MCU: Black Panther

[Brian in Mesa]

Black Panther

Release date: February 16, 2018
Studio: Walt Disney Pictures, Marvel Studios
Director: Ryan Coogler
MPAA Rating: PG-13 (for prolonged sequences of action violence, and a brief rude gesture)
Screenwriters: Ryan Coogler, Joe Robert Cole
Genre: Action
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Starring: Chadwick Boseman, Michael B. Jordan, Lupita Nyong'o, Danai Gurira, Martin Freeman, Daniel Kaluuya, Letitia Wright, Winston Duke, Angela Bassett, Forest Whitaker, Andy Serkis

Plot Summary: Marvel Studios' "Black Panther" follows T'Challa who, after the death of his father, the King of Wakanda, returns home to the isolated, technologically advanced African nation to succeed to the throne and take his rightful place as king. But when a powerful old enemy reappears, T'Challa's mettle as king—and Black Panther—is tested when he is drawn into a formidable conflict that puts the fate of Wakanda and the entire world at risk. Faced with treachery and danger, the young king must rally his allies and release the full power of Black Panther to defeat his foes and secure the safety of his people and their way of life.

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[Shaggy]

Just effin' amazing. On ALL levels. The ONLY nitpick I found was the nittiest of picks, and that just because the friend I saw it with was too dumbfounded at my NOT having any complaints.

Simple Marvelous.

What was the nitpick? It was great but not amazing. To me it was similar to the first captain America movie, just introduction movie to let the world know how he is. Was more about where he came from and who he is and less about a major issue/villain. That's fine be me as it needed show who he was. Look forward to the next ones in a few years.

 

[Covert Rain]

What was the nitpick? It was great but not amazing. To me it was similar to the first captain America movie, just introduction movie to let the world know how he is. Was more about where he came from and who he is and less about a major issue/villain. That's fine be me as it needed show who he was. Look forward to the next ones in a few years.

I am sitting in the theater as I type this. How can something be great but not amazing. I don’t call something great unless it’s amazing. [emoji3]

Taking my two older kids!

 

[Shaggy]

I am sitting in the theater as I type this. How can something be great but not amazing. I don’t call something great unless it’s amazing. [emoji3]

Taking my two older kids!

Great and amazing to me or on totally different levels.

 

[Chaplin]

It was pretty good. Not amazing, but I had high expectations that weren't completely met. I got the same feeling after the movie that I had after, say, Guardians of the Galaxy.

Some really good stuff in there, including the villain (nice surprise, although MBJ is a fantastic actor) and the female leads. Both were spectacular, especially Danai Guira from Walking Dead. She stole every scene she was in and was a total bad ass. The world-building and character stuff was spot on, but the final battle between Black Panther and Killmonger was confusing and not very exciting. Luckily the rest of the battle with the other characters was much better.

I'm frankly a little flabbergasted that Stout thinks this is "effin amazing".

 

[Cheesebeef]

It was pretty good. Not amazing, but I had high expectations that weren't completely met. I got the same feeling after the movie that I had after, say, Guardians of the Galaxy.

Some really good stuff in there, including the villain (nice surprise, although MBJ is a fantastic actor) and the female leads. Both were spectacular, especially Danai Guira from Walking Dead. She stole every scene she was in and was a total bad ass. The world-building and character stuff was spot on, but the final battle between Black Panther and Killmonger was confusing and not very exciting. Luckily the rest of the battle with the other characters was much better.

I'm frankly a little flabbergasted that Stout thinks this is "effin amazing".

My expectations were too high.

I too thought it was really solid, but more on the level of the first Captain America and not close to the first Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Civil War or Avengers.

Good villain (but not enough of) solid storyline. Michonne was great. So was Black Panther’s sister. I guess my biggest gripe was Black Panther... himself. And he was solid, but there just seemed to be something missing to make him standout ala Stark, Wonder Woman, Cap as he got older in Winter Soldier, Bruce Wayne in the Nolan films.

To be honest, I don’t think it even reached the level of Wonder Woman.

 

[Covert Rain]

Very good but just short of great. Not enough of Claw and not enough of Kill Monger. Also, this movie again violated the cardinal sin of action. Some of the fight scenes were filmed way to close. Also, agree the last fight was sort of anti-climatic. Loved the characters, battles and lots of the other stuff. I want to see it again just to see things I might have missed.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Very good but just short of great. Not enough of Claw and not enough of Kill Monger. Also, this movie again violated the cardinal sin of action. Some of the fight scenes were filmed way to close. Also, agree the last fight was sort of anti-climatic. Loved the characters, battles and lots of the other stuff. I want to see it again just to see things I might have missed.

agree on the too close to action thing. Felt like Coogler went the Nolan route in Batman Begins where in one of the first fight scenes (in the casino) it was just too tight and didn't let the action really play out in front of me.

Also, I'm almost positive I know what @Stout nitpick was... a "The Eagles are coming!" moment? Or the second act break schmuckbait?

 

[Chaplin]

agree on the too close to action thing. Felt like Coogler went the Nolan route in Batman Begins where in one of the first fight scenes (in the casino) it was just too tight and didn't let the action really play out in front of me.

I got the feeling that he wanted to shoot it like he shot the fights in Creed, and that was probably the wrong way to go with guys using super powers and weapons.

 

[Stout]

It was pretty good. Not amazing, but I had high expectations that weren't completely met. I got the same feeling after the movie that I had after, say, Guardians of the Galaxy.

Some really good stuff in there, including the villain (nice surprise, although MBJ is a fantastic actor) and the female leads. Both were spectacular, especially Danai Guira from Walking Dead. She stole every scene she was in and was a total bad ass. The world-building and character stuff was spot on, but the final battle between Black Panther and Killmonger was confusing and not very exciting. Luckily the rest of the battle with the other characters was much better.

I'm frankly a little flabbergasted that Stout thinks this is "effin amazing".

You didn't think Guardians lived up to expectations? Dear lord, do we have different taste!

I can understand if everyone wasn't blown away by this film, but I was.

Not only was this film well-crafted on every level, from writing to acting to musical composition to cinematography, but it was chock full of on-point social commentary. I enjoyed Antman more because of all the laughs, but found this a much better movie. Top 6 or 7 for a Marvel flick. I'll put the social commentary notes in the spoilers, along with the nit pick.

Spoiler

Man, this hit some social buttons. Tackled black-on-black crime, immigration from a reverse viewpoint, responsibility of the upper classes to the oppressed, and more. Just a magnificent film, for me.

The nit pick was that, only in one brief moment does the royal guard look at the tribal guy and call him 'my love', and we're just supposed to run with that. Like I said, the nittiest of picks. Since then, I've seen it again, and some of the CGI wasn't so great, and the fight by the train was kind of meh, but the second one wasn't a deal breaker at all. It highlighted everything else that was going on, which undermined the whole lone hero ideal in a pleasant fashion.

 

[Stout]

agree on the too close to action thing. Felt like Coogler went the Nolan route in Batman Begins where in one of the first fight scenes (in the casino) it was just too tight and didn't let the action really play out in front of me.

Also, I'm almost positive I know what @Stout nitpick was... a "The Eagles are coming!" moment? Or the second act break schmuckbait?

Nope, I didn't mind it. They made it abundantly clear that it was going to happen, so I was okay with it. Love the coded reference to the moment, Cheese

 

[Cheesebeef]

You didn't think Guardians lived up to expectations? Dear lord, do we have different taste!

I can understand if everyone wasn't blown away by this film, but I was.

Not only was this film well-crafted on every level, from writing to acting to musical composition to cinematography, but it was chock full of on-point social commentary. I enjoyed Antman more because of all the laughs, but found this a much better movie. Top 6 or 7 for a Marvel flick. I'll put the social commentary notes in the spoilers, along with the nit pick.

Spoiler

Man, this hit some social buttons. Tackled black-on-black crime, immigration from a reverse viewpoint, responsibility of the upper classes to the oppressed, and more. Just a magnificent film, for me.

The nit pick was that, only in one brief moment does the royal guard look at the tribal guy and call him 'my love', and we're just supposed to run with that. Like I said, the nittiest of picks. Since then, I've seen it again, and some of the CGI wasn't so great, and the fight by the train was kind of meh, but the second one wasn't a deal breaker at all. It highlighted everything else that was going on, which undermined the whole lone hero ideal in a pleasant fashion.

I thought ALL the women characters were GREAT. But there was one death that left ZERO impact on me that should have packed a wallop and I just didn’t quite LOVE Panther. Part of me wonders if Jordan would have been better.

Or maybe I’ll really dig into him when they don’t have to set up an origin-ish Story. It’s the same thing that kept Cap 1 from being great for me. Hoping Panther 2 elevates him the same way Winter Soldier did.

 

[Stout]

I thought ALL the women characters were GREAT. But there was one death that left ZERO impact on me that should have packed a wallop and I just didn’t quite LOVE Panther. Part of me wonders if Jordan would have been better.

Or maybe I’ll really dig into him when they don’t have to set up an origin-ish Story. It’s the same thing that kept Cap 1 from being great for me. Hoping Panther 2 elevates him the same way Winter Soldier did.

And the weird thing is my friends and I loved it because it wasn't a needless origin story. I didn't at all get the origin story feeling, and felt that that was already well established. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[oaken1]

I thought ALL the women characters were GREAT. But there was one death that left ZERO impact on me that should have packed a wallop and I just didn’t quite LOVE Panther. Part of me wonders if Jordan would have been better.

Or maybe I’ll really dig into him when they don’t have to set up an origin-ish Story. It’s the same thing that kept Cap 1 from being great for me. Hoping Panther 2 elevates him the same way Winter Soldier did.

IMO... more background was required. I was a comic book geek when I was a kid and rarely ever read black panther.

I was however very familiar with Cap...and I also found his origin movie just a bit dull... but others didnt...so familiarity likely plays a big role.

Denai is awesome,..she also kills it in "All eyez on me" the Tupac story...she plays his mother.

 

[cardncubfan]

IMO... more background was required. I was a comic book geek when I was a kid and rarely ever read black panther.

I was however very familiar with Cap...and I also found his origin movie just a bit dull... but others didnt...so familiarity likely plays a big role.

Denai is awesome,..she also kills it in "All eyez on me" the Tupac story...she plays his mother.

+1 on Tupac's mother.

 

[cardncubfan]

Since I haven't seen it I would like your opinions on this. One of my FB friends posted this comment on the movie ''Saw Black Panther yesterday. Special effects and focus on strong women was great. The ENORMOUS overtones how all white people deserve to die makes this the first MARVEL movie I can't recommend and will not buy.'' I responded that he must have read more into it than should be. His response was Killmonger wanted to kill everyone that wasn't black & said so in the movie. Thoughts?

 

[Chaplin]

Since I haven't seen it I would like your opinions on this. One of my FB friends posted this comment on the movie ''Saw Black Panther yesterday. Special effects and focus on strong women was great. The ENORMOUS overtones how all white people deserve to die makes this the first MARVEL movie I can't recommend and will not buy.'' I responded that he must have read more into it than should be. His response was Killmonger wanted to kill everyone that wasn't black & said so in the movie. Thoughts?

Not at all. Have NO IDEA where that came from. He had no problem killing other black people in the movie. I don't remember a moment where he said he wanted to kill everyone that wasn't black.

 

[Dback Jon]

Since I haven't seen it I would like your opinions on this. One of my FB friends posted this comment on the movie ''Saw Black Panther yesterday. Special effects and focus on strong women was great. The ENORMOUS overtones how all white people deserve to die makes this the first MARVEL movie I can't recommend and will not buy.'' I responded that he must have read more into it than should be. His response was Killmonger wanted to kill everyone that wasn't black & said so in the movie. Thoughts?

Isn't he the VILLIAN of the movie?

 

[Chaplin]

Isn't he the VILLIAN of the movie?

He was, but that's not the issue. The FB poster was implying that the film basically promotes black people killing white people. I didn't see that at all.

 

[Dback Jon]

He was, but that's not the issue. The FB poster was implying that the film basically promotes black people killing white people. I didn't see that at all.

Disclaimer: haven't seen it yet. But even if he did, as the Villian (who was presumably thwarted in his goals), how would that be racist or a movie endorsement?

That's like saying you won't buy a WWII movie because Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews.

 

[Covert Rain]

Since I haven't seen it I would like your opinions on this. One of my FB friends posted this comment on the movie ''Saw Black Panther yesterday. Special effects and focus on strong women was great. The ENORMOUS overtones how all white people deserve to die makes this the first MARVEL movie I can't recommend and will not buy.'' I responded that he must have read more into it than should be. His response was Killmonger wanted to kill everyone that wasn't black & said so in the movie. Thoughts?

Your Facebook friend is either misguided or has some deep seeded issues with people of color. One of the main characters and heroes was a White character from previous movies. They didn’t target white people. The plot was targeting all nations. Killmonger wanted the world to bend to him as revenge for what a Wakandan king who is African American did to his father.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Since I haven't seen it I would like your opinions on this. One of my FB friends posted this comment on the movie ''Saw Black Panther yesterday. Special effects and focus on strong women was great. The ENORMOUS overtones how all white people deserve to die makes this the first MARVEL movie I can't recommend and will not buy.'' I responded that he must have read more into it than should be. His response was Killmonger wanted to kill everyone that wasn't black & said so in the movie. Thoughts?

My thought is your friend has a boatload of White Guilt.

 

[cardncubfan]

He was, but that's not the issue. The FB poster was implying that the film basically promotes black people killing white people. I didn't see that at all.

This is the image people got from his post.

 

[cardncubfan]

He is a military man. Air Force I believe & I think works for civil service. He is a ginger so he has no soul so that could have something to do with it.

 

[cardncubfan]

Thank you all for the feedback. It is greatly appreciated.