McCown...

[Krangodnzr]

He sounds so much more confident now (interview on KDUS). When I heard him early on, I thought he sounded stupid, but he sounds pretty intelligent now.

I actually hope that we don't draft a QB. I would love to see McCown get an opportunity next season.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
He sounds so much more confident now (interview on KDUS). When I heard him early on, I thought he sounded stupid, but he sounds pretty intelligent now.

I actually hope that we don't draft a QB. I would love to see McCown get an opportunity next season. [/QUOTE

Ditto.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

The other night I heard both Josh and Quan on ESPN radio. They were having a blast talking with the host. They were joking about Quan reverting back to quarterback like he was earlier in his playing days and asked Josh if he could be a wide receiver. He said he likely could, but both players agreed they like their roles just like they are now.

Go Cards!!! Go McCown!!!

 

[Redheart]

The Vikes Game...

...was a good evaluation, as far as I am concerned, of McCown.

The Vikes were playing for a play-off spot.

Josh was playing to win knowing that a win would probably keep the Cardinals from having a shot at either Eli or Ben.

My opinion of Josh really grew that game. It was for the marbles and he walked off the field with his pockets full.

 

[mdamien13]

I still would like to draft a QB, just not until rounds 2-3. We'll have supplemental picks, let's use one on a developmental project (which let's face it, all QB's in the draft are anyway). McCown is a scrapper and will get better with a training camp as a starter.

 

[earthsci]

That's why I don't want to trade up at all. I do think that we should draft Eli or Ben if they are there but, if they aren't we aren't screwed. Blake, McCown and Ben in camp. We would be set at QB for years to come. I can think of a few other guys worthy of a third pick that would look good in a Cards uniform too. Roy Williams, Sean Taylor,etc.

 

[PACardsFan]

From listening to Green today, he won't put all his eggs in one basket at ANY position. He will draft the BEST available player, which leads me to believe that if Eli or Ben are available he will draft them, especially since he mentioned them by name. If they are both gone, he'll probably draft Sean Taylor out of Miami. I really don't see him trading down, as he wants as much great talent ASAP.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
From listening to Green today, he won't put all his eggs in one basket at ANY position. He will draft the BEST available player, which leads me to believe that if Eli or Ben are available he will draft them, especially since he mentioned them by name. If they are both gone, he'll probably draft Sean Taylor out of Miami. I really don't see him trading down, as he wants as much great talent ASAP.

With the best player (athlete) available model, you wouldn't draft Eli or Ben.

You would draft Sean Taylor or one of the "athletes" The only time that I can think of, where a QB was the "best player available was Michael Vick.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by earthsci
That's why I don't want to trade up at all. I do think that we should draft Eli or Ben if they are there but, if they aren't we aren't screwed. Blake, McCown and Ben in camp. We would be set at QB for years to come. I can think of a few other guys worthy of a third pick that would look good in a Cards uniform too. Roy Williams, Sean Taylor,etc.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
With the best player (athlete) available model, you wouldn't draft Eli or Ben.

You would draft Sean Taylor or one of the "athletes" The only time that I can think of, where a QB was the "best player available was Michael Vick.

Denny also said he would look at each postion and didn't disagree with Michael when he said QB was the most important position on the team.

Is their anyone out there who would draft Sean Taylor and pass on Big Ben or Eli?

If you say yes your name won't be Denny Green.

He's smarter than that.

 

[kerouac9]

Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
Is their anyone out there who would draft Sean Taylor and pass on Big Ben or Eli?

At #3? I would be really temped to take Sean Taylor over Ben. I think that Ben has a lot of questionmarks about him: He hasn't been playing QB that long, he played in a small school in a conference without defenses, he sort of came on all of a sudden. His size is for real, but those ARE question marks.

Even someone like Roy Williams, if injury fears are allayed and everything, should he run a double-take-causing 40-time, I MIGHT even be tempted to take him, just based on the "best available athelete" criterion.

I do truly believe that there is no single player in this draft better than Eli Manning, but I think that you could make an argument for or against Ben just like you could about Joey Harrington the year he came out.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

P.S.

Before you jump on my arse for backing Big Ben and/or Eli.....Denny said he was pretty sure that both would be pro bowlers.

Can you pass on a sure pro bowler for a supposed pro bowler?

 

[CaptTurbo]

Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
Denny also said he would look at each postion and didn't disagree with Michael when he said QB was the most important position on the team.

Is their anyone out there who would draft Sean Taylor and pass on Big Ben or Eli?

If you say yes your name won't be Denny Green.

He's smarter than that.

Im tempted to take a guy like taylor but how much does that position change the game?

The Roy Williams on the cowboys is great. But he doesnt change the game on his own. Know what I mean.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Oops

Not quick enough.

Green mentioned Big Ben and Eli in the same breath.

He didn't have to.

he could have said just Eli and could have left Ben's name completely out of the discussion.

Many of you would have left his (Ben's) name out.

The point is Denny didn't.

 

[PACardsFan]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
With the best player (athlete) available model, you wouldn't draft Eli or Ben.

You would draft Sean Taylor or one of the "athletes" The only time that I can think of, where a QB was the "best player available was Michael Vick.

Best player DOESN't necessarily equate to the best athlete. Green did not day he would hire the best athlete, he said he would hire the best player. Peyton Manning wasn't the best athlete of the draft, but he was the best PLAYER. Eli is the best PLAYER in the draft. If he's there, I'll be shocked if Green doesn't draft him.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
Eli is the best PLAYER in the draft.

Well now that's debatable!

 

[Russ Smith]

Re: Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by kerouac9

Even someone like Roy Williams, if injury fears are allayed and everything, should he run a double-take-causing 40-time, I MIGHT even be tempted to take him, just based on the "best available athelete" criterion.

I do truly believe that there is no single player in this draft better than Eli Manning, but I think that you could make an argument for or against Ben just like you could about Joey Harrington the year he came out.

I would be surprised if 40 times hold back Roy unless he's injured, he ran a 4.42 at Texas according to his bio on their webpage. He's so tall and long legged it doesn't look like he's as fast as he is.

I personally think Taylor is the best player in the draft, but the argument is that QB is the most important position on the field so a 10 safety might not be more valuable than a 9 or 8 QB.

I would be hesitant to pass on either Eli or Ben if they're there for any player other than Sean Taylor who I think will be the best safety in football in the not too distant future.

 

[slanidrac16]

The way I see it.....

we will not trade up. If Eli or Ben are there at #3 we will take them. They would sit for 1 year , just like Culpepper did. I think Blake will get every opportunity to be the starter, but I think it the starting job will be open and the best man will start. Remember that just about every qb that has played for Green has had career years.
I think major help for the defense will come by way of free agency. Unlike years in the past, FA players might settle for a fair market value for the opportunity to play for Green and his system rather than use us for leverage or only be willing to come here if overpaid.
I do know this for sure....if Dennis Green has anywhere near the sucess he has enjoyed in the past , we'll be renaming the Grand Canyon after him!

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

?

"if Dennis Green has anywhere near the sucess he has enjoyed in the past , we'll be renaming the Grand Canyon after him!"


Denny Canyon

Green Canyon

Doesn't seem to have a ring to it.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Re: Re: Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by Russ Smith

I would be hesitant to pass on either Eli or Ben if they're there for any player other than Sean Taylor who I think will be the best safety in football in the not too distant future.

Man I wish I shared that enthusiasim for a player. I think Taylor is a great great player but he alone cant turn this team around.

Drafting Manning might!

Think how much closer the offense is than the defense. I truly beleive if Green can get this O-line to play better than avergae and the Cards get a vetern WR to compliment Quan, then this team could have a very good offense.

I still dont buy that McCown is it. What happened? All of a sudden it just started clicking for him? Possibly but I am skeptical.

When QB's come into a no lose situation it is much easier for them to excel than when they are carryng the team on their shoulders. Pressure on a QB can be a B$#@H!

I think MCown deserves a shot on the roster but by no means should the Cards pass on Eli or Ben in hopes that McCown is the guy!

 

[slanidrac16]

Re: ?

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
"if Dennis Green has anywhere near the sucess he has enjoyed in the past , we'll be renaming the Grand Canyon after him!"


Denny Canyon

Green Canyon

Doesn't seem to have a ring to it.

If we are in the playoffs next year, it would have a great ring to it!!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK


I still dont buy that McCown is it. What happened? All of a sudden it just started clicking for him? Possibly but I am skeptical.

When QB's come into a no lose situation it is much easier for them to excel than when they are carryng the team on their shoulders. Pressure on a QB can be a B$#@H!

I think MCown deserves a shot on the roster but by no means should the Cards pass on Eli or Ben in hopes that McCown is the guy!

But that's generally how it does happen; it just starts clicking.

Watching McCown start his first game, it was quite apparent that he was almost a different player than his first few chances at playing time. He settled down a lot, and seemed to think much quicker.

We've seen improvement in McCown's play, it was quite evident. And he has shown that he can improve, which is a big question mark for any young player. To be honest, he still has a long way to go before I would want him as a starter, but he showed that he is on the right path.

If McCown could step in a be the player that he can be, IMO he could be better than Manning. Physically speaking, he is superior to Manning in every way. Ben R. might have a stronger arm, but no way is he faster than McCown.

My fantasy would be to draft Kevin Jones. RB is IMO, the most important piece of the offensive puzzle. Sure Shipp is a solid starter, but he isn't a superstar. Kevin Jones has the ability to be a superstar in this league.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by Krangthebrain

My fantasy would be to draft Kevin Jones. RB is IMO, the most important piece of the offensive puzzle. Sure Shipp is a solid starter, but he isn't a superstar. Kevin Jones has the ability to be a superstar in this league.

This is absolutely the worst idea in the world. Not the best athelete in the draft and may not even be the best rb on the roster. So its not a need or best athlete.

Isnt this what everone said about THOMAS JONES btw?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by swd1974
This is absolutely the worst idea in the world. Not the best athelete in the draft and may not even be the best rb on the roster. So its not a need or best athlete.

Isnt this what everone said about THOMAS JONES btw?

I wasn't a fan of TJ. My brother (Redrage) and I, like Jamal Lewis the best, followed by Shaun Alexander (SEC backs are the best).

And how isn't he not one of the top athletes? He runs a frickin' 4.3 40 at around 220 lbs. Did you watch him at all this year or in his previous years? The guy is going to be an impact player in this league.

(And he's a Pennsylvania guy too. )

 

[Shane]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Eli or Big Ben

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I wasn't a fan of TJ. My brother (Redrage) and I, like Jamal Lewis the best, followed by Shaun Alexander (SEC backs are the best).

And how isn't he not one of the top athletes? He runs a frickin' 4.3 40 at around 220 lbs. Did you watch him at all this year or in his previous years? The guy is going to be an impact player in this league.

(And he's a Pennsylvania guy too. )

Thats been said about many RBs.

Its a position with very high bust potential!