenerative hip problem.
I'm not saying that Josh is another Lomax. What I am saying is that if we lose another couple of games and are apparently the worst team in the NFL, let's find out if Josh is going to be the long term answer.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by danny l
I'm not saying that Josh is another Lomax. What I am saying is that if we lose another couple of games and are apparently the worst team in the NFL, let's find out if Josh is going to be the long term answer.

Danny:

After only two games, I haven't yet given up all hope for the season. That said, if the Cards are winless at the bye week (which they may well be), I wouldn't be opposed to using the week off to get McCown the majority of reps in practice, and give him at least one start. That should tell us something: two weeks of practice with the first string, knowing that he's going to start, and playing four quarters starting at 0-0. Then we might get some sense of what McCown can--or can't--do.

WC

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

McCown a keeper? Ask in one year. After two years in the league, he needs to start looking good, not like Griesen. If he looks like he does next year, we really start worrying about him. I still think Preston is better, but nobody really sees it because he's an NAU product.

 

[danny l]

My point exactly Wild Card. There is nothing that I would love more than to see us reverse current direction this team has taken. But I beleive all of us can agree that Blake is not going to be the long term solution to our QB situation. So if our losing ways continue, we had better give Josh a good look see to determine if he is the lomg term answer.

 

[Assface]

I like what Detroit did with McMahon 2 years ago where they put him in for a series here and there. We should do that with McCown, give him a little bit of PT each game. This way Josh gets valuable playing time without having to bench Blake. One way or another at the end of the year we need to know what he is capable of. He doesn't have to be great by the end of December but we need to see what kind of progress he's making. His developement should dictate how we address our needs at QB, DL and CB this coming offseason. QB is too important of a position to wait another 6 years to see if someone is a qualitly starter.

Parsons sounds like he is more prepared mentally but I doubt he will get much attention because he doesn't have the physical ability and potential McCown does.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

I'm kinda sick about the whole "athletic QB" approach everyone has been sucked into since McNabb or Vick have arrived. An athletic QB means NOTHING if he can't make good decisions. Brad Johnson has the athletism of a stump, but he's a great QB. Warner wasn't that athletic. Elway was a slow, slow man. We need a QB who can get the ball from point A to point B. That's it. That's why Preston is better than McCown.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Floridacard
I like what Detroit did with McMahon 2 years ago where they put him in for a series here and there. We should do that with McCown, give him a little bit of PT each game. This way Josh gets valuable playing time without having to bench Blake. One way or another at the end of the year we need to know what he is capable of. He doesn't have to be great by the end of December but we need to see what kind of progress he's making. His developement should dictate how we address our needs at QB, DL and CB this coming offseason. QB is too important of a position to wait another 6 years to see if someone is a qualitly starter.

Parsons sounds like he is more prepared mentally but I doubt he will get much attention because he doesn't have the physical ability and potential McCown does.

Bingo, the smartest thing the Lions have done in years is play McMahon enough as a rookie to discover he wasn't anywhere near ready to be an NFL starting QB and might never be. They were accused of reaching for Harrington but they knew they couldn't rely on McMahon.

If we'd have done the same thing last year, we might have drafted Leftwich. I and several others on the board specifically used McMahon as an example of why we should be playing McCown in the 2nd half of the season.

If we are dead in the water by then I agree. Don't do it now that's almost throwing games, but if we're out of contention by the 8th game by all means give Josh time every week.